Earlier today an idiot former Republican-turned-Independent actually compared Kyle Kashuv to the Parkland mass murderer over the comments he made when he was 16-years-old:
Here’s more from Free Beacon:
MSNBC contributor David Jolly accused Parkland survivor Kyle Kashuv of showing the signs “of a school shooter,” referring to racist posts the teenager put on social media as a 16-year-old.
“There are conservatives today who have cried foul over Harvard’s decision, saying they are kow-towing to the left. Do you think there is any reason to question political move?” MSNBC host Stephanie Ruhle asked Jolly Tuesday on MSNBC Live.
“I don’t,” Jolly replied. “Stephanie, I take a much harder line on this. I think this is the perfect story for our time, when within our culture, we have leaders who are giving greater permission to racist statements and to people with racist feelings, they are given greater equity. I think it is important for Harvard to say, not in our community. That is not a voice we are going to give equity in our diverse community.”
Jolly said that he originally thought that Kashuv should be given a chance at “redemption,” but after seeing the posts Kashuv made two years prior to the Parkland shooting—which included derogatory references to Jews and black people—Jolly changed his mind.
“My immediate reaction when I really dug into this, these are the social media postings we see of a shooter and we ask, ‘Where were the signs?’ See something, Say something,” Jolly said. “We see a shooter, and then we go back and look at social media posts and this is exactly what we see. I understand the sensitivity of this man toward Parkland. I’m not a mental health professional to assess him on those grounds. But what I’m suggesting—”
“Is that too far?” Ruhle asked. “Can you make that a leap like that?”
“It is not. No. No, it is not Stephanie,” Jolly replied. “If an incident were to occur—and I‘m not saying it will with this young man—but these are the exact posts we find of people, particularly those who advocate for stronger gun rights, who has been given an audience with the President of the United States in the Oval Office, by Nikki Haley as well, by Vice President Mike Pence, who was an invited guest to a rally to speak for Matt Gaetz and Ron DeSantis, who was a speaker at the NRA recently.”
Absolutely despicable.
Kashuv has apologized for his comments and done so in a meaningful way. He has said he’s embarrassed by them and admits he can and will do much better. It’s clear he regrets them and wouldn’t say or mean those things today.
In fact after this segment aired, he responded echoing a similar sentiment:
I’ve said repeatedly that I’m horrified by comments I sent a few years back—I’ll spend years working to make it right.
I will accept and learn from the criticism, but I will NOT accept being compared to the shooter who murdered my classmates.https://t.co/f4d2mJGJld
— Kyle Kashuv (@KyleKashuv) June 18, 2019
Many people on social media were calling for him to sue Jolly for his slanderous comments. He doesn’t indicate whether he’s thinking about that, but from the tone of his tweet it sounds like he might be. Stay tuned!
Pretty gross and despicable. Easily condemnable.
Jolly should be removed from the public eye after saying something so heinous.
Kids say dumb things. Unfortunately, the internet is forever. I do my best to keep my kids away from social media. I succeeded with one (even caught her with a couple of accts and shut it down), but it’s a challenge. With that said, this situation with Kashuv is wrong. Wrong on Harvard’s part and wrong for all of the adults that are going after him for things said as a 16 year old. I’m so grateful there was no internet and/or social media when I was a young person and all those things can be put behind me. Also, there are plenty of adults that shouldn’t be on social media as well.
Wow that is way over the line, especially given Mr. Kashuv’s connection to the Parkland tragedy. Kashuv’s comments were horrible, gratuitous, and offensive, but it is much too much to profile him as a shooter.
I do think, though, that anyone who is trying to understand what happened here . . . he or she really ought to read Mr. Kashuv’s actual rants. This isn’t mamby-pamby sensitivity. His expressions of hate are not the normal high school foolishness, especially not for this generation of high school kids.
Jolly: ‘My immediate reaction when I really dug into this…’ was to get my ass on television.
Harvard was unfair? Yup.
Harvard would never hold a leftist to this standard (or ANY standard, for that matter? Yup.
16 year olds are mature enough to vote? Nope. They do dumb things and make idiotic comments as they try and navigate this world.
And this congressman? He can kiss my 2nd amendment supporting arse.
Do any of you high horse Kashuv bashers now want to take on the baby murdering admitted racist governor of Virginia? He wore a klan outfit and appeared in blackface AS AN ADULT. He is still in office. Muzzie jihadists talib and omar are still in office serving in our Congress. But you dolts keep pounding on a young man who survived a school massacre that did apologize while those I mention did not and just keep doubling down.
Good point.
I hope he does sue. These cretins need to know that they cannot just say such things. The Covington Kids are leading the way.
Which “cretins?” What did they say? Was it accurate?
I know you are old and ignorant, donnie, but that is no excuse for not reading the post. Read it and it will answer your stupidity. Or even better, just don’t post. You just make everyone dumber with your dribble. Ya dolt.
Don’t bother with Donnie @desireeodey – I never do.
So are you saying that words should have consequences? Tell that to Mr. Kashuv.
What really irks me about this whole mess is that if Kyle Kashuv was a proper indoctrinated leftist robot like Hogg, his comments would never have mattered.
This is the problem with social media. Everything ever written is subject to being brought up and held against you for the rest of your life. No longer are people allowed to say something stupid, go “ya know I was being emotional and stupid and don’t really mean that”, or say “I was just joking with my friends trying to say the most outrageous and offensive thing I could come up with”. Nope people can’t be human anymore, and if you have a Right lean, you are done. However if you are Left leaning, somehow we can just let the most offensive things go. Evil owns the Left, and the Left apparently owns the narrative, destroying the lives of innocents to push an agenda.
Exactly. This is how we become Communist China.
If only there was a way to keep horribly racist writings from coming back to haunt the person who said them . . .
. . . oh hey . . . I have an idea . . . don’t say or write horribly racist things! How hard is that? How hard it is to not type out the N-word over and over again, or to refrain from referring to your fellow students by vile, hateful names?
@paladin Yeah, when the muslims take over the world, they’ll probably cut my head off for my profligate use of “islamosavage.”
David Jolly is a self righteous, better than thou TDS infected former Republican, considers himself now an Independent who inhabits the Left wing network. Need I say more.
I don’t have much time for most independents. While some truly are independent (I know a few) I’ve found most of them to be either people who sit on the fence with their finger in the air waiting to see which way the wind blows so they can hop on the winning side or they are pouting because the world is not going precisely their way. I think David Jolly falls definitely into the latter category.
@philliesthoughts I’m registered as an Independent but I’ve always been a pro life Conservative. Started out as a Democrat because I was raised in a Dem household, switched to the GOP and then was part of the exodus when Big Spender W liked him some bigly gov’t. Still vote for the GOP though and for the first time last election I wrote in my choice for president…………Ted Cruz. I’m really a “Cruzer” Conservative.
As an Independent I can only say that neither party makes me want to join them. Many people do claim to be Independent when they are no such thing.
I don’t have much time for rah-rah party loyalists and anyone who worships at the feet of any politician.
As someone who is mostly conservative I lean right most of the time. If someone on the left ever exhibits any sign of sanity or honesty I may in time vote for a Democrat.
Mostly I agree with H. L. Mencken:
Wow, what a piece of work Jolly is.
