Liberals are MELTING DOWN because Chuck Todd called out AOC on her Nazi comment!

There is a liberal meltdown going down because Chuck Todd had the temerity to stand up to their newest political demi-god, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez.

And boy is it delicious:

Remember Carlos Maza? He’s still licking his wounds from screaming at YouTube impotently.

This guy is a Democratic political strategist:



LOL!!

Even AOC is pissed off:

But that is dishonest – she said “never again” and we all know that refers to the Nazis, so she’s lying again to cover her AOC after looking like a moron.

And here’s the stupidest man with a modem:

Ahhh, now it doesn’t matter anymore. You know they lost an argument when they start whining that it’s just semantics.

This is too fun:

BUT, you know what? Kudos to Chuck Todd. We call them out when they are hypocritical and unfair, let’s be intellectually honest and praise them when they are fair and reasonable. Good job, Chuck.

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181 thoughts on “Liberals are MELTING DOWN because Chuck Todd called out AOC on her Nazi comment!

  1. Wow! Never thought you had it in you Chuck. Whether your able to stand against the monsters you helped create, still remains to be seen. Never the less… kudos for calling out her despicable behavior. Who know’s, maybe one day you may be inspired to start a Walk away Movement of your own.

  2. “bad faith right-wing attack lines” — clueless. The only bad faith attack line came from leftist AOC.

  3. Todd is still a sneering Leftist and will now redouble his efforts to regain his credibility with his Marxist admirers.

  4. Why are so many protecting AOC ………………….she’s only going to have one term in Congress. SMH at the stupidity.

      1. @cheetobuster The corps in the movie, “Weekend At Bernie’s” could run against her and win.

    1. @sjmom AOC is so supremely confident in her own moral and intellectual superiority that she has no problem broadcasting anything that bounces around in her cranium, with no filter.

      And, like the Emperor’s New Clothes, for some reason the Dems are convinced that whatever she says must be right and smart, so they will blindly defend it, no matter how nonsensical it is.

      This is very frustrating but ultimately can be a good thing because anyone observing this who is not under the brainwashed spell can see how stupid and wrong she is.

      And every once in a while, you might get someone like Chuck Todd who rouses from the spell to say, “Hey wait a minute! This isn’t right!”

      1. @nc…………AOC is a little too over confident. Can’t help but think of this verse in Proverbs 16:18
        “Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

    1. No way PVG. Let her talk ALL SHE WANTS!. Let her be the face of the Socialist party this election. It all but secures a GOP win

  5. I knew as soon as I saw that Todd had one moment of decency that the mob he helped to create would come after him. None of those on the left ever saw that they would not be able to control that mob and that it would not always be aimed at a Republican.

    Will he step back and apologize as most people do when the mob attacks?

  6. I concur with Todd’s chastising idiot, AOC for her ridiculously ignorant concentration camp comment, but I condemn him for taking the opportunity to spew the same intentionally dishonest talking points regarding the republican’s and Trump’s position on immigration and the border.

  7. There’s such a huge difference from what is going on at the border and the Nazi concentration camps. The Nazis went around to round up the Jews and anyone who dared to help them and put them in horrible torture camps. At the border, our government is simply stopping people from coming in illegally. Anyone who tries to equate the two is just dishonest.

  8. Well THAT should teach Chuck from sneaking off of the plantation. After a good sound beating, he will apologize in robotic tones and stick to the propaganda book!

  9. Let this be a reminder when the Left starts calling for “civil discourse” and “compromise” this coming election & for the long term until these froot loops come to their senses & ditches this anti-semetic garbage.

    And yeah you stupid socialist turds…she was invoking the concentration camps of WW2. When you say, “Never Again” & the Yad Vashem in Israel calls you out on your crap, you screwed up

  10. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez surely isn’t the brightest, but ONE thing she is good at is trolling. She craves constant attention and she is getting because there is always someone willing to take the bait.

    1. Baiting people like us ……..who can’t keep from commenting about her ….. she is click bait. And part of our national zeitgeist. Hot chicks sill sell. Admit it. It is all visual; not substance.

  11. Has Cortez visited the border or these facilities? I really don’t know, but it doesn’t sound like it. There are plenty of people “on her side” besides Chuck Todd coming out against her running off at the mouth. She makes me tired.

  12. So the blind squirrel found the broken clock. Ok, but he seemed sincere so I’ll take it. Good job Chuck! Now, please, stand your ground and don’t apologize, the sh*tstorm coming your way will be fierce.

  13. So, if I run for congress and win I then receive a salary of $174,000 per year, plus benefits, and get to go around spouting my thoughts to the media and become famous? That’s it, nothing else I have to do? Count me in.

    1. Are you a Democrat? Because you have to be a Democrat then all media – left, right, neutral – will give you lots and lots of face time.

    2. @rkjames Don’t forget that you’ll also receive substantial cash payments from the #1 sponsor of the marxist democrat party in America, George Soros.

    3. You do have to have certain …..(ahem)……. physical attributes to quality. Ugly, fat chicks just don’t get the same love.

