Justin Amash JUST became the FIRST Republican congressman to call for Trump’s IMPEACHMENT!

Rep. Justin Amash of Michigan just tweeted out that Trump should be impeached – he’s the first Republican to do so.

He goes through a long twitter thread to explain that according to his reading of the Mueller report, he believes that Attorney General Barr DID indeed misrepresent the report, and did it in a very careful and willful manner.



I won’t post the tweets, as Twitter has made it absurdly laborious for me to do so, but I’ll post his text:

I offer these conclusions only after having read Mueller’s redacted report carefully and completely, having read or watched pertinent statements and testimony, and having discussed this matter with my staff, who thoroughly reviewed materials and provided me with further analysis.

In comparing Barr’s principal conclusions, congressional testimony, and other statements to Mueller’s report, it is clear that Barr intended to mislead the public about Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s analysis and findings.

Barr’s misrepresentations are significant but often subtle, frequently taking the form of sleight-of-hand qualifications or logical fallacies, which he hopes people will not notice.

Under our Constitution, the president “shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.” While “high Crimes and Misdemeanors” is not defined, the context implies conduct that violates the public trust.

Contrary to Barr’s portrayal, Mueller’s report reveals that President Trump engaged in specific actions and a pattern of behavior that meet the threshold for impeachment.

In fact, Mueller’s report identifies multiple examples of conduct satisfying all the elements of obstruction of justice, and undoubtedly any person who is not the president of the United States would be indicted based on such evidence.

Impeachment, which is a special form of indictment, does not even require probable cause that a crime (e.g., obstruction of justice) has been committed; it simply requires a finding that an official has engaged in careless, abusive, corrupt, or otherwise dishonorable conduct.

While impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary circumstances, the risk we face in an environment of extreme partisanship is not that Congress will employ it as a remedy too often but rather that Congress will employ it so rarely that it cannot deter misconduct.

Our system of checks and balances relies on each branch’s jealously guarding its powers and upholding its duties under our Constitution. When loyalty to a political party or to an individual trumps loyalty to the Constitution, the Rule of Law—the foundation of liberty—crumbles.

We’ve witnessed members of Congress from both parties shift their views 180 degrees—on the importance of character, on the principles of obstruction of justice—depending on whether they’re discussing Bill Clinton or Donald Trump.

Few members of Congress even read Mueller’s report; their minds were made up based on partisan affiliation—and it showed, with representatives and senators from both parties issuing definitive statements on the 448-page report’s conclusions within just hours of its release.

I see some people saying he’s a fraud and attacking him. I don’t think that’s the case. Amash has shown to act on principle and to say what he really believes. That doesn’t mean he’s right or wrong, but to simply attack his character is silly. Consider the argument, and argue against it, if you disagree.

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This sounds more personal that legal based. How does one obstruct by complaining the charges being investigated are meritless, when the budget isn’t cut, no one is fired even though the assembled investigation team is clearly biased and has blatant conflicts of interest, and the administration cooperates fully? The Mueller investigation was an incredibly shoddy piece of work for what it failed to investigate — the true crimes against the Trump campaign by gov’t insiders who wanted to torpedo his Presidency right out of the gate.

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He isn’t a fraud. He’s just a die hard, neo-libertarian. The neo-libertarians are open borders utopians who are so deluded about “minarchy” that they can’t see how that destroys property ownership and enables tribalism.

It’s nothing more than an attempt to turn leftism into benign communism.

It’s complete fantasy, but the true believers are unable to let go of the delusion.

For one thing, it enables them to be a momentary hero to the right on some fiscal issues, while winking at the left as they support the destruction of liberty.

It’s a much worse delusion than the power-hungry, Clinton style fantasies of Big Government solutions to everything. It’s worse because it’s every bit as sick as any totalitarian who ever justified slaughter as a public good. The only difference is that these neo-libertarians think that enabling anarchy would only lead to small-scale slaughter.

They are insane.

So yeah, that’s way past mere fraud.

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When I first heard of libertarianism I thought it was kinda cool but then as I learned more about it and more libertarians became vocal about what they believe I realized that they are little more than dressed up anarchists. The more extreme of them want no societal rules or laws whatsoever. Their version of liberty is nothing more than absolute barbaric chaos underpinned by a Darwinian “survival of the fittest” philosophy. You are correct in that it is just another form of totalitarianism hiding behind a thin veneer of pseudo-liberty.