Jolly’s linkage was inappropriate. Kashuv has work to do to overcome his terrible past conduct. If he’s sincere about turning things around, he should have a chance to rebuild his life.
Rebuild his life? Let’s use Harvard as an example. Kyle got into Harvard because of his intellect/intelligence and a resume that I’m sure includes a diverse service background and exemplary references. Rebuilding starts when?
It begins when he starts the process. Perhaps, he will start another college in the fall. Perhaps he will take a “gap year” and do something meaningful to redress his prior conduct. If he persists and is sincere, he will gradually restore his reputation.
You are a kook
His terrible past conduct? He was a smart a$$ kid who was showing off and trying to shock and said some inappropriate things. If every kid that did that, male and female, were held to account for being young and stupid no one could go to Harvard, which I think is a good thing, and no one could ever run for public office.
No one has questioned his intellect, as far as I know. The issue concerns his conduct and character.
Why did he not apologize well before he applied to Harvard? Why didn’t he try to make amends for his reprehensible conduct well before he applied to Harvard? Why did he omit a material detail about his conduct when applying? Why did he acknowledge but not apologize for his conduct when it surfaced. Why did he wait until Harvard asked for a response to make a full apology? In other words, as far as the Admissions officers would be concerned when trying to reach a conclusion, when did he truly become sorry about his past conduct and what does that say about his character?
So by Jolly’s logic Rashida Tliab, Ilhan Omar and Sarah Jeong are possible school shooters due to their anti-semetic and anti-white diatribe..
I see something in their words and am saying something, so do something about them, Jolly.
Jolly was out of line. But have you read what this kid wrote? The comparison doesn’t hold.
Kashuv was a kid at the time.
Why do libs push the agenda of believing all criminals can be reformed yet jump to ruin a life over something said as a kid? I will answer my own question…..Kashuv’s not a lib, that’s why.
There is a reason this moron is a ‘former” republican
So as I said below I think Jolly’s comments were over the line. I was reading up on the incident and watched the entire clip, and at least now I have a better idea of to what Jolly was referring. Here is part of what Mr. Kashuv typed (with added * for profanity.)
One if his friends then responds . . .
“CSOG” is thought to be a misspelled reference to Counter-Strike Global Offensive, a first person shooter game where ambitious players can make their own maps, and some players emulate real places in those maps. “Douglas” seems a pretty obvious reference to his high school, Stoneman Douglas High School.
So Mr. Kashuv was likely writing about making a map of his high school so he could “practice” in his person shooter game.
That is what Jolly is talking about when he said Kashuv fits the profile of a shooter. And Jolly also mistakenly thought Kashuv wrote the part about “Kill[ing] all the “F***ING JEWS” but seems to have been a friend responding to his comment about creating a map to practice shooting up his high school.
I still wouldn’t have made the connection Jolly made in the strong terms he made it. That said, joking or not, that is some pretty twisted stuff there, especially coming after his racist rant earlier in the same conversation.
After this stuff came out, Harvard Admissions would have been absolutely nuts to admit this kid, and I cannot understand why people are demanding that Harvard excuse his behavior.
I hope he does sue. These cretins need to know that they cannot just say such things. The Covington Kids are leading the way.
Which “cretins?” What did they say? Was it accurate?
I know you are old and ignorant, donnie, but that is no excuse for not reading the post. Read it and it will answer your stupidity. Or even better, just don’t post. You just make everyone dumber with your dribble. Ya dolt.
Don’t bother with Donnie @desireeodey – I never do.
So are you saying that words should have consequences? Tell that to Mr. Kashuv.
What really irks me about this whole mess is that if Kyle Kashuv was a proper indoctrinated leftist robot like Hogg, his comments would never have mattered.
This is the problem with social media. Everything ever written is subject to being brought up and held against you for the rest of your life. No longer are people allowed to say something stupid, go “ya know I was being emotional and stupid and don’t really mean that”, or say “I was just joking with my friends trying to say the most outrageous and offensive thing I could come up with”. Nope people can’t be human anymore, and if you have a Right lean, you are done. However if you are Left leaning, somehow we can just let the most offensive things go. Evil owns the Left, and the Left apparently owns the narrative, destroying the lives of innocents to push an agenda.
Exactly. This is how we become Communist China.
If only there was a way to keep horribly racist writings from coming back to haunt the person who said them . . .
. . . oh hey . . . I have an idea . . . don’t say or write horribly racist things! How hard is that? How hard it is to not type out the N-word over and over again, or to refrain from referring to your fellow students by vile, hateful names?
@paladin Yeah, when the muslims take over the world, they’ll probably cut my head off for my profligate use of “islamosavage.”
David Jolly shows all the signs of being a pedophile. I’m not a medical professional, I’m just suggesting.
See how that works, a**hole?
Kashuv will do well in life, with or without Harvard.
I think Harvard did him a favor. Maybe he will buy it in a few years and turn it into a reeducation facility for liberals.
They certainly could use a little education.
Probably better without. After all if they let the Hogg fool in they can’t have very high standards.
No, but certainly a double standard.
Do any of you high horse Kashuv bashers now want to take on the baby murdering admitted racist governor of Virginia? He wore a klan outfit and appeared in blackface AS AN ADULT. He is still in office. Muzzie jihadists talib and omar are still in office serving in our Congress. But you dolts keep pounding on a young man who survived a school massacre that did apologize while those I mention did not and just keep doubling down.
Good point.
We know how the admissions process works based on the recent college admissions scandal. Harvard has a history of racism with its founding. They also keep out Asian students in favor of black students. I am sure if I examine the background of some of you high horse types that have no idea of extending grace is, I bet I would find worse things. You point fingers while a thump and three fingers points back at you. The song Harper Valley PTA comes to mind.
This piece from Christine Emba very well articulates the position I hold on this matter and provides additional insight. In part, Emba explained:
When his comments surfaced in May, Kashuv wrote a statement acknowledging that he had used “callous and inflammatory language,” and, while not actually apologizing, suggested that he had matured and grown. Later, when the Harvard admissions committee wrote to say that it had been made aware of his offensive statements, Kashuv responded in a much more robust manner, with a full apology and even an additional email to the school’s Office of Diversity and Inclusion…
The decision to rescind was not a plot to “crush [Kashuv’s] public reputation,” as David French wrote in National Review. After all, Harvard did not publicly advertise its deliberations; Kashuv shared the story all on his own. Nor does the decision illustrate forgiveness “withheld,” as Ben Shapiro huffed in the Daily Wire. Forgiveness doesn’t mean pretending nothing happened. We don’t get to choose what accountability looks like…
If anything, Kashuv’s setback may be the latest illustration of the hazards of growing up in a digital age: Things you have said or written in the past might have bearing on your future, and these complications may arise without warning. Certainly, I’m sympathetic to the fact that Harvard’s decision might have come as a surprise and as a disappointment. But I’m not so sympathetic as to suggest that the consequences don’t make sense.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/18/sure-kyle-kashuv-deserves-some-sympathy-consequences-make-sense/
In addition, the underlined portion from above reveals that his position of full remorse is a recent one. Even when the details first came out, his first reaction was simply to acknowledge but not apologize for his reprehensible conduct. In the end, assuming Harvard’s admissions officers had all of the information, they would have been well-founded to question the veracity of his response to them. Why didn’t he deal with them much earlier? Why didn’t he apologize when first confronted with his past? Why only now?