      Do you immediately click Muslim Tlaib the same way you click red lips and eyebrows hoping she will bend over in another low cut top?

  14. All those people pitching a fit should quit their jobs, head down to the border, and help out. None of them will though.

    1. And they all would scream bloody murder if those same illegals were dropped off in their neighborhoods. They are all for those people coming here as long as they go elsewhere. Hypocritical bunch of NIMBYs.

      Full disclosure in case someone wondered: I have lived in VERY ethnically and economically diverse neighborhoods with large numbers of LEGAL immigrants so living with people of other races or cultures would never be a problem for me. BUT that being said I don’t care what color a person is (including white) I don’t want to live among people who are lawbreakers and think that they are entitled to my hard earned tax dollars.

    2. Exactly right! Send them all down there, make them baby sit so our BORDER PATROL AGENTS can get back to doing the work they were trained to do, PROTECT OUR BORDERS.

    3. @plotevil :clapping: I’d like to add that it should be required of every marxist/liberal/progressive politician, college professor and high school teacher to spent one month of the summer working at the border under supervision. Something tells me that spending one night on patrol and coming in contact with MS13 gang members, sex traffickers or drug coyotes would cause them to have involuntary bowel purgings.

  15. The “real” outrage here is that AOC compared ICE detentions to concentration camps – and isn’t punished for it! That’s what’s got me riled…

    1. Exactly. Where is the cowardly gop leadership on this? You have this twit and the muzzie jihadists, talib and omar who spew anti-semitism and their hate for the United States without repercussion. Steve King was punished and had committee assignments taken away.

    2. Oh, she’ll be punished. Ol’ Nancy has decided. The DNC would rather have a Republican in that seat than AOC.

      1. I think Nancy knows that she’d be cutting her own throat if she doesn’t support AOCs re-election but I don’t doubt that she’d be relieved if AOC went down in flames!

        1. @buzzkill59 AOC’s approval numbers amongst her constituents has hit rock bottom. She’s so despised by her constituents that I highly doubt that she would win a second term. She has consistently humiliated herself and thus her constituents. Right now a gerbil could run against her and win.

    1. You’re all bent out of shape because you were called out for your lies reminicent of George Soros leftists.

      Take your own advice and stop whining already!

    2. I figure if anyone here would despise the cops, it’d be me. But you, why? How many times have you been arrested? Granted, there is a sliver of truth to what you say, sometimes, regarding the cops but you take cases and throw a wide blanket over all of them. It doesn’t upset me when you say some of this stuff except for the fact that you cast such a wide net.

        1. I’ve been arrested seventeen times, yes, seventeen, and I still don’t hold these same opinions as yourself. I’m one of the few who was willing to go to jail based on principles. Know how many followed that talked a good game? Exactly, zero. None. Nada.

          Granted, some of those arrests were totally warranted and I hold no ill will towards those cops for doing their jobs. But, many of those arrests were BS. And I despise those cops that did that to me. However, I don’t blame every cop for the actions of others. That would be ludicrous.

          1. However, I don’t blame every cop for the actions of others.

            I don’t blame every cop. That’s the mistake that everybody makes which they then go bonkers over and screech that I’m a cop-hating anarchist (because they’re too f***ing stupid to make an actual argument in support of their mommy government paternalist “greater good” progressive bullshit).

            I blame the institution of law enforcement. Law enforcement is seriously and fundamentally broken in this country. That’s largely at the hands of the masters who tell their dogs to go out and hunt, but it ain’t like the dogs say no either. It’s just broken at all levels – and it’s the individual citizen who gets the receiving end of it all, when he’s done absolutely nothing to anybody.

            That’s wrong. I don’t care what rationalization you have, that’s wrong. And the thick-skulled morons who fight me on it are horrible, horrible human beings.

            1. That has more holes in than swiss cheese. I don’t think you’re some anarchist. I think you have a contradictory thought process. Yes, there are flaws and I’m one of the few who’s actually put their money where their mouth is. Fix the flaws, fight the flaws. Nut up instead of talk because that’s all I’m hearing, respectfully, is talk. With all this big talk it’d seem you’d have some actions to go along with it. I’ve seen no examples put forth as of yet. Just blanket, empty utterances that, in the end, add up to nothing.

              I’ve fought those bad laws and those who carried them out with actions and those bad actors and bad laws won. Why? Because there are more people like yourself who go off on blogs where it’s safe and comfy and a hell of a lot less of folks like me who are willing to sit in a jail cell to back up what I believe in.

              I used to hold a very low opinion for those who got their eyebrows raised, beat their chests, sound brave in the comfort of their homes but lo and behold, when it was time to put up or shut up…..they bent over and cowered. You know, those same folks you rail against but decide to join, in the end, because it’s easier to talk than act.

              1. The flaws are flawed principles, ryan. And, as is evident from even as conservative a site as this one, there’s far too many people willing to go right along with those flawed principles because it suits some bullshit fear-sating crap like “public safety” or “greater good.”