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Avatarphilliesthoughts
Yep. The ones I identify as neo-libertarians came from the Ron Paul voter side of libertarianism. The old school LP folks used to talk about sovereignty a *lot*. It was crucial to the notion of smaller government. But the potheads got involved and dragged leftist ideas about religion, sex, and libertine lifestyles into it, and decided that sovereignty was just too right-wing or something.

The stupid thing is that back then, Ron Paul was not an open borders guy, and was also pro life. But he really drew in the crowds of potheads.

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That’s too bad. I mostly like Justin Amash although he’s had some troubling votes on immigration and supporting the transgender agenda.

Sticking his neck out to claim that Barr lied is just stupid, though. The whole notion that Barr would lie about a document he was pushing to release shortly anyway is ridiculous. Was he careful in his wording? You betcha. He had to be because the Democrats are looking for every excuse they can to take down this administration.

As far as impeachment, I assume that his complaints are around Trump’s behavior described in the second part of Mueller’s report. It’s really sad that anyone not a raving progressive would even give consideration to the second part of the Mueller report. If there was no Russian conspiracy, obstruction of justice wasn’t even really possible. Amash should know better.

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Is he really calling for impeachment though? Or is he just asserting that some of the things King Don have done are impeachable? Because I don’t disagree that he’s flirting with actions that are reasonably able considered impeachable (and for all you tribal cultists, you know damn well if he were wearing a blue jersey and doing this sh*t towards blue goals, you’d be screeching it at the top of your lungs). The last guy, and the guy before that, and the guy before that did some impeachable stuff too.

But should we impeach him? I wouldn’t have thought that healthy for the nation with Blue Prog Barack, and I don’t think it’s healthy for the nation with Red Prog Don.

But they’ve both done absolutely impeachable things.

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Lord, this guy is a flipping BUFOON.

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Amash didn’t cite specific examples and quotes from the Report to show why he thinks Barr is deceptive.

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Good point! I have yet to see anyone citing specific examples of anything Trump did which would be considered “impeachable.” The lefties in Congress are really good at running their mouths about impeaching Trump, but when you try to pin them down they have nothing to back up their position.

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I have yet to see anyone citing specific examples of anything Trump did which would be considered “impeachable.”

NEA.

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Sorry, I don’t know what NEA means.

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When Donald wanted to take a specific course of action, and Congress explicitly said no to that specific course, invoking the NEA to do it anyway.

Totally impeachable. It may have been technically legal, and it may serve an important goal – but that doesn’t make it any less impeachable conduct.

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Now that I know what you’re referring to by the NEA, how is it impeachable to invoke that? Several other Presidents have done the same thing and there was never any talk of impeachment.

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They didn’t do it in direct response to being kept in check by Congress.

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Trump vetoed the bill which would have prevented him from using his executive power, therefore he was acting within his limits.

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I think you’d better go back and look at the procedural history.

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“Consider the argument, and argue against it, if you disagree.”

I’d love to. Unfortunately, he never presented one.

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Welcome to the new guest panelist on MSNBC’s “Morning Schmoe”.

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Where was Amash on the politically motivated witch hunt based on a campaign of espionage begun over a work of fiction in order to essentially effect a coup?

Nowhere, as far as I can tell. So, he can shove his talk about principles, when it’s obvious where the Constitutional conservative or libertarian should be on this coup.

Amash’s TDS has made an idiot out of him. And a useful one for the democrats.

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Guess what amash? On your next election you will be FIRED!!!

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Unless he comes from a district as TDS as he is.

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He is entitled to his opinion. Was his opinion that Obama should be impeached too? Because nothing Trump has done, as yet, comes close to what Obama did.

And will we now have some fools screaming about impeachment every time they aren’t happy about the results of an election? IMO – yes we will.

Impeachment is supposed to be only under extraordinary circumstances. IMO other than the extraordinary exhibition of a left gone nuts it’s all just nonsense and even calling for impeachment isn’t justified.

And Amash is, IMO, just wrong.

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He’s not just wrong, but this reeks of opportunism. The report has been out for a month now, with the details of it being known in mere days, if not hours. It seriously took this “man of principle” a month to discover certain parts of it which he doesn’t mention are impeachable offenses?

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If Barr didn’t represent Mueller’s report correctly why isn’t Mueller saying so? Did he pass that job onto Amash?

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lol lol

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What a worthless hack! Where were you when obama, holder, and Clinton were actually obstructing justice? Another hack liberal in the republican party. Vote this crap out Michigan!

