Mark Steyn: London rioters are children of stimulus, dependency

Mark Steyn came on Cavuto this morning to talk about the rioters in London, both who they are and why they are angry. As usual Steyn is very enlightening and what he’s describing is very scary when you consider that we are on that same path:



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118 thoughts on “Mark Steyn: London rioters are children of stimulus, dependency

  1. Maybe, just maybe, if we can get out the truly intelligent and informed electorate that must be out there, to vote in 2012, we could have some top Government officials that THINK LIKE MARK STEYN! If not, we’re cooked…

  2. Maybe, just maybe, if we can get out the truly intelligent and informed electorate that must be out there, to vote in 2012, we could have some top Government officials that THINK LIKE MARK STEYN! If not, we’re cooked…

  3. Thank you elmerfud71. The “Grace commision Report”” is shocking. There are none so blind as they that refuse to see!

    1. It kinda changes your perspective when you no longer think that tax dollars fund infrastructure in the US. It did for me. Add on that our taxes have only gone to service the debt for over two generations, and it really hits home. the IRS is the enforcement arm of the Fed Res, and does not collect taxes to run our government. It wipes out the whole idea that it is patriotic to pay taxes crap. Don’t you think?

  4. I wonder what would occur if everyone that pays taxes just stopped doing it until everyone was made to pay THEIR FARE SHARE!

    1. Since our tax dollars go straight to servicing the debt, the banksters wouldn’t get a return on their fake money.

      See “the Grace Commission Report”.

  5. Love Mark Steyn. And you bet your butt what happened over there can happen here. Only difference is alot of us are armed, so it will be alot messier. And the rioting will be cut short where those who are armed are out protecting whats theres. In fact, Im thinking of having a sign made with the picture of the 38 pointed at you that says screw the dog beware of owner. but i want my sign atleast 5’X5′. And Thank God I live in Texas. Crap like that jumps off here and i wont be the only one in my neighborhood packing.

  6. Love Mark Steyn. And you bet your butt what happened over there can happen here. Only difference is alot of us are armed, so it will be alot messier. And the rioting will be cut short where those who are armed are out protecting whats theres. In fact, Im thinking of having a sign made with the picture of the 38 pointed at you that says screw the dog beware of owner. but i want my sign atleast 5’X5′. And Thank God I live in Texas. Crap like that jumps off here and i wont be the only one in my neighborhood packing.

    1. I live in a blue state, so blue the police let the anarchists destroy downtown Seattle several years ago. I shudder to think what would happen here with the entitlement population in this state. The morons erected a statue of Lenin sometime ago….Lenin! Conservatives are in deep doo-doo here.

      1. That was globalist tyranny at the WTO meeting. The cops were ordered to stand down. After the government paid “anarchists” were done, they took the protesters to the airport and processed them in a place that they prepared for it.

        London is doing the same type of thing. Let it get out of control, then come down on the citizens somehow.

        If these hoodlums were attacking the political centers and the monarch rulers, they would get swiftly shot. The people don’t get protection, but the rulers do. We aren’t far from the same scenario.

    2. Protest, riot and looting in Greece, Portugal, Spain … and now London, besieged by the socialist, labor union and anarchist. it’d only just begun.

      It already happened at Wisconcin (to a lesser degree of looting ), lawlessness and thuggery by the public union workers to storm and damage state historical building.

      It is about the culture of entitlement and dependence on nanny-welfare state, the European big-government socialist model. Britain is awaken to the rude reality of austerity measures in order to restore British economy back to fiscal responsibility, fiscal conservatism and sanity.

      If US continues to follow in Europe’s mistaken footsteps, transforming US free market economy into nanny-state, big-government socialist model. Before long we’ll see the “inside-out class warefare, bottom-up rising up of public union workers, commies and anarchist and top-down government claim down on chaos as advocated by Van Jones, when we’ve to face the reality of austerity measures to drastically cut government spending.

      1. Even the markets are tightly controlled. We don’t even have a free market economy to fall back on. Turning the US around toward prosperity will be too painful to engage in politically. It would require getting rid of at least 2/3 of the federal government, the central banksters, the IRS, property taxes, income taxes, etc, etc, etc.