                I do what I can with that. Whether it’s on a blog or in real life. I used to offer a free seminar on how to beat DUIs (both at stops and after arrests), once upon a time. Did it once a month for like four years. I was thoroughly castigated for that, as if I was committing some kind of social/moral travesty by doing so. But the people who complained? Again – flawed principles.

                Can’t fix that for you. You gotta do that yourself.

              2. Also, I never got your position on the subject at hand.

                Gotta breathe into a tube to start your car. Yay or nay?

    3. O/T – this should please a few folks here.

      Wow, you packed in two meanings of O/T. “Off Topic” and “Obvious Trolling”.

      AT’s Categories for Fellow Scoopers:
      1. Trump & Cops are evil and out to get us.
      2. Leftist paternalist progressive

      Pick your category. Don’t pretend there are other possibilities.

      1. @trytothink Looks like she was up all night hitting the bottle. Again. She’ll be back to critique our posts when she comes to.

        1. You never said whether you’re for or against this.

          Did I peg you correctly? You’re all about tyranny on the freeways. I’m curious as to whether you support this garbage.

        2. I love how everybody is coming out in support of this paternalistic, anti-freedom bullshit just so they don’t have to bring themselves to agree with me.

          That’s… that’s f***in’ amazing, Doc. Amazing.

      2. There’s also a bunch of rational, objective conservative people. You’re… just not one of them.

        You could be if you want to, y’know.

        1. Never has the aphorism “consider the source” been more appropriate than when disregarding your feeble insults.

          1. It’s not an insult. It’s a fact. And an offer.

            I could help you on your path back, TTT. I’m offering that because I think we need more conservatives in this nation.

            And because I’m the nicest person on the internet.

      1. So… are you for or against this yet another invasion on our lives as we simply desire to travel from A to B, unmolested by the State?

  16. Why do “mothers” get special privileges in our gender bending, no stereotyping role playing days of Democrat domination?

  17. Wow! Never thought you had it in you Chuck. Whether your able to stand against the monsters you helped create, still remains to be seen. Never the less… kudos for calling out her despicable behavior. Who know’s, maybe one day you may be inspired to start a Walk away Movement of your own.

  18. Todd is still a sneering Leftist and will now redouble his efforts to regain his credibility with his Marxist admirers.

  19. “bad faith right-wing attack lines” — clueless. The only bad faith attack line came from leftist AOC.

  20. I knew as soon as I saw that Todd had one moment of decency that the mob he helped to create would come after him. None of those on the left ever saw that they would not be able to control that mob and that it would not always be aimed at a Republican.

    Will he step back and apologize as most people do when the mob attacks?

  21. I concur with Todd’s chastising idiot, AOC for her ridiculously ignorant concentration camp comment, but I condemn him for taking the opportunity to spew the same intentionally dishonest talking points regarding the republican’s and Trump’s position on immigration and the border.

  22. Nice to see Chuck Todd show a little backbone. I take this as a good sign that the SJW/Socialist left is about to be on the ash heap of history.

  23. Nice to see some intellectual honesty from Todd. There can be no doubt what Cortez meant when she used the phrase “never again”. She was referring to nazi concentration camps.

  24. Were the Jews allowed to leave the concentration camps whenever they wanted? NO! They were stripped of all their earthly possessions,separated from family and friends,worked nearly to death,and then killed when they were no longer considered “useful”! Can the invaders being detained at our southern border leave whenever they want? YES! If they choose to go back home to their own country to await their asylum hearing! These people CHOSE to stay in these camps! They get clean beds,three meals daily,and medical care while they wait! Yeah you leftist idiots,it’s just like the NAZI concentration camps! AOC is despicable for making the comparison as are the rest of you who are defending her comparison!

  25. Jail. It’s a jail. And the vast, VAST majority of illegal immigrants don’t stay there more than a few days and they’re released into the country, never to be heard from again.

    These certainly aren’t concentration camps. There’s no abuse, no “re-education”, everyone there has broken immigration law, they’re ALL awaiting trial, they’re fed, housed, clothed, entertained, and have state of the art healthcare.

  26. No one should conclude from his comments that Chuck Todd is fair-minded or objective about the Democrat-made crisis at our U.S. Border. OK, maybe blaming it ENTIRELY on Democrats is a bit of a stretch since, in reality, they are only about 99.9% responsible for it. It is THEY who would not yield a single vote toward securing the Southern border for exactly THIS purpose: to use the humanitarian crisis that they created and watched as it metastasized, as a cudgel with which to flail the GOP in general and Donald Trump in particular.

    But I’m in total agreement with you Soop, the cannibalism amongst the Dems and one of their leading spokespersons is, well, delicious. Would someone please pass the popcorn.

  27. Nice to see Chuck Todd show a little backbone. I take this as a good sign that the SJW/Socialist left is about to be on the ash heap of history.

  28. All those people pitching a fit should quit their jobs, head down to the border, and help out. None of them will though.

    1. And they all would scream bloody murder if those same illegals were dropped off in their neighborhoods. They are all for those people coming here as long as they go elsewhere. Hypocritical bunch of NIMBYs.