I’m pretty sure Harvard knew the story would get out. Also, they knew they just took away all the value that a Harvard degree brings to a person’s reputation, employment and potential public service prospects (however, little value for actual education) . They also seriously hampered his ability to go to any known college in the fall, if ever. Future earnings are now in jeopardy, as well as the monetary loss of scholarships (he probably got one or two full scholarships elsewhere).
It’s likely a punishment for his outspoken pro-2A views. It conveniently happened when he has no chance of going elsewhere. Once you get accepted by April 1 and you commit to a school by May 1, you can’t agree to go anywhere else. I am fairly confident Harvard had a way of checking social media before they accepted him, but rather than turning him down in the beginning, they waited until they could inflict the greatest harm. This scenario is at least possible these days.
I’m not defending his statements, which I’ve yet to see to be able to evaluate. But there is something fishy here. The left is getting very serious about shutting conservatives out of the public sphere and also destroying their chances of a livelihood. Witness the pro-life tech guy who was banned from a tech conference. It’s becoming full-on persecution and conservatives had better figure out a way to fight it. We’ve allowed them so much control over information that freedom is very much in peril in this country.
Well, I’ve now seen some of what KK wrote back then. It seems to me he should have had a chance to explain them in person to Harvard. They were pretty bad and yes, even a bit creepy. I can definitely see this in the light of a kid trying to be shocking. If this wasn’t brought to the attention of adults back in 2017, something tells me people knew he was trying to shock and weren’t concerned about his temperament. But this is a failure in raising kids, and in other kids knowing when to talk to adults. His remarks should have been brought to someone’s attention back then to assess what was going on with the kid. Of course, we all know the libs in Broward and at MSD were totally lax on protecting students, as the clear signs regarding the shooter kid were ignored.
Fundamentally, our society has downgraded the concept of morals and honor, and actually worked to eliminate them. This results in this kind of behavior on social media, which I suspect is rampant.
Still, Jolly should be sued, and I still think there is a good chance someone at Harvard wanted to humiliate this kid and mess up his life.
No one is entitled to a Harvard education. Indeed, almost 96% of all applicants are turned away.
In addition, Harvard didn’t damage Kashuv’s reputation or hinder “his ability to go to any known college in the fall.” Kashuv’s conduct, alone, led to the outcome. Harvard never publicized its rescinding its admissions offer, Kashuv publicized it.
Pretty gross and despicable. Easily condemnable.
Jolly should be removed from the public eye after saying something so heinous.
By Jolly’s own admission almost every rapper needs to be investigated. Not only that but a lot of black people who use language that white’s aren’t allowed to use needs to be investigated too.
Only if they vote repub/conservative though
David Jolly shows all the signs of being a pedophile. I’m not a medical professional, I’m just suggesting.
See how that works, a**hole?
Kashuv will do well in life, with or without Harvard.
I think Harvard did him a favor. Maybe he will buy it in a few years and turn it into a reeducation facility for liberals.
They certainly could use a little education.
Probably better without. After all if they let the Hogg fool in they can’t have very high standards.
No, but certainly a double standard.
We know how the admissions process works based on the recent college admissions scandal. Harvard has a history of racism with its founding. They also keep out Asian students in favor of black students. I am sure if I examine the background of some of you high horse types that have no idea of extending grace is, I bet I would find worse things. You point fingers while a thump and three fingers points back at you. The song Harper Valley PTA comes to mind.
This piece from Christine Emba very well articulates the position I hold on this matter and provides additional insight. In part, Emba explained:
When his comments surfaced in May, Kashuv wrote a statement acknowledging that he had used “callous and inflammatory language,” and, while not actually apologizing, suggested that he had matured and grown. Later, when the Harvard admissions committee wrote to say that it had been made aware of his offensive statements, Kashuv responded in a much more robust manner, with a full apology and even an additional email to the school’s Office of Diversity and Inclusion…
The decision to rescind was not a plot to “crush [Kashuv’s] public reputation,” as David French wrote in National Review. After all, Harvard did not publicly advertise its deliberations; Kashuv shared the story all on his own. Nor does the decision illustrate forgiveness “withheld,” as Ben Shapiro huffed in the Daily Wire. Forgiveness doesn’t mean pretending nothing happened. We don’t get to choose what accountability looks like…
If anything, Kashuv’s setback may be the latest illustration of the hazards of growing up in a digital age: Things you have said or written in the past might have bearing on your future, and these complications may arise without warning. Certainly, I’m sympathetic to the fact that Harvard’s decision might have come as a surprise and as a disappointment. But I’m not so sympathetic as to suggest that the consequences don’t make sense.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/06/18/sure-kyle-kashuv-deserves-some-sympathy-consequences-make-sense/
In addition, the underlined portion from above reveals that his position of full remorse is a recent one. Even when the details first came out, his first reaction was simply to acknowledge but not apologize for his reprehensible conduct. In the end, assuming Harvard’s admissions officers had all of the information, they would have been well-founded to question the veracity of his response to them. Why didn’t he deal with them much earlier? Why didn’t he apologize when first confronted with his past? Why only now?
I’m pretty sure Harvard knew the story would get out. Also, they knew they just took away all the value that a Harvard degree brings to a person’s reputation, employment and potential public service prospects (however, little value for actual education) . They also seriously hampered his ability to go to any known college in the fall, if ever. Future earnings are now in jeopardy, as well as the monetary loss of scholarships (he probably got one or two full scholarships elsewhere).
It’s likely a punishment for his outspoken pro-2A views. It conveniently happened when he has no chance of going elsewhere. Once you get accepted by April 1 and you commit to a school by May 1, you can’t agree to go anywhere else. I am fairly confident Harvard had a way of checking social media before they accepted him, but rather than turning him down in the beginning, they waited until they could inflict the greatest harm. This scenario is at least possible these days.
I’m not defending his statements, which I’ve yet to see to be able to evaluate. But there is something fishy here. The left is getting very serious about shutting conservatives out of the public sphere and also destroying their chances of a livelihood. Witness the pro-life tech guy who was banned from a tech conference. It’s becoming full-on persecution and conservatives had better figure out a way to fight it. We’ve allowed them so much control over information that freedom is very much in peril in this country.
Well, I’ve now seen some of what KK wrote back then. It seems to me he should have had a chance to explain them in person to Harvard. They were pretty bad and yes, even a bit creepy. I can definitely see this in the light of a kid trying to be shocking. If this wasn’t brought to the attention of adults back in 2017, something tells me people knew he was trying to shock and weren’t concerned about his temperament. But this is a failure in raising kids, and in other kids knowing when to talk to adults. His remarks should have been brought to someone’s attention back then to assess what was going on with the kid. Of course, we all know the libs in Broward and at MSD were totally lax on protecting students, as the clear signs regarding the shooter kid were ignored.
Fundamentally, our society has downgraded the concept of morals and honor, and actually worked to eliminate them. This results in this kind of behavior on social media, which I suspect is rampant.
Still, Jolly should be sued, and I still think there is a good chance someone at Harvard wanted to humiliate this kid and mess up his life.
No one is entitled to a Harvard education. Indeed, almost 96% of all applicants are turned away.
