Levin: Let the cowards wait for 2012! We’re here right now!

I normally don’t post back to back Levin monologues, but this one here is red meat for the conservative soul. If you thought you liked the last one you will love this one.



Levin has had enough of the establishment Republicans beating and trashing the Tea Party members over their opposition to the Boehner plan and he lets it all hang out in this monologue. It is the best from Levin in a while. He is truly the Great One:

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Whiskey Jim
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Whiskey Jim

The whole discussion is beyond ludicrous now for one simple reason; they are now fiddling over a bill that does not avoid downgrade (ratings agencies want $4+T over 10 years).

Levin is right. The only bill that avoids downgrade can’t get by the Dems. Fine. Let’s shutdown then. The downgrade is coming either way. Then we will see who signs what.

Whiskey Jim
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Whiskey Jim

The whole discussion is beyond ludicrous now for one simple reason; they are now fiddling over a bill that does not avoid downgrade (ratings agencies want $4+T over 10 years).

Levin is right. The only bill that avoids downgrade can’t get by the Dems. Fine. Let’s shutdown then. The downgrade is coming either way. Then we will see who signs what.

PK
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PK

Divide and Conquer” Is this not the scheme the left used to stir up the pot?
I hope Allen West will soon clear the air on his reaction as it’s now evident that someone had used the name of TPN to wedge a divide to cause major distraction and drift among conservatives.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I Totally agree,NOW is the time to fight this battle,not in 2 years!! Who knows what horrors Obama will unleash upon America with unchecked fiscal freedom.Boehner and his partners are traitors to America which TPer’s stand for with their watered down, lame versions of the hard CUTS that are required.We should promise to punish those who compromise by merely voting present and make sure they don’t get re-elected We will get blamed SO WHAT! Obama and Dems have been doing that for awhile,it’s far more important to stand up for what’s right NOW! Start defending our position in the media nationally and let America know Obama’s a BIG LIAR!! If we wait there’s no guarantee We will beat Obama or have full support of the Senate and the House in 2 years! then we will have lost our precious chance to force this morally bankrupt and fiscally irresponsible government to… Read more »

TPDanbo
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TPDanbo

They are Traitors,Boehner and his supporters and those who would compromise on hard choices and it’s time to put the promise to screw those who abstain next election.It’s time to stand UNITED with the TP . THERE IS NO TOMORROW IF WE DON’T STOP THIS SPENDING INSANITY!! IF WE DON’T STAND UP FOR OUR PRINCIPLES NOW THEN WHEN -2 YEARS HAHAHA, TOO LATE!!!

Garrett York
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Garrett York

Levin is right on the money. In ’95 when the government shut down, everyone blamed Conservatives and particularly Newt Gingrich. However, the result of that standoff was balanced budgets, projected surpluses and Welfare reform. Politics isn’t a game, it’s war. You don’t try to get small victories in favor of winning a bigger battle down the road, you dig in, stand firm, and hold the line. Sometimes you pull all the excess weight out of some B-25’s and bomb Tokyo with little hope for return and no significant damage to the enemy because it’s a way of telling the enemy that they shouldn’t get comfortable, and we’re coming or them (don’t know what I’m talking about? Google “Jimmy Doolittle”). No more “compromises” in favor of trying to get a victory. No debt ceiling raises. No taxes. Fight and win, or die in flames. Anywhere in between is subjugation to indentured… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

We do want a balanced budget BUT we DO NOT want a bi-patrisan commission to DECIDE how to do it. That is te RESONSIBILITY of congress in open debate.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Sorry, but this needs to be said: Smart as Levin is, he’s not a great political field general.

Persephone
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Persephone

::cough::

I love you, Mr. Levin.

But you were one of the ones who were telling us to “shut up” or be ridiculed…just a few months ago, if we talked about Obama’s birth certificate and shady past.
And you were not alone.
Glenn Beck, Hannity, lots of conservatives and even Sarah Palin…were all buying into the meme of “shut up or be ridiculed”.

You stomped on our fervor.
You made us feel ridiculous for being stubborn about the Constitution.
And now you want to resurrect that fervor and stubbornness.

Very well.
I’m working on it.

But you, Mr. Levin, were advocating that same strategy of “shut up and go along with it” for political reasons…that you are now condemning as ‘Cowardice’.