      Full disclosure in case someone wondered: I have lived in VERY ethnically and economically diverse neighborhoods with large numbers of LEGAL immigrants so living with people of other races or cultures would never be a problem for me. BUT that being said I don’t care what color a person is (including white) I don’t want to live among people who are lawbreakers and think that they are entitled to my hard earned tax dollars.

    2. Exactly right! Send them all down there, make them baby sit so our BORDER PATROL AGENTS can get back to doing the work they were trained to do, PROTECT OUR BORDERS.

    3. @plotevil :clapping: I’d like to add that it should be required of every marxist/liberal/progressive politician, college professor and high school teacher to spent one month of the summer working at the border under supervision. Something tells me that spending one night on patrol and coming in contact with MS13 gang members, sex traffickers or drug coyotes would cause them to have involuntary bowel purgings.

  29. The “real” outrage here is that AOC compared ICE detentions to concentration camps – and isn’t punished for it! That’s what’s got me riled…

    1. Exactly. Where is the cowardly gop leadership on this? You have this twit and the muzzie jihadists, talib and omar who spew anti-semitism and their hate for the United States without repercussion. Steve King was punished and had committee assignments taken away.

    2. Oh, she’ll be punished. Ol’ Nancy has decided. The DNC would rather have a Republican in that seat than AOC.

      1. I think Nancy knows that she’d be cutting her own throat if she doesn’t support AOCs re-election but I don’t doubt that she’d be relieved if AOC went down in flames!

        1. @buzzkill59 AOC’s approval numbers amongst her constituents has hit rock bottom. She’s so despised by her constituents that I highly doubt that she would win a second term. She has consistently humiliated herself and thus her constituents. Right now a gerbil could run against her and win.

  30. Nice to see some intellectual honesty from Todd. There can be no doubt what Cortez meant when she used the phrase “never again”. She was referring to nazi concentration camps.

  31. Were the Jews allowed to leave the concentration camps whenever they wanted? NO! They were stripped of all their earthly possessions,separated from family and friends,worked nearly to death,and then killed when they were no longer considered “useful”! Can the invaders being detained at our southern border leave whenever they want? YES! If they choose to go back home to their own country to await their asylum hearing! These people CHOSE to stay in these camps! They get clean beds,three meals daily,and medical care while they wait! Yeah you leftist idiots,it’s just like the NAZI concentration camps! AOC is despicable for making the comparison as are the rest of you who are defending her comparison!

  32. Jail. It’s a jail. And the vast, VAST majority of illegal immigrants don’t stay there more than a few days and they’re released into the country, never to be heard from again.

    These certainly aren’t concentration camps. There’s no abuse, no “re-education”, everyone there has broken immigration law, they’re ALL awaiting trial, they’re fed, housed, clothed, entertained, and have state of the art healthcare.

  33. No one should conclude from his comments that Chuck Todd is fair-minded or objective about the Democrat-made crisis at our U.S. Border. OK, maybe blaming it ENTIRELY on Democrats is a bit of a stretch since, in reality, they are only about 99.9% responsible for it. It is THEY who would not yield a single vote toward securing the Southern border for exactly THIS purpose: to use the humanitarian crisis that they created and watched as it metastasized, as a cudgel with which to flail the GOP in general and Donald Trump in particular.

    But I’m in total agreement with you Soop, the cannibalism amongst the Dems and one of their leading spokespersons is, well, delicious. Would someone please pass the popcorn.

    1. You’re all bent out of shape because you were called out for your lies reminicent of George Soros leftists.

      Take your own advice and stop whining already!

    2. I figure if anyone here would despise the cops, it’d be me. But you, why? How many times have you been arrested? Granted, there is a sliver of truth to what you say, sometimes, regarding the cops but you take cases and throw a wide blanket over all of them. It doesn’t upset me when you say some of this stuff except for the fact that you cast such a wide net.

        1. I’ve been arrested seventeen times, yes, seventeen, and I still don’t hold these same opinions as yourself. I’m one of the few who was willing to go to jail based on principles. Know how many followed that talked a good game? Exactly, zero. None. Nada.

          Granted, some of those arrests were totally warranted and I hold no ill will towards those cops for doing their jobs. But, many of those arrests were BS. And I despise those cops that did that to me. However, I don’t blame every cop for the actions of others. That would be ludicrous.

          1. However, I don’t blame every cop for the actions of others.

            I don’t blame every cop. That’s the mistake that everybody makes which they then go bonkers over and screech that I’m a cop-hating anarchist (because they’re too f***ing stupid to make an actual argument in support of their mommy government paternalist “greater good” progressive bullshit).

            I blame the institution of law enforcement. Law enforcement is seriously and fundamentally broken in this country. That’s largely at the hands of the masters who tell their dogs to go out and hunt, but it ain’t like the dogs say no either. It’s just broken at all levels – and it’s the individual citizen who gets the receiving end of it all, when he’s done absolutely nothing to anybody.

            That’s wrong. I don’t care what rationalization you have, that’s wrong. And the thick-skulled morons who fight me on it are horrible, horrible human beings.