In addition, Harvard didn’t damage Kashuv’s reputation or hinder “his ability to go to any known college in the fall.” Kashuv’s conduct, alone, led to the outcome. Harvard never publicized its rescinding its admissions offer, Kashuv publicized it.
By Jolly’s own admission almost every rapper needs to be investigated. Not only that but a lot of black people who use language that white’s aren’t allowed to use needs to be investigated too.
Only if they vote repub/conservative though
There are people high up in the Democrat party who were and still are rabid racists. They claim to have “seen the light” but in practice are still the same vile racists that they ever were YET no one is painting them as potential violent killers. Many of them said and did far more than Kashuv ever even thought about. One of the Left’s most revered, Senator Robert Byrd, was a Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan and almost no one on the Left gave two hoots about that. This is nothing more than trying to find a mote in someone’s eye for purely political posturing while ignoring the cold hard factual rabidly racist log in their own.
We are not the Democrats.
But we must become them to defeat them, Ren. Fire with fire. Or something.
I don’t know, I’ve been eating a lot of paint chips today.
You are
And you’re giving every excuse you can think of for a kid who is racist. What does that make you?
That has nothing do do with this. Hypocrisy on one side doesn’t justify hypocrisy on the other.
(As an aside, this whole Byrd thing comes up a lot, but it is maybe not the best argument if you follow it too far, since many racists in Byrd’s generation of the Southern Democrats became the crossover Southern Republicans as (and many argue because) the Democrats abandoned their despicable race based politics. A very large shift occurred during the Civil Rights era, particularly around the passage of the Civil Rights Acts. The main thing that distinguishes Byrd from many of his colleagues is that he kept with the Democrats even after they changed their views on these issues. )
So by Jolly’s logic Rashida Tliab, Ilhan Omar and Sarah Jeong are possible school shooters due to their anti-semetic and anti-white diatribe..
I see something in their words and am saying something, so do something about them, Jolly.
Jolly was out of line. But have you read what this kid wrote? The comparison doesn’t hold.
Muzzie jihadists talib and omar are adults serving in our Congress. Have you heard jolly, who killed a guy while driving at 16, take them on? They are more a threat than Kashuv could ever be. How about we examine your life?
Kashuv was a kid at the time.
Why do libs push the agenda of believing all criminals can be reformed yet jump to ruin a life over something said as a kid? I will answer my own question…..Kashuv’s not a lib, that’s why.
A kid at the time? Here’s a newsflash: Universities base their admissions on the words and actions of kids. Always. About everyone applying to Harvard is a kid at the time, and their admittance is 100% based on their words and actions when they were kids!
This ‘his life is ruined’ nonsense is too much. He can’t go to Harvard. Neither can almost everyone else. His life is not ruined. He needs to man up, accept responsibility for his actions, and move on.
Jolly’s linkage was inappropriate. Kashuv has work to do to overcome his terrible past conduct. If he’s sincere about turning things around, he should have a chance to rebuild his life.
Rebuild his life? Let’s use Harvard as an example. Kyle got into Harvard because of his intellect/intelligence and a resume that I’m sure includes a diverse service background and exemplary references. Rebuilding starts when?
It begins when he starts the process. Perhaps, he will start another college in the fall. Perhaps he will take a “gap year” and do something meaningful to redress his prior conduct. If he persists and is sincere, he will gradually restore his reputation.
Kyle would not have been considered without references. As for Harvard, Kyle needs to look at better.
His references may have had no more idea about his reprehensible conduct than Harvard had.
But his post-racist-remarks behavior did.
He wasn’t fully honest in applying to Harvard, as he omitted material information. Harvard only learned about that information later. There’s no reported evidence that he has apologized or tried to make amends for his conduct prior to the issue information’s surfacing. Had he explained the situation, his remorse, how he had grown following it, there’s some chance things might have turned out differently.
His material omission may well have suggested to the Admissions team that he was responding only after he was “caught” rather than due to sincere regret. If so, the conclusion would have been damaging to the idea of his being sufficiently mature to join Harvard’s student body.
Then Harvard needs to examine every student. We know how students are admitted based on the recent admissions scandal. These institutions are a joke. They have no ethics. You have no knowledge of grace or redemption. I am sure if I look into old Donny’s background, I would find some very questionable goings on.
@desireeodey – absolutely. Every thing every student ever said on social media must be examined for any reason why they don’t stand up to Harvard’s high standards. 😆 (Excuse me, I can’t stop laughing about that.)
You’re really a bore.
I appreciate the feedback.
I’m glad.
@Kathleen – I would have said tiresome – you say potayto, I say patato.
And Harvard is incredibly hard to get into because of their discriminatory admissions policies. This kid must have had amazing references and credentials.
His terrible past conduct? He was a smart a$$ kid who was showing off and trying to shock and said some inappropriate things. If every kid that did that, male and female, were held to account for being young and stupid no one could go to Harvard, which I think is a good thing, and no one could ever run for public office.
No one has questioned his intellect, as far as I know. The issue concerns his conduct and character.
Why did he not apologize well before he applied to Harvard? Why didn’t he try to make amends for his reprehensible conduct well before he applied to Harvard? Why did he omit a material detail about his conduct when applying? Why did he acknowledge but not apologize for his conduct when it surfaced. Why did he wait until Harvard asked for a response to make a full apology? In other words, as far as the Admissions officers would be concerned when trying to reach a conclusion, when did he truly become sorry about his past conduct and what does that say about his character?
You are a kook
Kids say dumb things. Unfortunately, the internet is forever. I do my best to keep my kids away from social media. I succeeded with one (even caught her with a couple of accts and shut it down), but it’s a challenge. With that said, this situation with Kashuv is wrong. Wrong on Harvard’s part and wrong for all of the adults that are going after him for things said as a 16 year old. I’m so grateful there was no internet and/or social media when I was a young person and all those things can be put behind me. Also, there are plenty of adults that shouldn’t be on social media as well.
Wow, what a piece of work Jolly is.
There is a reason this moron is a ‘former” republican
David Jolly is a self righteous, better than thou TDS infected former Republican, considers himself now an Independent who inhabits the Left wing network. Need I say more.
Probably the only way he can get a job.
I don’t have much time for most independents. While some truly are independent (I know a few) I’ve found most of them to be either people who sit on the fence with their finger in the air waiting to see which way the wind blows so they can hop on the winning side or they are pouting because the world is not going precisely their way. I think David Jolly falls definitely into the latter category.
@philliesthoughts I’m registered as an Independent but I’ve always been a pro life Conservative. Started out as a Democrat because I was raised in a Dem household, switched to the GOP and then was part of the exodus when Big Spender W liked him some bigly gov’t. Still vote for the GOP though and for the first time last election I wrote in my choice for president…………Ted Cruz. I’m really a “Cruzer” Conservative.
As an Independent I can only say that neither party makes me want to join them. Many people do claim to be Independent when they are no such thing.
I don’t have much time for rah-rah party loyalists and anyone who worships at the feet of any politician.
As someone who is mostly conservative I lean right most of the time. If someone on the left ever exhibits any sign of sanity or honesty I may in time vote for a Democrat.