Garrett York
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Garrett York

“But you, Mr. Levin, were advocating that same strategy of “shut up and go along with it” for political reasons…that you are now condemning as ‘Cowardice’. ”

You can’t possibly think the stand on the current budget is the same thing as the birther movement. Please ell me you are not so far removed from reality that you actually think these two things are comparable. Birthers are rightly ridiculed and make the conservative movement look bad. Those who stand on their principles to do the right thing should be encouraged to stay on that path. Let the Democrats own their self-made mess. Don’t lump this in with the idiotic birther movement.

Persephone
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Persephone

So voicing concern about a huge precedent being created which nulifies the Constitutional requirement for presidential eligibility…is “idiotic”. And anyone who is concerned about that should be “rightly ridiculed”. Okay, I think I’ve got it. How silly of me to be concerned about something so insignificant as that. Those aren’t the principles that are worth standing up for. Your comment is an illustration of the same sort of brainwashing that TeamObama will use to demonize people who make a stand against this budget and debt ceiling issue…and you are confirming how well it works. But we should completely oppose him on any increase of the debt limit. Right? Hey, I love it. I don’t want any increase in it either. And I’ve also wanted a BBA for nearly two decades now. I just hope they don’t come up with a mean name for us like ‘birthers’, because then that would… Read more »

Garrett York
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Garrett York

The idea that there is “legitimate concern” when it comes to the birther movement is laughable. He produced the birth certificate. Move on to something more tangible, like reality.

Birthers are absolutely rightly ridiculed because theirs is a cause rooted in fantasy. Your dogmatic continuance to compare it to the debt ceiling talks is laughable at best.

Garrett York
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Garrett York

“But you, Mr. Levin, were advocating that same strategy of “shut up and go along with it” for political reasons…that you are now condemning as ‘Cowardice’. ”

You can’t possibly think the stand on the current budget is the same thing as the birther movement. Please ell me you are not so far removed from reality that you actually think these two things are comparable. Birthers are rightly ridiculed and make the conservative movement look bad. Those who stand on their principles to do the right thing should be encouraged to stay on that path. Let the Democrats own their self-made mess. Don’t lump this in with the idiotic birther movement.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Ahhhhhh…… that wasn’t exactly ‘whispering sweet nothings in my ear’ – but it had the same effect! Mark Levin was positively ROMANTIC tonight. When I need me some sweet talk, he does it best.

Brian Wilson
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Brian Wilson

Krauthammer’s a good man? Has this good man ever said anything nice about Sarah Palin? He is an obnoxious establishment type who has nothing but contempt for ordinary Americans. Levin is another who is trying to claim the tea party movement as his own (notice his constant use of the word “us”). But, in this monologue, he says to pass the Ryan plan. The Ryan plan claims to cut 5.8 trillion over the next ten years, but that is only if you accept the corrupt government accounting trick of baseline budgeting. In fact, the Ryan plan increases the national debt by over 5 trillion dollars over the next decade and never results in a balanced budget. (Look it up – my source is Forbes) The Ryan plan is a sham, and most tea partiers know it, even if Levin does not. The best deal, the only deal worth making, is… Read more »

PK
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PK

“The Ryan plan is a sham, and most tea partiers know it, even if Levin does not.”

On your twisted logic, do you claim to speak for most tea partiers? The altered reality non argument don’t even warrant a refudiation.

Brian Wilson
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Brian Wilson

And by completely ignoring the numbers, from Forbes, you are certainly avoiding any “refudiation”.

Yes, most tea partiers, from my experience, are much more serious about smaller government and less spending, something that few in the Republican party, including Levin, seem to actually endorse. That is my impression.

The Ryan plan results in a bigger government and more debt. The same thing happened from 2001 to 2007, when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency. That is the substance of my argument, which you fail to address. Instead, you launch an ad hominem.

PK
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PK

“The Ryan plan results in a bigger government and more debt.” Paul Ryan’s budget proposal is the most comprehensive roadmap towards a balanced fiscal budget. His budget proposal achieves deep spending cuts — including Reform of entitlement and pension spending (which comsume the major pie of gov expenditures) and the repeal of ObamaCare which will further save $trillions per CBO on the unfunded liability. It’s beyond logic how can his plan results in a bigger government and more debt than the current Obama adminstration and the burgeoning trillion dollars debt? Just pure logic. Pointing out false logic and altered reality are not ad hominem, my friend. But most most would agree that the implementation of Paul Ryan’s budget plan is only possible with the political climate change after Nov 2012 — with an authentic fiscal conservative constitutional governance. Sarah Palin endorsed and supported Paul Ryan budget plan from day one.… Read more »

Brian Wilson
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Brian Wilson

What you call “cuts” are actually spending increases. They are only “cuts” if you use Washington’s false accounting gimmick of baseline budgeting.