            1. That has more holes in than swiss cheese. I don’t think you’re some anarchist. I think you have a contradictory thought process. Yes, there are flaws and I’m one of the few who’s actually put their money where their mouth is. Fix the flaws, fight the flaws. Nut up instead of talk because that’s all I’m hearing, respectfully, is talk. With all this big talk it’d seem you’d have some actions to go along with it. I’ve seen no examples put forth as of yet. Just blanket, empty utterances that, in the end, add up to nothing.

              I’ve fought those bad laws and those who carried them out with actions and those bad actors and bad laws won. Why? Because there are more people like yourself who go off on blogs where it’s safe and comfy and a hell of a lot less of folks like me who are willing to sit in a jail cell to back up what I believe in.

              I used to hold a very low opinion for those who got their eyebrows raised, beat their chests, sound brave in the comfort of their homes but lo and behold, when it was time to put up or shut up…..they bent over and cowered. You know, those same folks you rail against but decide to join, in the end, because it’s easier to talk than act.

              1. The flaws are flawed principles, ryan. And, as is evident from even as conservative a site as this one, there’s far too many people willing to go right along with those flawed principles because it suits some bullshit fear-sating crap like “public safety” or “greater good.”

                I do what I can with that. Whether it’s on a blog or in real life. I used to offer a free seminar on how to beat DUIs (both at stops and after arrests), once upon a time. Did it once a month for like four years. I was thoroughly castigated for that, as if I was committing some kind of social/moral travesty by doing so. But the people who complained? Again – flawed principles.

                Can’t fix that for you. You gotta do that yourself.

              2. Also, I never got your position on the subject at hand.

                Gotta breathe into a tube to start your car. Yay or nay?

                1. If you’ve had DWI’s, hell yes you deserve to do whatever the hell you have to to drive. Surely that isn’t the hill you are trying to die on, is it?

                  Driving drunk is against the law and a person knows that when they do it, right? Who’s fault is that? Most children get that concept. If driving drunk hurt no one but the person themselves? I’d be against a law like that but your rights end where mine begin. The simple fact is is that drunks kill thousands every year. I have a right to life and so does my family. You don’t have the right to take a life away so you can drink.

                  Now, let’s take a seat belt law. I’m totally against it. It’s not the government’s business if I wear it or not and certainly shouldn’t have my hard earned money taken from me because of it. And then if I don’t pay the fine, I damn sure don’t deserve to be taken to jail because of it. I’ll fight that all day, everyday. I’m not depriving anyone of their rights by not wearing a seat belt.

                2. We’re not talking about DWIs. Read the article. We’re talking about EVERYONE. EVERYONE has to blow to start their car. They are proposing that nobody should be able to start their car without first proving they’re not intoxicated. OK, or not OK?

                  Driving drunk is against the law

                  It (like most other traffic laws) shouldn’t be, but that’s a separate discussion.

                  We can discuss that if you want. I disagree that you’re depriving anyone’s rights by driving drunk. You’re depriving them of their rights when you slam your car into them. But not simply by driving while intoxicated. Everyone likes to talk about how drunks kill thousands every year. Meh. Far more of them drive home completely without incident. Why are we punishing that?

                  And why are we now floating the idea of punishing EVERYONE, forcing them to prove their innocence before being allowed the freedom to travel?

                3. Absolutely not. No, no one except for drunks should have to blow in a tube to start their car. In fact, drunks should have their license revoked. Problem solved.

                  Who’s being progressive here, AT? No consequences for your actions? Kinda like abortion, no consequences, right? The life of others be damned? See, you’re contradicting yourself, once again. It’s really hard to keep up with.

                  I have a right to life. There’s no right to drive. It’s a privilege. Weird that you’d consider the thousands of deaths as some pesky side issue. Don’t want to blow something, don’t drink and drive. Don’t play with the lives of others. This is basic, I thought.

                  As I said, if you want to jump on seatbelt laws and things like that, that doesn’t deprive others of their rights, I’ll stand right next to you and fight to the bitter end. Why not die on that hill? But, drunks? Really? You’re too smart for that. You can’t reach me on that one no matter how hard you try because there is no defense for it.

                  You’re right, some folks have a blind devotion to reverence of the police. I don’t get it. Obviously you don’t either. I treat the police like any other citizen of this country. On a case by case basis. You’d be surprised how many cops agreed with my arguments when I refused to do certain things. Cops that wouldn’t pull me over anymore because they knew I was in the right. Then again, their were dickheads who enjoyed their power over me and you could see it all over them and I proceeded to whittle down their manhood right in front of all their colleagues. I spared nothing and paid, but dammit, it was soooooooo worth it.

                4. Who’s being progressive here, AT? No consequences for your actions?

                  What action are you talking about? Driving home drunk without incident? Or driving home drunk and harming another’s person or property?

                  Because those are two vastly different things. If you think there’s a contradiction, which there’s not, it’s because you’re incorrectly equating a harmless act with a harmful one.

                  I have a right to life. There’s no right to drive.

                  No? You wouldn’t consider that a freedom of action that you’re guaranteed by right? A liberty interest that shouldn’t be messed with unless by exercising it you deprive someone else of their rights?