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"I see some people saying he’s a fraud and attacking him. I don’t think that’s the case. Amash has shown to act on principle and to say what he really believes. That doesn’t mean he’s right or wrong, but to simply attack his character is silly. Consider the argument, and argue against it, if you disagree." With all due respect, the guy doesn’t even present an “argument”. It’s pure opinion! And he does the exact same thing he accuses Barr of. Notice not a single quote from Mueller report or Barr Summary in his opinion? He just paints for us a picture and since as he admits, most people haven’t read the report, he figures we can’t argue against him. And he compares Clinton with Trump, but fails to mention a few major distinctions. 1) Clinton committed crimes and obstructed to hide them. Trump NEVER committed any crime or collusion,… Read more »

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Agreed. Good points.

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Amash is specific in pointing out that there need not be actual “crimes” to impeach.

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the guy doesn’t even present an “argument” It’s pure opinion.

It’s TWITTER, for crying out loud!!! How much detail do you expect???

This is what drives me crazy on Twitter: the degree to which some want to elevate its importance.

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How do you square his desire to impeach because of personality defects and “impeachment should be undertaken only in extraordinary circumstances”? Or was he under the influence of something while tweeting?

Re: lack of argument, I’m responding primarily to soop who says we shouldn’t attach the guy, but address his argument. Well, there is no argument to address! Plus, if he can tweet much non-sense, he should be able to give us at least a small example to backup his opinion.

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I don’t believe that argument should take place on Twitter. And the fact that many people expect it to, is disturbing.

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Glenn Reynolds wrote a very good piece, IMO, about Twitter:

Twitter is a virus of the mind
https://spectator.us/twitter-virus-mind/

Or maybe I just think it’s a very good piece because I agree with every word.

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I also agree with it.

It lends itself to rash judgment and knee-jerk reactions, rather than intellectual discussion.

And I find the degree to which policy matters are discussed and announced, led by the president, appalling.

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Well said but you may want to be careful on this site calling out anything the authors pen.

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The authors here are pretty good with tolerating disagreements

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That may be true but too many of the “loyal” posters are not. One reason this site is no longer a good source for conservative opinion for me. If one disagrees with a Right Scoop “author” you are attacked for being a liberal and worse. It’s happened to me and others.

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Avatarhumansrus Disagree with the authors all you like. It happens all the time. I’ve done it lots of times and gotten into it with SooperMexican.

Are you expecting that everyone will agree with you? Are you expecting to not get push-back on some of your opinions?

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Avatarhumansrus, I haven’t run across that here, but I certainly have at Trumpstate…..oops,….I mean Redstate!

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I’ve done it often. And I’ve been stomped a little by other commenters – usually anti-Trump sycophants. But I’m a big girl and can take a little argumentation now and then.

I’ve been called a Trump-Humper and a Trump-Hater among other things. What I am is a woman who has opinions of her own and doesn’t much care if others agree.

And when I’m not in the mood for arguing – I leave.

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AvatarKenoshamarge Yeah, whining about the other commenters, mods, and site runners is always a lame look. If I decided one day that I didn’t like it here, I would just shut up and go elsewhere.

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Seems the adult thing to do.

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Horse s#@t.

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Your response sort of proves what I’m saying. Also, all my comments, and the responses, are easily found and also prove my point.

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Avatarhumansrus Ryan-o is a longtime poster here. He has a pretty good feel for the environment and the kind of commenters present. He simply doesn’t believe your complaint is justified.

And no, we’re not going to go through your comment history in order to figure out where your feelings got hurt.

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1) I don’t get my feelings hurt by people I don’t even know. 2) Not asking you or any of your co “right scoopers” to go through my comment history because I can easily go through it to prove my point. I hope people aren’t allowed to go through other people’s posting history but this is such a select group of people who knows.

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Avatarhumansrus Your response shows that you can’t handle disagreement.

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I don’t consider profanity as disagreeing.

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Avatarhumansrus It’s difficult to communicate when you insist on your own language rules. Being overly sensitive while refusing to consider the responses to your comments is the very definitiin of being stuck in a bubble.

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Who are you? This is absurd and petty. I already deleted this site from my favorites. There are other sites I can get my Conservative commentary and opinion.

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Ah. A drive by insulter. Figures.

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In search of an echo chamber perhaps? question

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No one has ever been banned from this site over disagreement.

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Where, in this screed posted on Twitter, does Amash make the case that there were misrepresentations made by Barr? From what I’ve read here, I see no case, just saying that there were misrepresentations. If you’re going to make the case for impeachment, you should be rock solid. I would expect that from someone that calls themselves a libertarian.