Your entire first paragraph is filled with generalities, which you claim to be the result of “logic and math”.

Here is the math from Forbes magazine:

http://blogs.forbes.com/michaelpollaro/2011/04/19/the-us-governments-fiscal-plight-an-enormous-problem-without-a-solution/

I don’t regard Sarah Palin as an expert on macroeconomics, nor is she my ideal politician. I merely cited her as an example of “nice guy” Krauthammer’s nastiness.

PK
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PK

If you want to cite a crediable source, then go to the original CBO long-term analysis of Paul Ryan’s budget proposal. http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12128/04-05-Ryan_Letter.pdf Effects of the Proposal on the Federal Budget According to CBO’s projections, Chairman Ryan’s proposal would significantly reduce mandatory outlays for health care relative to the amounts projected in both of CBO’s long-term scenarios. In addition, the proposal would substantially reduce spending on other mandatory programs (other than Social Security) and discretionary programs compared with the amounts projected in CBO’s long-term scenarios. Those reductions, combined with no proposed changes to Social Security and with the path of revenues specified by the Chairman’s staff, would result in much lower deficits and debt in the long run than the amounts in CBO’s scenarios. Under the proposal, the federal budget would show a deficit of about 2 percent of GDP in 2022, a slight surplus in 2040, and a surplus of… Read more »

Brian Wilson
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Brian Wilson

The Congressional Budget Office numbers you just threw out admits deficits for the next ten years but then predicts a surplus in 40 years. Talk about stupid! The only thing you can bank on is those next ten years of added debt. Wow – what a deal! What political courage! Yeah, we’ll run up deficits for another 10 years or so, but then it’ll balance out. TRUST US!!!!!

Since you seem oblivious to my continued criticism of the fallacy of baseline budgeting (something I originally learned about years ago from Rush Limbaugh), here’s a clear explanation from Rand Paul, from last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEe0vQwkpUY

Brian Wilson
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Brian Wilson

Here’s Rush Limbaugh, from 2 days ago, also attacking the fallacy of baseline budgets. Just in case Rand Paul isn’t conservative mainstream enough for you.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_072711/content/01125106.guest.html

All current plans, be they Boehner or Ryan, use baseline budgeting to claim cuts when they are really running up more deficits and debt for years to come. Oh yeah – the CBO, which apparently can see 40 years into the future and make accurate predictions, says it will be a surplus one day!

PK
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PK

Case in point:-)
“The Ryan plan is a sham, and most tea partiers know it, even if Levin does not.” “The Ryan plan results in a bigger government and more debt.”

PK
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PK

If you want to cite a crediable source, then go to the original CBO long-term analysis of Paul Ryan’s budget proposal. http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12128/04-05-Ryan_Letter.pdf Effects of the Proposal on the Federal Budget According to CBO’s projections, Chairman Ryan’s proposal would significantly reduce mandatory outlays for health care relative to the amounts projected in both of CBO’s long-term scenarios. In addition, the proposal would substantially reduce spending on other mandatory programs (other than Social Security) and discretionary programs compared with the amounts projected in CBO’s long-term scenarios. Those reductions, combined with no proposed changes to Social Security and with the path of revenues specified by the Chairman’s staff, would result in much lower deficits and debt in the long run than the amounts in CBO’s scenarios. Under the proposal, the federal budget would show a deficit of about 2 percent of GDP in 2022, a slight surplus in 2040, and a surplus of… Read more »

PK
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PK

If you want to cite a crediable source, then go to the original CBO long-term analysis of Paul Ryan’s budget proposal. http://www.cbo.gov/ftpdocs/121xx/doc12128/04-05-Ryan_Letter.pdf Effects of the Proposal on the Federal Budget According to CBO’s projections, Chairman Ryan’s proposal would significantly reduce mandatory outlays for health care relative to the amounts projected in both of CBO’s long-term scenarios. In addition, the proposal would substantially reduce spending on other mandatory programs (other than Social Security) and discretionary programs compared with the amounts projected in CBO’s long-term scenarios. Those reductions, combined with no proposed changes to Social Security and with the path of revenues specified by the Chairman’s staff, would result in much lower deficits and debt in the long run than the amounts in CBO’s scenarios. Under the proposal, the federal budget would show a deficit of about 2 percent of GDP in 2022, a slight surplus in 2040, and a surplus of… Read more »

Brian Wilson
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Brian Wilson

And by completely ignoring the numbers, from Forbes, you are certainly avoiding any “refudiation”.