Mostly I agree with H. L. Mencken:
Wow that is way over the line, especially given Mr. Kashuv’s connection to the Parkland tragedy. Kashuv’s comments were horrible, gratuitous, and offensive, but it is much too much to profile him as a shooter.
I do think, though, that anyone who is trying to understand what happened here . . . he or she really ought to read Mr. Kashuv’s actual rants. This isn’t mamby-pamby sensitivity. His expressions of hate are not the normal high school foolishness, especially not for this generation of high school kids.
I dont know about you, but I really dont care about what a KID SAID when he was 16, or 17. Thats, why we dont, let them vote or drink. I care more about their actions. apparently David Jolly was driver in 1989 accident that killed a pedestrian
Well if YOU don’t care what he said, then why should Harvard?
Seriously, what do you think college admissions are based upon, if not the words and actions of “KIDS.” Colleges look at everything; their grades, their activities, their jobs, their interviews, their writing, their talents, their recommendations, their perceived maturity and moral character. And, of course, their mistakes.
As for Jolly, his statement was dumb and over the line. But the dirt you dredge has absolutely nothing to do with whether this kid should take responsibility for his own actions and accept the consequences.
Harvard was unfair? Yup.
Harvard would never hold a leftist to this standard (or ANY standard, for that matter? Yup.
16 year olds are mature enough to vote? Nope. They do dumb things and make idiotic comments as they try and navigate this world.
And this congressman? He can kiss my 2nd amendment supporting arse.
Jolly actually killed a man. Twitchy has the post. Jolly was 16, just like the age Kyle was, when he was driving with a friend. It was about 9:30 at night. A man was on the side of the road fixing his motorcycle. Jolly hit and killed him. Jolly was not charged. Seems to me young Mr. Jolly did not keep his eyes on the road or maybe did something stupid while driving. Jolly literally did kill a person when he was 16. Life comes at you really hard sometimes.
Wow! Thanks for that info! So when Jolly was age 16-he referred to himself as being “a child” when it happened- is driving & accidentally hits a man on the side of the road. How utterly clueless Jolly is! He has much more empathy for himself at age 16, than for Kashuv doing something stupid that didn’t result in the loss of life!
https://twitchy.com/sarahd-313035/2019/06/18/well-aint-that-something-heres-what-msnbc-contributor-david-jolly-who-compared-kyle-kashuv-to-a-mass-shooter-was-doing-at-16/
Maybe his way of subconsciously resolving his own guilt.
Why so much support for this kid who wrote racist things? I swear, I do not get it. “Oh, he was 16.”. How old is he now? If you’re writing the ‘n’ word all over the place and calling other people that name then you ARE racist. Just like Omar with her anti-Semitic ways. Supporting him just supports the myth that Conservatives are racists. This kid? Racist.
There is a whole genre of music called rap where that word is said over and over. Not just that, but women are called disgusting names. But rappers get paid big money and get grammy awards. So Kashuv must be kicked out of Harvard and his life ruined, but crickets on the rap industry.
His life ruined? Thousands of qualified kids are denied admittance to Harvard for much less every year. And hundreds of thousands don’t even bother to apply because they have no chance. Are all of their lives ruined? Or do they move on to something else and try to learn from the experience.
As for the rap industry, what does it have to do Harvard’s standards of admission?
Obviously you haven’t a clue on how the left destroys lives. Google Gibson’s Bakery. The cesspool oberlin college tried to ruin them attacking them as racists for trying to stop black oberlin students from shoplifting in their bakery and market. Luckily they fought back and won. Kashuv was accepted by Harvard and they took back the acceptance. I am sure those who are students at Harvard have done much worse. Name a high profile lefty this has happened to. I make a very good point about the rap industry. Comprehension is not your friend.
1. This is about neither Gibson’s Bakery nor the rap industry.
2. His life is NOT ruined. He wasn’t entitled to go to Harvard, and if any other applicant got caught wring that kind of garbage the result would have been the same. If Mr. Kashuv ever chooses to actually take responsibility for the consequences of his actions, it may turn out to be a beneficial learning experience.
3. Two years ago Harvard rescinded acceptances from at least ten prospective students who had posted offensive memes in a private chat group because the offensive memes were directed at minority groups and women. The students insisted it was all just a joke and apologized profusely, but the acceptances were rescinded nonetheless.
4. Harvard is a tough admittance. Plenty of kids get rejected after not having gone so low as a “B,” and for tiny reasons or no reason at all. I can’t believe people are claiming that a person who made horribly racist statements ought get the spot of a qualified student who knew better.
Harvard admitted David Hogg. How is that? Harvard weighed its options with Kashuv: he’s intellectually deserving and did all the service hours required but could they weather the perpetually aggrieved?
To my knowledge, git that he is, Hogg never went on racist rants. Stop excusing racism.
My point Renny is that Hogg is undeserving intellectually but politically he is. As far as Kashuv, you seem to know what others don’t. Other than his rants at 16, what did he do? Did he act out his words. And he has asked for forgiveness? Is racist behavior unforgivable?
My problem with this ongoing story is that there seems to be support and outrage for him because he’s considered right leaning? Let’s just put Hogg aside and concentrate on this story. It’s troubling to me that he is being so eagerly championed. It reminds me of the Democrats excusing Ilahn Omar by saying she really doesn’t understand the words she uses. Poppycock, we all know it. WHY does this kid get a pass? Why did he make those comments in the first place? We’re not talking the 1940’s here. Or even later. We’re talking the two thousands. Sorry, I can’t support this kid. His racism messed up his chances for Harvard. That’s on him.
Because he was a kid. Kids say and do stupid things.
Omar is a congress woman. How do you see the two as being comparable?
He wasn’t 6! He was 16 in this day and age. He knew what words he was using and he knew they were racist. C’mon. I see it as comparable because you’re excusing the one and hating the other. Status not important. It’s the same spirit.
yeah and 16 in “this day and age” is about as mature as we were when we were 10. For crying out loud people talk about keeping their 26 year old “children” on their insurance plan as if 26 was an adult.
But you are enjoying your self-righteousness so I’m done.
No, I’m just not enjoying folks on a conservative site excusing racism. But, you get that. Absolutely unbelievable. Bye.
Whether his racist behavior is forgivable is between him and his maker. That said, it is disqualifying when it comes to admission to Harvard, for good reason.
If he is truly sorry and willing to accept the consequences of his actions, this will be a chance for him to learn and grow.
No it won’t. Because those on the left will use it against him for the rest of his life. He’s a RACIST!
If every 16 year old had to live with the consequences of things they said there are few who would be considered worthy to enter the hallowed halls of Harvard.
Oh wait, I mean no one who was right-leaning because we know that lefties get a pass for whatever they say.
LOL. EVERY single 16 year old who wants to go to Harvard has live with the consequences of their words and actions. Sixteen year olds who pull a few B’s or C’s routine get turned away by Harvard! Sixteen year olds who don’t take challenging enough courses are routinely turned away from Harvard! Sixteen year olds who don’t have an extraordinary talent, or an extraordinary experience (like Hogge and Kashuv) are routinely turned away from Harvard. Heck, there are 16 year olds who do everything well, never make a mistake, and excel in school, and even they routinely get turned away from Harvard! Colleges, especially elite colleges, consider much more than just grades when looking at applicants. Among other things, they also consider moral character and maturity.