        We are stuck with this system until it collapses under austerity. The question is, what will replace it? Totalitarianism, or freedom?

        1. We need an authentic Reaganesque leadership in 2012 to restore the nation back to constitutional governance and fiscal sanity. Palinomics in lieu of Obamanomics.

          1. When was the last time that you believe we had a constitutional government? We declared bankruptcy in 1933, and gave up our constitutional gold standard in 1973. All of the social systems are unconstitutional. The Patriot Act negated at least four or five of the Bill of Rights. Local control of schools and other things have been gone for a long time. Every foreign war since WW2 was unconstitutional.

            We need Jeffersonesque government, rather than Reaganesque. If we keep compromising, we don’t have a chance. I haven’t heard of Palin wanting to get rid of central banking or fake money altogether. Nor have I heard her say that we need to shut down all the federal Departments that are only serving to control us and such us dry. I haven’t heard her talk about cutting the 1T per year in military spending either. She hasn’t said that she would cut 42% of federal spending, which is how much we borrow to fund our spending.

            I don’t really know exactly what Palinomics would be. I do know specifically what Paul would do. Until I hear her get really specific, I just don’t know. If she doesn’t address at least a 42% cut in federal spending, it won’t matter. Our currency will go down for sure.

            1. We understand exactly Ron Paul the libertarian and what he stands for. Constitutional government does not imply no government involvement in setting fiscal monetary policy and getting rid of central banking or fake money altogather.

              Before you dismiss other’s viewpoint with a broad stroke, as an honest critic, you owe it to yourself to find out what Palinomics stands for, what are the governor’s fiscal economic and energy policy and what Sarah Palin had accomplished with her leadership and energy policy for Alaska that create jobs, growing Alaska’s economic and benefited the state economy with $billion surplus. Undefeated documentary is a good start for you.

  7. Like being trampled in a migration of gnus. The grassland can only sustain for so long, then the herds must move on, trampling the grassland down to the dirt, endlessly.

  8. Like being trampled in a migration of gnus. The grassland can only sustain for so long, then the herds must move on, trampling the grassland down to the dirt, endlessly.

    1. I would rather liken it to a huge pack of hyenas moving through the land destroying everything that supports the lions. The lions could easily band together and destroy their reign of terror, but they have been de-clawed and their teeth removed. So they run and hide like spineless wimps.

      1. Right on elmerfud71, you caught my drift. We must reclaw and retooth the lions, a more healthy savannah is in the offing.

        1. Maybe, along with the manicures and dental work, which I think we need, we should all be lifting our right rear foot and marking our territory on election day.

        2. The people of London need to band together and pick up some sticks to beat back these criminals. If they were all armed with guns, the first fires set, and stores looted would have been the last. English citizens have been neutered and don’t even have the testicles to defend themselves anymore, let alone the tools. Ten citizens with sticks could do enough damage to five hoodlums to put them out of the game.

          When government backs off and lets you get terrorized, you need to stand up and defend yourself.

          There is nothing wrong with defending your life and livelihood. A few broken bones wouldn’t kill anyone.

          1. What I’ve been recommending since the anarchists started riots at G20 meetings, is: jump ’em, unmask ’em, photo ’em, and jail ’em, convict ’em, and charge ’em restitution, and they can perform the repairs to every item they’ve damaged ! Let them feel the sting of the cost of what they do.

            1. That would be nice, but they had the cops there to support them. Some people tried to stop them, and got taken down for it. I we had say, a million peaceful protesters willing to stop them, then maybe.

              Those “anarchists” were followed to apartment housing, and it turned out that the government was paying their rent. Kind of hard to compete with that. They will just hire a bunch more hoodlums for the next run.

              1. Do these kids belong to the Dependent Children’s Union by any chance? Maybe that’s why they’re getting the free pass. Yikes, these kids are being allowed to destroy things they have NO understanding of ! They do need to be given responsibilities and accountability for them. Have all governments gone so crazy? I’m beginning to think so. Heaven help us all!

            2. That would be nice, but they had the cops there to support them. Some people tried to stop them, and got taken down for it. I we had say, a million peaceful protesters willing to stop them, then maybe.