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Justin Amash is a NeverTrumper and so is SooperMexican.

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You leave SooperMexican alone man! haha I’ve been a fan of his for a hot minute. He’s good people from what I can tell. Really glad that Scoop brought him on the site, personally.

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Agree on both.

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I have learned that China’s Consul General visited Amash’s office. Hmm.

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After his visit to SooperMexican most likely.

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I generally like Libertarianism, but find I increasingly dislike Libertarians. They’re lax at enforcing their “principles” when it comes to their political enemies and extremely overzealous when it comes to enforcing upon their allies.

They’re either manipulated by the Left to be that way or they’re dishonest about what they really stand for.

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Yes, Libertarians are quite annoying even though I do have sympathies with Libertarianism. Its just not ever going to be a working philosophy for the same reason Communism fails – it ignores human nature.

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Maybe the first Republican but not the first muslim.

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His parents are of arab decent, but he’s supposedly Christian. But Michigan has a huge Muslim population, so I don’t doubt a large number of his constituents are anti-Trump Muslims.

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I suspect there are quite a few Muslims infiltrating different groups in America that are representative of our culture like political parties, churches, NGOs, education system etc. The Leftist and communist have done it for years and it has successfully delivered the Democrat Party into their hands and a lot of our mainstream churches.

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Obama was reportedly a Christian as well. I find it exceedingly unlikely, as you suggest, that a predominately Muslim electorate would choose a Christian to represent them. Muslim loyalty is unswerving. Any political party that best demonstrates a common desire to ‘kill the beast’ [America], is the one they support.

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Few members of Congress have read the report. You’re surprised? I like Amash but was never overly impressed. However, I think his proclamation is a back-stabbing one.

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I doubt Trump will lose any sleep over this. However, Amash might have a new nickname by 6:30am Sunday.

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Some baby wants his 15 minutes of fame….

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“I see some people saying he’s a fraud and attacking him. I don’t think that’s the case. Amash has shown to act on principle and to say what he really believes. That doesn’t mean he’s right or wrong, but to simply attack his character is silly.” Hahahahahaha

His character? The man doesn’t have a spine! He voted AGAINST Kate’s Law and voted against No Sanctuary For Criminals Act — a bill that would prevent cities with sanctuary policies from getting certain federal grants. I hope someone primaries this piece of crap! Congresswoman Tlaib PRAISED him!

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He was also against the travel ban. He pretty much sides with the open borders crowd on everything.

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He was one of the reps I admired and respected the most, that he would buy into this hoax just leaves me disgusted.

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A hardcore liberal (POS) calling for Trump’s impeachment? WHAT?!? I’m stunned.

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It is not the prosecutor’s job to exonerate anyone. A prosecutor is just suppose to charge those who they can prove committed a crime. Mueller admitted there was no collusion and the DOJ admitted there was no obstruction. It should have been end of story. If there was anything to charge the President with Mueller would have said so and just held the indictment until after President Trump’s term of office was over. Anything else in the report is just prosecutor BS and character assisination at its best. BTW: most prosecutors I have run into think everyone is guilty of something. You want to find what Mueller really has, just allow the Presdent to sue Mueller and his team for liable for everything in the report, at that point the report would be quickly reduced to a sentence or two. But, since prosecutors are immune from civil suits they can… Read more »

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What does Amash have to hide? What is he afraid AG Barr, IG Horowitz, US Attorney Huber, and US AttorneyDurham are going to find? Did the Koch Brothers give him a call?

This smells… not that it would surprise me some RINOs were also behind the Russia ruse… remember McCain?

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And getting money funneled to their campaigns by Soros!

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According to Justin Amash’s financial disclosure forms, Amash is a co-owner of Dynamic Source International, a Chinese company that supplies Michigan Industrial Tools.

Dynamic Source Int is located in Hangzhou, China.

No wonder Justin Amash’s been attacking Trump’s Tariffs! ‼️

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Remember what I’ve been saying: a whole lot of the stuff done to launch the Trump/Russia hoax among a phalanx of co-dependent DC elitists spread among Congress, FBI, CIA , St. Dept., DNC Media has to do with *protecting the MONEY they make from overseas*.

Foreign lobbying.
5:42 PM · May 18, 2019 · Twitter Web Client

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Justin Amash is an idiot. There, I criticized his character. silly

I can’t believe I’m saying this but I haven’t seen one single thing that Trump did that was wrong or impeachable. So Justin Amash must have some ulterior motive for saying something so ludicrous. And frankly, I’m sick to death of any and all “impeachment” talk. It’s unfounded.