                  Or should driving be considered only a permission? A dispensation of government?

                  Weird that you’d consider the thousands of deaths as some pesky side issue.

                  Yea, it’s not really relevant. We’ve already established a legal remedy for that. You get harmed, you have absolute standing in court to seek redress for the injury. What more do you want?

                  Don’t play with the lives of others.

                  You know you do that every time you get in the car? The lives lost in car accidents in which intoxication was not a factor eclipses those where it was. Statistically, DUI harms are an extreme minority of vehicular harms.

                  So… what. If your argument is that we should have to blow in a tube to drive a car so as to avoid a statistical minority, what the heck should we have to do to avoid the minority? Install a separate braking system and have a professional driver sit shotgun?

                  As I said, if you want to jump on seatbelt laws and things like that, that doesn’t deprive others of their rights

                  DUI doesn’t deprive anyone of their rights either.

                  Slamming your car into someone does. But the mere act of DUI alone does not.

                  You can’t reach me on that one no matter how hard you try because there is no defense for it.

                  Then I’d posit you’re being willfully obtuse. And that to break that, you’re going to have to realize the difference between a harmless act and a harmful one.

                  You seem to be stuck on equating those, I suspect – correct me if I’m wrong – because you’re developing a third category: a dangerous act. And that because a harmless act might be dangerous, it is therefore harmful.

                  But A) that logic doesn’t work. And B) lots of dangerous activities are perfectly acceptable freedoms, so long as they don’t harm anyone else. So why shouldn’t this?

                  Please don’t say you can’t be reached. That tells me that you’re closed-minded, and I don’t want to think that about you.

                  You’re right, some folks have a blind devotion to reverence of the police. I don’t get it. Obviously you don’t either.

                  Yea, it’s creepy and weird – and they’ll be the first to be steamrolled if they ever turn against us.

                  I treat the police like any other citizen of this country. On a case by case basis.

                  I try to treat cops on a case by case basis. But that is not the same in how I will treat law enforcement as an institution in this country.

                  Which is to say with begrudging acceptance of their necessity, but an extreme distrust.

                5. “What action are you talking about? Driving home drunk without incident? Or driving home drunk and harming another’s person or property?

                  Because those are two vastly different things. If you think there’s a contradiction, which there’s not, it’s because you’re incorrectly equating a harmless act with a harmful one.”

                  Dude, really? I’ll just state it plainly. You lose. Whether you know it or not isn’t my problem.

                6. You’re ignoring the deeper principle at play here, ryan.

                  Do you not think those are two different things? Harmless behavior vs Harmful behavior?

    3. O/T – this should please a few folks here.

      Wow, you packed in two meanings of O/T. “Off Topic” and “Obvious Trolling”.

      AT’s Categories for Fellow Scoopers:
      1. Trump & Cops are evil and out to get us.
      2. Leftist paternalist progressive

      Pick your category. Don’t pretend there are other possibilities.

      1. @trytothink Looks like she was up all night hitting the bottle. Again. She’ll be back to critique our posts when she comes to.

        1. I love how everybody is coming out in support of this paternalistic, anti-freedom bullshit just so they don’t have to bring themselves to agree with me.

          That’s… that’s f***in’ amazing, Doc. Amazing.

        2. You never said whether you’re for or against this.

          Did I peg you correctly? You’re all about tyranny on the freeways. I’m curious as to whether you support this garbage.

      2. There’s also a bunch of rational, objective conservative people. You’re… just not one of them.

        You could be if you want to, y’know.

        1. Never has the aphorism “consider the source” been more appropriate than when disregarding your feeble insults.

          1. It’s not an insult. It’s a fact. And an offer.

            I could help you on your path back, TTT. I’m offering that because I think we need more conservatives in this nation.

            And because I’m the nicest person on the internet.

            1. You poor dear. First you’d have to learn a whole lot about logical argumentation and intellectual honesty before you and I could even have a real discussion.

              All that happens now is that you troll people and I interact with you tangentially just to point out how ridiculous you’re being.

              Take this off-topic thread. You wrote, “this should please a few folks here”

              Are you really that delusional? Nobody here even took your bait that I noticed, but you kept harping on people to give you an answer as though you thought someone here wanted mandatory breathalyzers in every car. You’re clearly in la la land and don’t understand the first thing about the people with whom you’re interacting – so it’s not surprising that you think that you have something to teach me.

              Honestly, AT, I don’t think you’re a bad person. I don’t think you’re stupid. But I think you could use someone to talk to who can help you to get grounded and sort through your issues.

              1. Take this off-topic thread. You wrote, “this should please a few folks here”

                It did please a few folks here. The progressive cop-worshipers who believe that freedom should be curtailed for safety and public good.

                as though you thought someone here wanted mandatory breathalyzers in every car.

                They have no problem with the cops shaking down random motorists “for safety.” Why would they have a problem with this?

                Or… are they hypocrites?

                (Hint: They’re hypocrites.)