Yes, most tea partiers, from my experience, are much more serious about smaller government and less spending, something that few in the Republican party, including Levin, seem to actually endorse. That is my impression.

The Ryan plan results in a bigger government and more debt. The same thing happened from 2001 to 2007, when Republicans controlled both houses and the presidency. That is the substance of my argument, which you fail to address. Instead, you launch an ad hominem.

NJK
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NJK

Boehner is not trustworthy. I can’t stand the sight of him anymore. Go to hell Boehner. We want nothing to do with you.

Everyone, please donate only to those candidates who prove worthy, or the Senate Conservatives Fund. I throw out everything that come to me from the RNC or GOP. I want nothing to do with them. SarahPac is good too.

NJK
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NJK

Boehner is not trustworthy. I can’t stand the sight of him anymore. Go to hell Boehner. We want nothing to do with you.

Everyone, please donate only to those candidates who prove worthy, or the Senate Conservatives Fund. I throw out everything that come to me from the RNC or GOP. I want nothing to do with them. SarahPac is good too.

Duane Eugene Pounder
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Duane Eugene Pounder

You are also a “GOOD MAN” Mark L…!
I saw you in the Undefeated Move, You are going to have a Political explosion this September.

Duane Eugene Pounder
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Duane Eugene Pounder

You are also a “GOOD MAN” Mark L…!
I saw you in the Undefeated Move, You are going to have a Political explosion this September.

Velvet
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Velvet

I just love it when Mark nails it so hard the wood splits! I wonder if he should start having a medic at his side, sometimes I do think his head and/or heart will explode. God Bless you Mr. Levin

Anonymous
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Anonymous

we need a house FULL of Levin’s for this “Cold War” being fought on US soil!

neo_freedom
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neo_freedom

Sarah Palin Presidential Candidate for the PATRIOT LIBERTY TEA PARTY 2012 .

odin147
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odin147

i don’t blame boehner i blame the american people, if they cared they would call and make sure that ccb passed…but not enough of them called…if the folks don’t care then why should those who represent them care ?.

sDee
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sDee

Well we all deserve a lot of blame for being asleep on our watch over the Republic, for decades. But now they have heard us and now they choose to ignore the will of the people. Boehner is giving us the finger.

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

Yep….my Republican Senator actually responded and told me that he was for the Senate plan…Sorry a-hole, the House sends you the plan and it’s up to you guys to move it through.

sDee
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sDee

My elephant senator too – why we must repeal the 17th Amendment.

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

x1,000,000

Rshill7
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Rshill7

You know, with Michigan having all branches of Gov. in republican hands plus sec state, there’s no freakin’ way we’d have Stabenow and Levin as senators. I can feel the result of the 17th amendment today, and so can you. That’s 2 of the 3 votes that killed cut/cap/balance right there!

Was 1913 an evil year or what!?

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

Yep-

Term limits (1 for Senate and POTUS, 2 for Congress)
Redistricting (all equal sized blocks across the U.S. like a grid- deal with it)

should be added to the list- there are many more very good ideas in an old episode of GB’s TV show.

ReneePA
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ReneePA

I like 2 for the POTUS.

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

POTUS has no business ever campaigning or fundraising— this guy should show the extreme to which it’s abused and it should not be funded off the taxpayer.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Very true – never again.

odin147
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odin147

are there enough of us…is the question, are there enough of us who have the strength to withstand the short term crisis to fix the long term crisis, because it is very tough to do, when you lose a job it is very tough, no income coming in, when will you get the next job, the last thing you think about is the country and it’s deficit, people tend to lash out and vote democratic such times, they give into class warfare, very few people have the courage to see the big picture during such times, it is human nature and dems are very good at using that weakness, this is what this debate comes down…the rino’s dont want to take that risk, the conservatives believe there are enough folks with strength but im this case i think the conservatives are wrong..unfortunately.

sDee
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sDee

Right on cue – a Malaise speech. Aren’t those the conditions of revolutions? All we need is the fire and the fight. Some 2008 numbers to ponder.