              Those “anarchists” were followed to apartment housing, and it turned out that the government was paying their rent. Kind of hard to compete with that. They will just hire a bunch more hoodlums for the next run.

  9. The debate must move from slogans to facts. I live in Maryland where the Sec: 8 Housing allowance is $1,700.00 per month, under sound banking loan standards this number should be one third of your gross income. So take $1,700.00 X 3 = $5,100.00 now multiply by 12 to get a yearly gross salary. That figure is $61,000.00. Let’s add Medicaid, Food Stamps, Energy Assistance and you add another $5,800.00 per year of Social Benefits. So the basic welfare state in the Great State of Maryland is $72,680.00. Yes, you read this correctly a Welfare family gets more benefits than the Median Household income.
    I have found Obama’s new campaign song.

  10. These people are not political. They are the dumbed down dependent class who is lashing out partially for fun, and maybe somewhat because they are not getting enough cookies from the jar. Austerity is a *itch, and it is coming to America.

    Since the people cannot defend themselves, (no guns) and the authorities are being stood down, this is what they get. If these rioters went after the real enemies of the people, the police wouldn’t stand down, but rather they would start shooting. That is the difference between the political class and the minions and serfs.

  11. These people are not political. They are the dumbed down dependent class who is lashing out partially for fun, and maybe somewhat because they are not getting enough cookies from the jar. Austerity is a *itch, and it is coming to America.

    Since the people cannot defend themselves, (no guns) and the authorities are being stood down, this is what they get. If these rioters went after the real enemies of the people, the police wouldn’t stand down, but rather they would start shooting. That is the difference between the political class and the minions and serfs.

  12. Fortunate enough to have caught some of this. Mark Steyn made reference to the fact that what is happening in England is also what’s happening in California and by reference other liberal states. The middle class is being squeezed between the welfare, I deserve mob and the bureaucrats and are fleeing, eventually leaving no earners in these states. There will come a point of critical mass and then the true price of liberalism will become apparent, just as it is in Europe.

    1. Isn’t it actually “socialism”, and don’t both parties support it? Isn’t socialism just a precursor to fascism, which has begun? Seems to me that liberalism and conservatism are just the underlings of the bigger system.

        1. I would prefer anarchy, because that would mean that there is no huge central government coming down on me. I would have to fend for myself, but I’m all good with that. Anarchy is a system of governing, or the lack of, not the condition that a society is in.

          My preferences in order of desire:

          Strict constitutionalism
          Succession of states into sovereign nations
          Anarchy

  13. It wouldn’t surprise me if Obama used the prospect of rioting as an excuse for “why we can’t cut spending”.
    He has used threats before.

    I saw this on Cavuto’s special show this morning.
    It was great.

    Neal also had Alan West on via phone.
    West said something about how the ‘troops don’t always understand their commanders’ decisions until later’.
    Which is what I have been thinking for some time, in trying to understand Colonel West’s votes on some bills.
    Because while I have been disappointed in some of his votes…I have not wanted to throw him under the bus, until I see how things play out.

    1. It wouldn’t surprise me if Obama used the prospect of rioting as an excuse for “why we can’t cut spending”.
      He also said this,”We’ve got to have a civilian national security force that’s just as powerful, just as strong, just as well-funded.” which is about as ominous as any thing he has ever said.

      1. Ominous…yes, and haunting.
        I remember when he said that, 4Hoppes.
        It has haunted me ever since.

        We don’t know where all that Stimulus money went.
        There are billions and billions that are unaccounted for.

      2. Isn’t that what the youth corps is all about. Not to mention training scouts for “national security”. Homeland security promotes citizen spying all the time. Citizen surveillance is growing everywhere, and is being integrated into federal systems.

        1984 anyone? Don’t say that too loud. You might make it on a government list.

      3. The latest thing is getting gun sellers to report anyone buying more than one gun at a time. Gun shop rats. No legislation, just forced and enforced by the FBI.

    2. I hope Rep. LTC West was using a calculated tactic of playing along just a little bit for a chance to gain more leverage in Congress. Taken as a pure tactical exercise, every member of Congress has a handful of “throwaway” votes to use just that way.