Yet you think it is a horrible injustice because Harvard has no place for someone who behaved like a deranged racist when he was sixteen? Let Mr. Kashuv get in the back of the line with all of the qualified kids who didn’t behave like a deranged racist, yet still didn’t get in.
As for the left using this against him, give me a break. The only reason this is even public is because this kid refused to accept the consequences of his actions, and instead decided to try to turn himself into a public martyr. Harvard didn’t publicize it. He did. He turned it into a circus because he refuses to accept the consequences of his actions.
Are you really dishonest enough to believe that all applicants are treated the same way? Good grief.
In 2017 at least 10 Harvard applicants had their admission rescinded for posting sexually explicit memes, some of which targeted minorities.
https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2017/6/5/2021-offers-rescinded-memes/
Harvard’s policy and precedent is crystal clear. If Harvard finds out that an applicant has engaged in racist, offensive behavior online,Harvard will rescind admission. They treated this kid just like every other applicant.
The only difference here is this kid decided to not accept the consequences and instead has made himself a martyr. And people like you are eating it up.
Ah, then Hogg is deserving because his behavior is acceptable as long as he doesn’t utter the N word.
Seriously? Sheesh.
,Sheesh, just answer the question
Racism is not just the N word and forgiveness is not for the select. I don’t give a rats ass about Harvard and who and what they accept. I do care that someone is excoriated endlessly and with such vigor and venom. You’re so just and right, Tump. I try not to be racist with anyone and if I sin, I ask for forgiveness through confession and with my actions. You and a couple others here believe that Kashuv’s soul should be dead to all. He’s done the unforgivable and cannot receive forgiveness and go on. One other person here said Kashuv only asked for forgiveness because he was ‘caught’. I didn’t realize I’m among the supreme just.
If you don’t care who Harvard admits, then what are we talking about?
The only reason we are even discussing him, is because Harvard applied the same standard to him as everyone, and he won’t accept that. He has publicly demanded forgiveness and a second chance. He’s the one who brought this public. He’s the one who made it an issue. Harvard didn’t.
I wish the kid well. If hope he finds a space to actually consider how he brought this on himself and to actually learn from it. Mistakes are the doorway to growth, but only if we accept responsibility for our mistakes. Unfortunately that will be hard for him because people like you want to treat him as a martyr when he is anything but.
Don’t you know? Using the “N” word and being called a RACIST is the worst thing in the world. What absolute and utter nonsense. Because if that was true all the blacks that hate whites, Jews and Asians would be getting called RACIST and denied entrance into the “Ivy-League Schools” that have to lower their academic standards to admit them.
And, for the record, I’m not excusing racism. Weak and insulting comment especially from you. (Others, not so much.)
You aren’t? Because it sure seems like you are. Or at least that you want Harvard to “excuse” racism. Because he apologized after he got caught? Still doesn’t excuse racism, and these are the consequences.
I’ve been accused of racism and supporting Kashuv because he’s white and right. Whether he gets into Harvard is irrelevant. I have pointed out several times that Kashuv is intellectually suited for Harvard (but I think my dog is, too) but his unforgivable sin at 16 makes me and him a life-long racist. Where is your outrage for the rappers and those allowed to use the N word? I haven’t read about that yet. I just hope you and a couple others here meet the criteria set by your superiors and that those superiors are as open minded as you.
You haven’t been accused of racism. You’ve been accused of demanding that Harvard excuse racism and let him in anyway. You want him treated with kid gloves because he is a conservative.
Hogg has gone on other rants against NRA members. So his ignorant, slanderous rants are okay?
So long as they aren’t RACIST!
Unless there is a record of David Hogg going on horrifically racist rants, I don’t see the relevance. As for Kashuv, he may be “intellectually deserving,” but so what? Harvard makes it very clear that being “intellectually deserving” isn’t nearly enough. Thousands of other kids who are “intellectually deserving” don’t get in for some minor reason or another, or for no reason at all.
Harvard doesn’t have to take chances on kids who behaved like a deranged racist in high school, and they have zero interest in taking kids who may end up being disrespectful or even at Harvard or in life.
You and others seem to think he has been singled out for his political action, but Harvard did the exact same thing to at least ten students in 2017 for basically the reasons. They are treating him like the treat all their applicants. If applicants have been disgustingly racist, Harvard will rescind their applications, whether they apologize (after they are caught) or not.
Also, if they didn’t want to admit him because of his gun activism, then why did they admit him in the first place. His essay was about his gun activism so it is not as if they didn’t know about it. In fact, his gun activism may have been the reason he got in! They changed their mind because he behaved like a racist and a bigot in high school!
It is totally about double standard. Now do how Harvard denies Asian students admittance in favor of black students.
Racism is racism is racism. Do you excuse Omar and her anti-Semitics because hey, black people call themselves names and attack women? Quit excusing his behavior. It is not acceptable.
Hate is hate is hate. Can Kyle be forgiven?
Oh, he can be. But Harvard does not have to accept him because he said, “Sorry.”.
No, they don’t. But I’m sick of hearing that racism is the ultimate sin – unequaled by any other sin. (Harvard’s not that great.)
Hallelujah Sister [email protected]! That is the part of the whole conversation that annoys me so much. The kid ran his big mouth at 16 and now must crawl on his knees on broken glass for the rest of his life because he is a RACIST.
If this kid were a liberal, would you be so forgiving? You see, you’re either against racism or you’re not. If you fudge that means you’re just like the Democrats.
By his maker, or by anyone else that chooses to forgive him. Even Harvard can “forgive” him. But they sure as heck don’t have to admit him.
You are not acceptable. Now do Harvard racist policy of denying Asian students in favor of black students.
Oh, dear. I’m not acceptable. I guess saying racist things is now the ‘it’s okay to do as long as you’re perceived as being right wing’. The discussion is this kid. What he said. When I was 16 I would never have called anyone that word. I knew better. That was way before the 2000’s where everyone and his aunt knows that it’s a derogatory term. Can you say it? Yes. Do you not want to be called racist because you called other people this word? Tough. It is what it is. Racist. Words have consequences. Like the Dixie Chicks. Remember? Career over.
Tribe.
Shut up, tribe cop hater
I think it’s just great how you’re trying to rationalize overt extreme racism. Really says a lot about you, des.
You advocate for killing law enforcement. You posted that here. I have said nothing of the insanity you just posted about me. You are insane.
I have not and no amount of searching will prove otherwise.
Try to demonize me all you want, des. It doesn’t work. I am beyond the reach of such lame efforts.
Well done.
Now do rappers. Professional athletes.
I would, but they’re not the subject here.
Jolly: ‘My immediate reaction when I really dug into this…’ was to get my ass on television.
Maybe people should dig into Jolly’s past and find out what it was he ACTUALLY did when he was 16 years old.
Twitchy has a thread up at their site. Jolly was 16 when he was driving a car and hit and killed a man on the side of the road.
I like this article. Stop whining and fight back. More of this.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/stop-complaining-left-mean-unfair-fight-back/
Wow. I’m amazed that someone was able to discuss how to fight back without going into violent hysterics. Impressive article, Tracy. Thank you.