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Dickhead here is terrified of what the AG+OIG counter investigation is going to find.

I expect more RINOs to come out over next couple months & try to flood the zone w/ disinformation/non sequiturs to protect DeepState, WelfareState, & globalist wealth transfer out of America.

https://twitter.com/StephenLimbaugh/status/1129854215461826560?s=20

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TracyTracy Wow. That would not be a surprise. Didn’t John McCain help pass that dossier along? Did John do anything that Lindsey wasn’t part of? Lindsey has been quite vocal about getting to the bottom of this all (even though he doesn’t want anyone to be punished for it). I thought that was odd. Anyway, I thought Amash was one of the good guys. I guess I didn’t know enough about him judging by some comments I’ve seen made here. Some of you have got my wheels turning, too, like this tweet you’ve posted. There’s a reason it’s called The Swamp.

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Justin Amash is only doing what his likely biggest financial backers want him to do. That would be the Koch Bros. They are against closing the border, and are incensed at the tariffs. They have long supported the gay agenda, because one of the Koch Bros is gay. The Kochs are not good conservative people. They can take their billions and shove it as far as I’m concerned.

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I knew Amash had TDS but not at this level… this likely has to do with Trump’s immigration plan; Amash is for open borders and amnesty. The hatred is palpable… sad!

“I see some people saying he’s a fraud and attacking him. I don’t think that’s the case.” What a surprise!

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There’s always one isn’t there. Although with all the RINO’s he won’t be the last traitor. Yes I’m looking at you Mittens.

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Just FYI, this guy is fine with illegals voting in elections and tax payer money being used to finance transgender surgery for military members.

If Trump committed obstruction, then it was Mueller’s job to charge him with it. Instead he simply published a very long Op-ed on Trump and used it to create tension. Idiots like Amash fall for it hook line and sinker.

Also i haven’t heard anything from this “libertarian” about the shinanigans and civil liberty violations that lead to the whole Russian investigation. I won’t hold my breath though.

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The tipoff is the claim that Barr misrepresented Mueller’s report and attempted to mislead the public. There is simply no way to square that claim with the facts. Barr accurately reported that the Mueller report had found no collusion, and that Mueller had decided not to make a “traditional prosecutorial decision” concerning obstruction. He was upfront that he was making that determination himself, because Mueller hadn’t, even though that was literally Mueller’s job. Nothing Barr said about the Mueller report was in any way inaccurate. I don’t know what kind of mind-reading Amash is doing to claim Barr was lying, but it’s not an objective evaluation. Mueller investigated the Trump campaign for nearly two years, after it had already been investigated by the FBI under Comey for at least seven months. ( I say, “at least,” because it’s clear that someone was sending spies and attempting to entrap members of… Read more »

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I don’t disagree with anything you wrote. Well done and thorough.

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Sorry, I did not mean to vote down. Good comment.

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Teri, you can correct that error with an up vote.

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AvatarTeri Smith You can undo a down vote by upvoting on the comment.

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He is going to primary Trump. That is what this is about.

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You hit it right on the head. That is exactly what amash is doing.

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Are you guessing, or have you seen something about that? If that’s what it is, stupid move.

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I’m guessing, why else come out and say this stupid crap.

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I think it may have something to do with what you have posted above – the Chinese company. I wonder if that company is suffering from the tariffs. As we’ve learned, those in DC are self-serving if nothing else.

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Reading the RINO’s diatribe, if you notice everything this fraudulent Republican RINOcrat spoke, wrote-stated, not 1 iota piece of factual concrete evidence against Pres and AG Barr was stated to substantiate his lewd incendiary impeachment claim.

Everything he stated, wrote against Pres Trump and AG Barr is 100% opinionated abstract conjecture, the same generalized hyperbolic rhetorical tripe leftist Democrats keep repeating, which their strategy and tactic is as always – If you say it enough, it will become true, and people will believe it – aka Hitlerism

The good people of his district in Michigan must vote this piece of RINO trash out of office.

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A lot of people hate Trump’s guts and want to see him gone so Justin Amash just joined a very long line.

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Yep, he sure did.. and come Nov 2020, he will also be joining the unemployment line.

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I hope so but I doubt it. Michigan isn’t the state we used to know. The voters aren’t the people we used to know. And Minnesota, once famous for Sven and Olie, is now worse.

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