      Having said that, I hope he now realizes just how high-profile his votes are, and comes to understand he’s used up his throwaways.

  14. In other words, the riots are all about spoiled brat kids that are angry because they have to get a job and support themselves instead of demanding that tax payers financially support them.

    1. Pretty much all there is too it, huh? Dumbed down spoiled spineless wimps reverting to their basic human selfish instincts without any moral or political thought being injected into their “cause”. There is not “cause’, just ignorance.

      1. It is also a cover up for just plain thievery and other crimes that have no basis in “social Injustice” as the bleeding heart liberals would have us believe.

        1. If the hoodlum theft was competing with the government theft, government would come down on the hoodlums.

    2. Pretty much all there is too it, huh? Dumbed down spoiled spineless wimps reverting to their basic human selfish instincts without any moral or political thought being injected into their “cause”. There is not “cause’, just ignorance.

  15. Bring it on!!!
    The hard working tax payers of America (Tea Party) are the same folks that support the 2nd amendment. Conversely the liberal, progressive, slacker, drug addled , unemployed looters –moochers and criminals-that make up the American Democratic Socialist party constituents are almost completely unarmed. BRING IT ON I BEG YOU!!!

  16. Bring it on!!!
    The hard working tax payers of America (Tea Party) are the same folks that support the 2nd amendment. Conversely the liberal, progressive, slacker, drug addled , unemployed looters –moochers and criminals-that make up the American Democratic Socialist party constituents are almost completely unarmed. BRING IT ON I BEG YOU!!!

  17. Can there be a program similar to social security that can encourage savings and investment to insure that there is money for the average person at the end of their working life? Sure. The idea that was argued on the record when it was created was not what it is now, but even that would have always been fundamentally flawed as the money for those who never paid into it could never be done without confiscating it from working people then. Therefore the intended “reasoning” behind social security has always been flawed. So how then now that we have this flawed program that will eventually lead to a similar situation facing Britain can we both insure that people close to retirement that would not be able to make up for it in savings between now and then and fix the system for those of us that are 40 years away from retirement or our children? The problem is that it is labeled as a savings program when the funds are evenly distributed throughout the general budget and were never locked away in the first place. So shed the “savings program” and end the ss tax on individuals check and have the government receive their revenue from taxes, instead of creating a false “savings account” to fund those that are too late for us to change course. At this point we either go with a flat tax with a tax rebateable savings account option for people to contribute their own money to while eliminating the tax on that funding, or we can go with the fair tax which makes it much easier the people can use their own savings accounts to do so. Its truly a simple thing, but people always jump out and say fraudulently that we are “pushing grandma off a cliff” by saying these things when we are not even talking about grandma’s social security. I can guarantee that I will get more money out of that system then I will ever get out of social security. Theoretically could social security have accomplished its goal if it were done correctly from the start? Sure. But money and power corrupts, and outright obscene amounts of money and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I cannot trust any human with the responsibility of money that is for my retirement and quality of life when I retire.

  18. Can there be a program similar to social security that can encourage savings and investment to insure that there is money for the average person at the end of their working life? Sure. The idea that was argued on the record when it was created was not what it is now, but even that would have always been fundamentally flawed as the money for those who never paid into it could never be done without confiscating it from working people then. Therefore the intended “reasoning” behind social security has always been flawed. So how then now that we have this flawed program that will eventually lead to a similar situation facing Britain can we both insure that people close to retirement that would not be able to make up for it in savings between now and then and fix the system for those of us that are 40 years away from retirement or our children? The problem is that it is labeled as a savings program when the funds are evenly distributed throughout the general budget and were never locked away in the first place. So shed the “savings program” and end the ss tax on individuals check and have the government receive their revenue from taxes, instead of creating a false “savings account” to fund those that are too late for us to change course. At this point we either go with a flat tax with a tax rebateable savings account option for people to contribute their own money to while eliminating the tax on that funding, or we can go with the fair tax which makes it much easier the people can use their own savings accounts to do so. Its truly a simple thing, but people always jump out and say fraudulently that we are “pushing grandma off a cliff” by saying these things when we are not even talking about grandma’s social security. I can guarantee that I will get more money out of that system then I will ever get out of social security. Theoretically could social security have accomplished its goal if it were done correctly from the start? Sure. But money and power corrupts, and outright obscene amounts of money and absolute power corrupts absolutely. I cannot trust any human with the responsibility of money that is for my retirement and quality of life when I retire.