There are people high up in the Democrat party who were and still are rabid racists. They claim to have “seen the light” but in practice are still the same vile racists that they ever were YET no one is painting them as potential violent killers. Many of them said and did far more than Kashuv ever even thought about. One of the Left’s most revered, Senator Robert Byrd, was a Grand Dragon of the Klu Klux Klan and almost no one on the Left gave two hoots about that. This is nothing more than trying to find a mote in someone’s eye for purely political posturing while ignoring the cold hard factual rabidly racist log in their own.
We are not the Democrats.
You are
That has nothing do do with this. Hypocrisy on one side doesn’t justify hypocrisy on the other.
(As an aside, this whole Byrd thing comes up a lot, but it is maybe not the best argument if you follow it too far, since many racists in Byrd’s generation of the Southern Democrats became the crossover Southern Republicans as (and many argue because) the Democrats abandoned their despicable race based politics. A very large shift occurred during the Civil Rights era, particularly around the passage of the Civil Rights Acts. The main thing that distinguishes Byrd from many of his colleagues is that he kept with the Democrats even after they changed their views on these issues. )
I thank God there wasnt social media when I was growing up. I know how terrible I was then – now I’m very mellow and tolerant.
I’ve told my daughter about the horrors of posting things online and the probability of those posts “coming back to bite you in the *ss.” She was aware and told me she was careful, but unfortunately, her friend wasn’t. She was on the competition line at a prominent dance studio and the girls were having a glass of wine (supervised by myself and another parent) before we went out for dinner one evening. Being that we are French-Canadian, it is very common to allow the young people to have wine with dinner and since we were going to a restaurant, she asked and I said OK.
Well, one of the friends (not on the team) was taking silly photos and posted them on her “”Finsta” account which is a private Instagram account where you choose who can follow you. Unfortunately, some of the dancers on her team were on this “Fintsa” account and went running to some of the other moms (these are the “Dance Mom” type of moms, catty, stab-in-the back) and all hell broke loose after the competition.
My daughter and her friend were stripped of their captain position with the team and the entire studio had a meltdown resulting in my daughter and her friend having the worst senior year of their lives. Yeah, she learned the hard, hard way and understood all the times I whined at her about posting stuff online. Young people have no idea what will come back to hurt them as evidenced by Kyle’s experience.
Hear this all the time. Best for kids to stay off, we managed to survive without it!
Oh, it’s worse than just comparing him to the Parkland shooter:
He’s impugning ANYONE who supports 2A as the kind of repugnant racist SOB that this kid was when he wrote those screeds. He’s trying to create a connection between “supporting 2A” and seriously ugly racism.
Never mind the kid – he’s attacking ALL of us.
No there aren’t. There are people on the progressive right crying foul over that, but conservatives aren’t. Conservatives understand that actions have consequences, even long-term unforeseen ones; and that people (including Harvard admissions) are free to judge others based on said actions.
(See also Galatians 6:8-9)
I swear, are you bipolar? I’ve rarely seen anyone fluctuate between intelligence and outright idiocy more than yourself. And this time you did it all in one comment. Nice work. Can’t be duplicated.
Kinda not sure what you’re getting at.
It’s kind of hard to miss the fact that he’s maligning anyone who supports gun rights as somehow racist. And I have yet to see a conservative cry foul over the Harvard thing. Pointed out the hypocrisy, maybe, but not pretending like some grave injustice has been committed or that it isn’t the kid’s own fault.
Seen a lot of Trumpers crying about it though, whining about fairness and entitlement as is their progressive wont. Maybe you’re mistaking Trumpers for conservatives? Pretty common mistake.
AT is just a contrarian:
n. One who takes a contrary view or action, especially an investor who makes decisions that contradict prevailing wisdom, as in buying securities that are unpopular at the time.
adj. taking an opposing view, especially a view opposite to that taken by the majority.
n. a person who habitually takes a view opposite to that held by the majority.
I take whichever view is correct.
Only they are the “true conservatives”. Them and only them.
It has nothing to do with “true conservatives.” It has to do with right and wrong.
Conservatism is about conserving the values and principles upon which this nation was founded. And those values did not include impotently whining that ones prior bad acts should be immediately absolved and forgotten so that he can go to a leftist college (which, btw, is just a desire to thumb our noses at the leftist college) because he’s wearing the right jersey. Nor do they include inventing fake claims of injustice against rights a person doesn’t have.
I know the Trump cult doesn’t like being called progressive. I know that ryan. But if they want to shed that, then maybe they ought to stop acting like progressives.
Respectfully, modern conservatism is about maintaining the culture as it is. If conservatives were actually “about conserving the values and principles upon which this nation was founded” they’d be for dismantling huge swaths of the federal government.
They’re not. Just tell a ‘Boomer you want to abolish Social Security.
Modern day conservatives are nothing more than Right-Progressives. Big government in the opposite way of Democrat big government, but big government all the same.
I would assert that anyone who wants to keep SS is on the left side of the playing field.
Then they’re not conservatives.
They’re progressive right. Which is the term I’ve been using since… well, right around the coronation of King Donald.
I agree with the bi-polar assessment. I can’t stand her hatred for law enforcement. It’s her going to far when she posted all cops should be killed. Even the moderators got after at for that one.
I don’t hate law enforcement. I never said anything even remotely like that. You are confused and blinded by prejudice.
You posted that all cops should be killed. Many posters took you to task and a moderator warned you and deleted your comment. You are such a cowardly liar. Many here know your history of cop hatred. You are pathetic.
*yawn*
Your history of posting cop hating comments is well known. Now you pitifully act like you didn’t post that all cops should be killed. Typical leftist. You posted it, you got taken to task, the moderators warned you and they deleted it. Now you lie and act like you didn’t post it. You are a liar and a coward. So shut your hole up about Kashuv.
So cite the history. I’ve never once deleted a single thing I said. I stand by every single word.
You won’t find anything about killing cops or even hating them. So, shut your noisemaker, Jane, you ignorant heh.
You mean to tell me not one conservative is crying foul? And those that do are automatically lumped in with the “progressive” right? Why not just call us alt-right like the Left does while your at it.
How long should he pay for something he said when he was 16, for the rest of his life? I think back to all the stupid stuff I thought and said when I was 16, and I would hate for that to define me forever. I’m not the same person I was at 16, and neither is anyone else past a certain age (which varies from person to person).
Second, just because Harvard has the right to do something doesn’t make it right. You know very well it is nothing less than blacklisting because of his Conservative views. And there’s nothing that says you have to accept an injustice because someone has the legal right to do so. If everyone did that we would still have segregation laws today. If you lay down and show your belly then nothing changes, and you get what you deserve.
Well, I suppose we have to parse out what “crying foul” means. Ben Shapiro protested the decision, and I don’t doubt his conservative chops. French came out lamenting it, but he didn’t suggest that what Harvard did was wrong – just that apologies from the right mean nothing to the left. A lot of folks, myself included, have stated that Harvard is being massively hypocritical here.
But is any of that crying foul?
I don’t think so. I think conservatives accept that Harvard CAN do this, but that it’s awful. I think conservatives accept that this kid was absolutely in the wrong, and should accept the consequences of his actions. They may disagree as to whether the consequences he’s facing are too severe in the face of the action – but they seem to acknowledge that’s Harvard’s call to make. Does that smack to you as crying foul? Because it doesn’t to me. Crying shitty and hypocritical maybe, but not foul.