Citizens eligible to vote: 206 million
Registered to vote: 131 million
Citizens eligible to vote but not registered: 75 million
Registered voters who did not vote: 15 million.

Eligible America voters who did not vote: 90 million
Votes Obama won by: 10 million

(one more thing….the NRA just released an interesting number – there are 10 million gun owners in America not registered to vote)

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

Yes, it’s tough, and the family has been nearly destroyed, as has religion and “doing the right thing”…..It can end in a civil war with destabilizing factors from outside, but at this point, it’s better to turn around and face it, than to hope it goes away because our politicians have shown that they do not care to fix the problem, but instead prolong it and make the situation worse when it comes time to pay the piper.

odin147
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odin147

i agree unfortunately most folks dont think this way, they will succumb to the dem talking points, and if obama gets elected then we won’t have a crisis rather a permanent serfdom, lower standard of living, more leveled society, but there wont be a crisis…we will just be in debt a long time, dollar will be devalued, and life will go on…with a massive state dictating what we drive, what health care we get ,life will be one long wait in a queue.

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

I’ve ranted here once about how the “serfdom” has been slided into our way of life….where we were given an illusion of non-inflation while most products were imported from China so that the perceived impact was lower….now our money is worthless, but also at a turning point.

I want to give up, but I know others are still in the fight, and I want to help. Hopefully this site can become a base of people that believe America is not ready to be a Socialist state.

odin147
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odin147

i agree unfortunately most folks dont think this way, they will succumb to the dem talking points, and if obama gets elected then we won’t have a crisis rather a permanent serfdom, lower standard of living, more leveled society, but there wont be a crisis…we will just be in debt a long time, dollar will be devalued, and life will go on…with a massive state dictating what we drive, what health care we get ,life will be one long wait in a queue.

Maroon Republic
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Maroon Republic

Need to keep electing conservatives and force Boehner out as speaker. No third parties. Keep hope alive and we will win this.

Rshill7
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Rshill7

That sounds good. The bad guys took over the democrat party, the good guys should properly take over the republican party.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

They better or else!

sDee
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sDee

That is the hill we have to take. Now……….who might there be, not dug in up there, who could lead the charge? grin

Rshill7
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Rshill7

I’m not 100% sure but I’ll bet it rhymes with Bear-a-nailin’.

sDee
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sDee

grin could be, could be

The debt limit battle is not about the debt limit – it is the first Tea Party skirmish.

Rshill7
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Rshill7

I’m not 100% sure but I’ll bet it rhymes with Bear-a-nailin’.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Sovereignty vs. Despotism, such an easy choice.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

A no brainer smile

sDee
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sDee

Here is the clip Levin is talking about – McCain on the Senate floor absolutely slandering the Tea Party politicians. His true colors shine here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xt5OE3_3zvM

neo_freedom
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neo_freedom

thank you sDee .

The Wizard of Oz
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The Wizard of Oz

I’m going to have to turn on the radio tonight and listen to Levin. This is absolute insanity what is going on right now, and most other radio hosts are too nice and, possibly, not cynical enough to get into the real nitty gritty of what’s going on. Levin is spot on in this clip- I now regret having had any confidence in these cowards. McConnell, Boehner, and Cantor set off my radar early on, and I ignored it….bonehead move.

PK
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PK

Boehnergeddon. Boehner is forging ahead with the vote tonight putting his own leadership on the line? good. I hope all the Tea Party congressmen stand strong.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

I’ve said this before, Levin is a throwback from the 1770’s. I could so see Levin meeting in a local pub in Boston discussing the “taxation without representation” issue with the local colonist. He is a true conservative!

sDee
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sDee

Mark Levin has a gift of cutting to the essential simplicity of problems and a solution.

The political establishment thrives on hopelessly over complicating the most simple of problems.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Indeed!

Dave C
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Dave C

That’s not a bug but a feature to them.

Goldni007
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Goldni007

I could go both ways on the whole thing. Problem is, there just is not enough Conservatives in the Congress. We just don’t have the numbers.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

….not yet.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Love your attitude.

PhillyCon
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PhillyCon

RS:
Is this the segment where Levin states that its the conservatives preventing a 3rd party?

PhillyCon
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PhillyCon

RS:
Is this the segment where Levin states that its the conservatives preventing a 3rd party?

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