      1. Think there is any coincidence between where we are headed and the growing government anti second amendment push? Just asking.

        1. It seems most of us on this post can discern that answer to your poignant question, fairly quickly.

    1. I explained why the Fair Tax is not fair as proposed in HR 25, on other threads. The part that is ignorant is assuming that a single person can live on half the money of a couple. The prebate for a single person is 208 per month , while a couple receives almost double. It should be obvious that rent for a couple is not double that of a single person. The utilities for a couple will add only a few dollars per month over that of a single person. Food prices for a couple is not double that of a single person. People with SS as their only income already pay no income tax if their income is 25,000 or less so you can’t argue the fair tax replaces income tax. Back to the 208 dollar per month prebate for a single person. 208 dollars per month will only cover 904.35 of expenditures for a single person. 904.35 will not cover rent, utilities, food, medicine, and other expenses for a single person. My expenses per month for these items alone is 1525.00.
      At 23% that comes to approx 350.00 per month.That leaves me with a loss of approx 142 dollars per month or over 1700.00 per year. There are millions of us that fit into this category. Until they address the assumption that a single person can live at half the expense of a couple, then it won’t go anywhere. Any republican running for president that supports the Fair Tax as it stands now will lose the votes of seniors and will be attacked by the scumbag liberal media. Even couples that could benefit by getting double the prebate won’t like it since they are a heartbeat away from becoming single due to the death of their partner. I would love to get rid of IRS, but not at the expense of the people that paid into the system for half a century. Again, they need to address the prebate for a single person.

      1. Very nice expose on the Fair tax, there is another element involved that younger people will necessarily need to purchase more than older people that can get by purchasing so much less. My wife and I could be okay just purchasing necessities where our grandkids need just about everything.

        1. I am terrified of the elites installing the Fair Tax as given what we have seen from this leftist administration they will install the Fair Tax in addition to all of the other taxes.

      2. One issue with your analysis, at least in my eyes, let me know how I’m wrong. Under the fair tax rent is not taxable, therefore is not calculated into the prebate because you are not paying taxes on it. Also, social security would not be touched as it would be moved into the general fund officially, where it already is in essence, and would be phased out not eliminated entirely. Noone is saying that tomorrow we switch from a progressive income tax to a fair tax overnight. At least none of those running for president right now.

        1. http://www.nahb.org/generic.aspx?genericContentID=90964&channelID=311

          Other types of services would also be subject to the FairTax. For multifamily rental property, all rental payments made by tenants to property owners would be subject to the sales tax. While it is true that such payments would be made from the tenant’s now untaxed income, the relative price of housing costs (whether mortgage payments or rental payments) would be higher relative to other purchases or investments, such as stocks, and this would reduce the overall demand for housing and housing improvements.

          1. Have you visited fairtax.org? Cause in their calculator even someone who pays no federal income tax still benefits slightly from the fair tax even (and I did not know about the rent thing) with that incorporated.

            1. Yes, I have been to that site. The calculator never asked my expenditures per month.Try using my figures I supplied previously and do the math yourself. Use the 23% rate listed in HR 25 and the prebate listed of 208.00 per month. Use your own calculator, not theirs. BTW, I agree with you on most issues.

              1. See..I can take it being tweaked. I just do not like the idea that the government can without cause know what my income actually is. I truly feel that it is an invasive oppressive policy. I’ll try your numbers when I get home more then likely and get back.

              2. See..I can take it being tweaked. I just do not like the idea that the government can without cause know what my income actually is. I truly feel that it is an invasive oppressive policy. I’ll try your numbers when I get home more then likely and get back.

                1. I’m for it if they treat a single person as head of household and base the prebate on that instead of assuming a couple needs to spend twice as much as a single person for necessities like rent,utilities, and food. Nice chatting. Have a great day.