                1. They have no problem with the cops shaking down random motorists “for safety.”

                  Another delusional position of yours that leads to your blatant strawman. Your ignorance and disregard of evidence that led to valid police stops is on record at TRS. Your words about “random” and “shaking down” are just lies. Obvious lies. Keep on teaching me, AT. Teach me how to be delusional and lie to myself and others.

                2. Your ignorance and disregard of evidence that led to valid police stops

                  Uh huh, and what’s that evidence that makes them valid?

                  They were speeding? Should speeding be a law? Should cops be handing out fines for it?

                  Answer is no. Why? Because nobody is harmed when you, or I, or anybody else drive over the speed limit. Nobody. Not one single person.

                  Speeding does not cause injury. It might CONTRIBUTE to causing injury, but it does not in and of itself cause it. You slamming your car into somebody causes that. If speeding was a factor, then it’s a factor that should be considered in sentencing and punitive damages.

                  But a crime in and of itself? No. F*cking. Way.

                  Same with virtually all traffic laws, where the conduct itself harms no one.

                3. Oh, no. Now you’ve moved from its being a cop who is shaking people down because he’s a bad person to a foaming-at-the-mouth Libertarian take on traffic laws. That’s the problem with intellectually dishonest delusional people – they can’t just make a point and defend it. They have to spider all over, move the goalposts, etc.

                  Really it’s my fault for not learning my lesson and responding to you, hoping you may improve at some point.

                  Yeah, AT, you should be able to drive 100MPH through a school zone drunk as a skunk and as long as you get lucky and don’t hit anyone… you’re GOOD! I wonder why hardcore libertarians always come off as whack jobs and never gather voter support?

                  By the way, Conservatism is based upon experience and pragmatism. It’s not just hard-core Libertarianism with church.

                4. That’s the problem with intellectually dishonest delusional people

                  Oh GFY TTT. I did no such thing. You claimed the police stops are valid. I challenged this notion. Instead of defending it, you whined about changing the subject (I didn’t), and then ignored it completely.

                  You fail to understand the nature of harm and when it occurs. They is one of the most basic concepts there is, TTT. Want me to explain it to you?

                  Yeah, AT, you should be able to drive 100MPH through a school zone drunk as a skunk and as long as you get lucky and don’t hit anyone… you’re GOOD!

                  What the hell is your problem with that exactly? You’ve never stated the wrongs or harms involved, you just shriek about how appalling such a thing is and then couch your argument in popular support.

                  What IS your problem with people exercising inoffensive liberty?

      1. So… are you for or against this yet another invasion on our lives as we simply desire to travel from A to B, unmolested by the State?

  34. Beware folks..some will “act” like they care…in the end, they all come together. Then the power struggle happens. Wonder who wins.Sure as hell won’t be us…

  35. I must say it’s kinda fun (in a sick way) to watch these Dems twist themselves in pretzels to defend AOC, especially when they use the “it’s just words” argument.

    Say, is Dr. Strangelove still banned from Twitter for using the term “tranny” in a tweet? :shutmouth:

    1. @nc-checks-and-balances Last I heard, he still is. 😀 Actually, I would delete the post, but when I try to log in, I go to an account that I was hacked by earlier. It was so much trouble to fix it before I’m not going to bother.

    2. nc checks and balances Your first sentence accurately described the definition of an exercise in futility.

  36. I don’t find anything particularly laudable about Chuck admitting the obvious.

    But the graphic of his besieged head is funny as sh1t.

  37. Well THAT should teach Chuck from sneaking off of the plantation. After a good sound beating, he will apologize in robotic tones and stick to the propaganda book!

  38. Why do “mothers” get special privileges in our gender bending, no stereotyping role playing days of Democrat domination?

  39. There is no reason to praise Chuck Todd. He still believes the ILLEGALS aren’t being treated right and will never call out where the real problem lies. On the feet of democrats pushing for more illegals to come here and not do anything to fix the problem. Not impressed Todd, never will be. You sir have been a pusher of leftist propaganda for far too long.

  40. So the blind squirrel found the broken clock. Ok, but he seemed sincere so I’ll take it. Good job Chuck! Now, please, stand your ground and don’t apologize, the sh*tstorm coming your way will be fierce.

  41. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez surely isn’t the brightest, but ONE thing she is good at is trolling. She craves constant attention and she is getting because there is always someone willing to take the bait.

    1. Baiting people like us ……..who can’t keep from commenting about her ….. she is click bait. And part of our national zeitgeist. Hot chicks sill sell. Admit it. It is all visual; not substance.

  42. Has Cortez visited the border or these facilities? I really don’t know, but it doesn’t sound like it. There are plenty of people “on her side” besides Chuck Todd coming out against her running off at the mouth. She makes me tired.

  43. Let this be a reminder when the Left starts calling for “civil discourse” and “compromise” this coming election & for the long term until these froot loops come to their senses & ditches this anti-semetic garbage.

    And yeah you stupid socialist turds…she was invoking the concentration camps of WW2. When you say, “Never Again” & the Yad Vashem in Israel calls you out on your crap, you screwed up

  44. There’s such a huge difference from what is going on at the border and the Nazi concentration camps. The Nazis went around to round up the Jews and anyone who dared to help them and put them in horrible torture camps. At the border, our government is simply stopping people from coming in illegally. Anyone who tries to equate the two is just dishonest.