Now consider the progressive angle – the ones ACTUALLY crying foul, like the kid has been made the victim of some terrible wrong. These are the folks who are rationalizing what he did when he was 16. These are the folks who seem to think that he’s entitled to his Harvard education (especially over Other Tribe folks like Hoggboy). These are the folks that think some injustice has occurred and/or that lawsuits should be filed over it. And these are the folks who are banging their keyboards in a snowflake tantrum about fairness. Notice these are all things we see out of leftists most of the time.
I don’t know. I’m inclined to accept his apology and get on with my life. But who am I to demand the same from others?
This hearkens to the conversation I had yesterday about growing with the times. I would hate for some of my youthful indiscretions to define me. But you know the difference between then and now? Then we weren’t carving them into digital stone that can be unearthed to clobber us with. The fact that folks don’t have the sense to consider what they commit to a permanent record – well, I sure hope they learned something from this kid.
Yea, but that’s not up to us to decide. Burger King has the right to put a meatless Whopper on their menu, but that doesn’t make it right. But, whatever. They’re allowed to do as they please. Part of my freedom is putting up with things i don’t like, as other people exercise theirs.
That’s not true. Remember, he was already accepted DESPITE the fact that his 2A views were widely known. What did this kid in was committing racial slurs against his classmates to his digital record.
It’s not an injustice. It’s an unfairness.
Surprising how many people are struggling with that distinction. Usually it’s just leftists, but we’re seeing A LOT of that from the snowflakey progressive right too these days.
It’s not “showing your belly” to accept responsibility for your part in the bad things that happen to you, as a result of your actions. And what is it you’d do about it anyway? FORCE Harvard to re-accept him? Is he entitled to a Harvard education regardless of anything Harvard doesn’t like about him?
Because you know damn well that ain’t a conservative position to take.
Honestly though, I’m a little surprised that people are shocked to find out that 16 year olds might be annoying little s—s. This should be an object lesson to people that the internet isn’t private and letting it all hang out isn’t always the best idea.
In an effort to show off his intelligence, Mr. Reporter instead displayed his @ss for all to see.
Edit: Please forgive the mistake… I meant the reporter, not the young man.
I think you mistyped.
It was Jolly who showed his @SS
Come on Eric,he wrote a wonderful apology letter to the Dean of Admissions at Harvard College,yet they denied his admission.He has been punished.No need to carry this incident further.The ex-Republican now MSNBC contributor is pursuing it too far with those false comments
You are correct, please see my Edit.
Thanks Eric,you just did what the best of gentlemen do and that is an apology.Nice job.
hello @Harvard- did you check the tweets etc of all the other incoming Freshman? Yeah i did not think so!! I think Havad needs to be Oberlinded
It’s amusing that even the MSNBC person asked the guy if he might be taking his point a bit far.
Well that makes sense, because liberals are such snowflakes that words and bullets are equally frightening.
Just like everything they are offended by is “terrorism”
Well, in fairness, the snowflakes on the right have adopted that same tactic (though they call it “treason” instead of terrorism).
And “invasion”…
Ironically, Dave Jolly did kill someone when he was 16. With his car. Proving, among other things, that cars are much more dangerous than guns. This clown puts the HYP in hypocrite.
Jolly actually killed a man. Twitchy has the post. Jolly was 16, just like the age Kyle was, when he was driving with a friend. It was about 9:30 at night. A man was on the side of the road fixing his motorcycle. Jolly hit and killed him. Jolly was not charged. Seems to me young Mr. Jolly did not keep his eyes on the road or maybe did something stupid while driving. Jolly literally did kill a person when he was 16. Life comes at you really hard sometimes.
Why so much support for this kid who wrote racist things? I swear, I do not get it. “Oh, he was 16.”. How old is he now? If you’re writing the ‘n’ word all over the place and calling other people that name then you ARE racist. Just like Omar with her anti-Semitic ways. Supporting him just supports the myth that Conservatives are racists. This kid? Racist.
Well done.
Now do rappers. Professional athletes.
I would, but they’re not the subject here.
Maybe people should dig into Jolly’s past and find out what it was he ACTUALLY did when he was 16 years old.
I like this article. Stop whining and fight back. More of this.
https://www.conservativereview.com/news/stop-complaining-left-mean-unfair-fight-back/
I thank God there wasnt social media when I was growing up. I know how terrible I was then – now I’m very mellow and tolerant.
I’ve told my daughter about the horrors of posting things online and the probability of those posts “coming back to bite you in the *ss.” She was aware and told me she was careful, but unfortunately, her friend wasn’t. She was on the competition line at a prominent dance studio and the girls were having a glass of wine (supervised by myself and another parent) before we went out for dinner one evening. Being that we are French-Canadian, it is very common to allow the young people to have wine with dinner and since we were going to a restaurant, she asked and I said OK.
Well, one of the friends (not on the team) was taking silly photos and posted them on her “”Finsta” account which is a private Instagram account where you choose who can follow you. Unfortunately, some of the dancers on her team were on this “Fintsa” account and went running to some of the other moms (these are the “Dance Mom” type of moms, catty, stab-in-the back) and all hell broke loose after the competition.
My daughter and her friend were stripped of their captain position with the team and the entire studio had a meltdown resulting in my daughter and her friend having the worst senior year of their lives. Yeah, she learned the hard, hard way and understood all the times I whined at her about posting stuff online. Young people have no idea what will come back to hurt them as evidenced by Kyle’s experience.
Oh, it’s worse than just comparing him to the Parkland shooter:
He’s impugning ANYONE who supports 2A as the kind of repugnant racist SOB that this kid was when he wrote those screeds. He’s trying to create a connection between “supporting 2A” and seriously ugly racism.
Never mind the kid – he’s attacking ALL of us.
No there aren’t. There are people on the progressive right crying foul over that, but conservatives aren’t. Conservatives understand that actions have consequences, even long-term unforeseen ones; and that people (including Harvard admissions) are free to judge others based on said actions.
(See also Galatians 6:8-9)
You mean to tell me not one conservative is crying foul? And those that do are automatically lumped in with the “progressive” right? Why not just call us alt-right like the Left does while your at it.
How long should he pay for something he said when he was 16, for the rest of his life? I think back to all the stupid stuff I thought and said when I was 16, and I would hate for that to define me forever. I’m not the same person I was at 16, and neither is anyone else past a certain age (which varies from person to person).
Second, just because Harvard has the right to do something doesn’t make it right. You know very well it is nothing less than blacklisting because of his Conservative views. And there’s nothing that says you have to accept an injustice because someone has the legal right to do so. If everyone did that we would still have segregation laws today. If you lay down and show your belly then nothing changes, and you get what you deserve.
Honestly though, I’m a little surprised that people are shocked to find out that 16 year olds might be annoying little s—s. This should be an object lesson to people that the internet isn’t private and letting it all hang out isn’t always the best idea.
It’s amusing that even the MSNBC person asked the guy if he might be taking his point a bit far.
Well that makes sense, because liberals are such snowflakes that words and bullets are equally frightening.
Just like everything they are offended by is “terrorism”
Ironically, Dave Jolly did kill someone when he was 16. With his car. Proving, among other things, that cars are much more dangerous than guns. This clown puts the HYP in hypocrite.