  45. Why are so many protecting AOC ………………….she’s only going to have one term in Congress. SMH at the stupidity.

          1. @cheetobuster :clapping: I hope he’s sincere about it because it wouldn’t even be a contest. She embarrasses and humiliates her constituents in Queens, NY every time she opens her stupid and ignorant mouth.

      1. @cheetobuster The corps in the movie, “Weekend At Bernie’s” could run against her and win.

    1. @sjmom AOC is so supremely confident in her own moral and intellectual superiority that she has no problem broadcasting anything that bounces around in her cranium, with no filter.

      And, like the Emperor’s New Clothes, for some reason the Dems are convinced that whatever she says must be right and smart, so they will blindly defend it, no matter how nonsensical it is.

      This is very frustrating but ultimately can be a good thing because anyone observing this who is not under the brainwashed spell can see how stupid and wrong she is.

      And every once in a while, you might get someone like Chuck Todd who rouses from the spell to say, “Hey wait a minute! This isn’t right!”

      1. @nc…………AOC is a little too over confident. Can’t help but think of this verse in Proverbs 16:18
        “Pride goes before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall.”

  46. So, if I run for congress and win I then receive a salary of $174,000 per year, plus benefits, and get to go around spouting my thoughts to the media and become famous? That’s it, nothing else I have to do? Count me in.

    1. Are you a Democrat? Because you have to be a Democrat then all media – left, right, neutral – will give you lots and lots of face time.

    2. You do have to have certain …..(ahem)……. physical attributes to quality. Ugly, fat chicks just don’t get the same love.

      Do you immediately click Muslim Tlaib the same way you click red lips and eyebrows hoping she will bend over in another low cut top?

    3. @rkjames Don’t forget that you’ll also receive substantial cash payments from the #1 sponsor of the marxist democrat party in America, George Soros.

  47. “Did you know 100% of the people who stay in their own countries don’t get detained and separated from their children at the border.”

    1. @toon Well said. I’ll hazard to guess that 95% of liberal democrats have no idea that a great many of the children in these caravans were separated from their parents by human traffickers in their own countries. The ones that were separated from their families are being used to falsely convince the border patrol that they are family members in order to gain asylum.

    1. No way PVG. Let her talk ALL SHE WANTS!. Let her be the face of the Socialist party this election. It all but secures a GOP win

  48. I couldn’t even read all of that. I can’t even stomach much more of this insane leftist BS anymore. Will we ever get back to sanity? Todd will probably come out begging for AOC’s forgiveness tomorrow and regurgitate everything she is saying. It’s madness, total madness is all I can say about the state of these democrat loons. AOC should be in a bar not in congress. The stupid is getting infuriating.

  49. So UpChuck Todd joined Chrissy Matthews this week in a brief spell of sobriety and honesty.

    Someone must have changed the MSDNC bottled water supplier.

  50. Beware folks..some will “act” like they care…in the end, they all come together. Then the power struggle happens. Wonder who wins.Sure as hell won’t be us…

  51. I must say it’s kinda fun (in a sick way) to watch these Dems twist themselves in pretzels to defend AOC, especially when they use the “it’s just words” argument.

    Say, is Dr. Strangelove still banned from Twitter for using the term “tranny” in a tweet? :shutmouth:

    1. @nc-checks-and-balances Last I heard, he still is. 😀 Actually, I would delete the post, but when I try to log in, I go to an account that I was hacked by earlier. It was so much trouble to fix it before I’m not going to bother.

    2. nc checks and balances Your first sentence accurately described the definition of an exercise in futility.

  52. I don’t find anything particularly laudable about Chuck admitting the obvious.

    But the graphic of his besieged head is funny as sh1t.

  53. There is no reason to praise Chuck Todd. He still believes the ILLEGALS aren’t being treated right and will never call out where the real problem lies. On the feet of democrats pushing for more illegals to come here and not do anything to fix the problem. Not impressed Todd, never will be. You sir have been a pusher of leftist propaganda for far too long.

  54. “Did you know 100% of the people who stay in their own countries don’t get detained and separated from their children at the border.”

    1. @toon Well said. I’ll hazard to guess that 95% of liberal democrats have no idea that a great many of the children in these caravans were separated from their parents by human traffickers in their own countries. The ones that were separated from their families are being used to falsely convince the border patrol that they are family members in order to gain asylum.

  55. I couldn’t even read all of that. I can’t even stomach much more of this insane leftist BS anymore. Will we ever get back to sanity? Todd will probably come out begging for AOC’s forgiveness tomorrow and regurgitate everything she is saying. It’s madness, total madness is all I can say about the state of these democrat loons. AOC should be in a bar not in congress. The stupid is getting infuriating.

  56. So UpChuck Todd joined Chrissy Matthews this week in a brief spell of sobriety and honesty.

    Someone must have changed the MSDNC bottled water supplier.

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