        2. “Noone is saying that tomorrow we switch from a progressive income tax to a fair tax overnight. At least none of those running for president right now. ”

          Not overnight but Cain is in favor of the Fair Tax.

          Herman Cain Explains the Fair Tax

          It’s obvious that although Cain knows more about business than I ever will, he hasn’t done the research i have done on this subject.

          I know there are people that i will save money because prices will be lower. That is hogwash.

          1. Regardless of prices being lower (which would be due to no corporate income tax and reduced regulations based upon the IRS which is most definitely possible) it still mathematically gives you more purchasing power then the current system.

            1. How do I have more purchasing power if I go from paying no income tax to paying 142.00 more than the prebate per month under the Unfair Tax plan. It’s a FAIRy tale that i would save enough to compensate for 142 dollars I would lose. That is the same stupid argument they try to use at that site. I respect your opinions , but if you can’t understand the basic math, there is no use to debate this anymore. I’ll just continue to give this info to the seniors that will be harmed by it. I even supply them with the copies of HR 25 and info on prebates. Have a great day.

      3. One issue with your analysis, at least in my eyes, let me know how I’m wrong. Under the fair tax rent is not taxable, therefore is not calculated into the prebate because you are not paying taxes on it. Also, social security would not be touched as it would be moved into the general fund officially, where it already is in essence, and would be phased out not eliminated entirely. Noone is saying that tomorrow we switch from a progressive income tax to a fair tax overnight. At least none of those running for president right now.

      4. Even if the Fair Tax was fair, we can’t rely on this leftists administration not to get rid of all the other taxes and use just the Fair Tax. I do think we need to get rid of the IRS and the Fed, for starters.

  19. The end result of when the government runs out of other people’s money. Not very pretty, is it?
    Anyone in Washington paying even a little attention????

  20. The end result of when the government runs out of other people’s money. Not very pretty, is it?
    Anyone in Washington paying even a little attention????

  21. “Marinated in the welfare state”
    Exactly Mr. Steyn, the entitlement mentality permeates all societies where the non-producers outnumber the producers.

    1. and the producers being squeezed on both ends. That is really scary to me, as the producers only become a tool to feed the government and the welfare state.

        1. This is why many people in government regulated countries use underground barter systems. I don’t know how these systems work but I heard they are in effect all over Europe now.

          1. We used to have them here, 12Grace…back during the Carter years, and they continued into the 80’s.
            There was a large one, called ‘Barter Systems’.
            It was like a huge nationwide billboard, where people could post what they had that they wanted to trade…and what they were looking for.
            It was done by subscription, if memory serves.
            Old tech.
            All paper and phone calls on land lines.
            [No internet back then.]

            1. Yes, it took off with great success for a while then the I.R.S. made a concerted effort to identify these transactions and tax them. Don’t know where this concept is right now.

              1. Yeah…the IRS killed it.
                I was too young and struggling, to really have anything of worth to barter with back then.
                But I was aware of it going on.

            2. Yes, it took off with great success for a while then the I.R.S. made a concerted effort to identify these transactions and tax them. Don’t know where this concept is right now.

            3. There are still many many barter groups, esp online, the problem is legally speaking you still have to report and pay taxes on the VALUE of the barter, just like your technically suppose to file income taxes on the VALUE for any produce you grow in your private garden.

              The tax code is all inclusive.

              1. Yep….all inclusive and all intrusive.

                The IRS is probably monitoring those sites.
                Or some other taxpayer-funded government snoopers.
                I have read about raids recently on people who are only growing food, selling raw milk, etc….to survive.

                It is yet another outrageous injustice that our government is committing against its citizens.

                1. I have not seen any of that, though it would not surprise me, but I think your referring to the “Raw Foods” raid, which is a private coop or club that people are members of where raw foods including the evil milk, aka unpasteurized milk, is sold to members in CA, or the raids on the Amish farms for the same reason. In CA it was a Local/Federal raid, in the Amish is was purely Federal, both are commerce related not growing for personal consumption….. Not that I agree with the raids at all in the first place as people should be allowed to be educated and still buy anything they want with out the governments approval

              2. Leave it to this government to give illegals, free education, welfare, housing, health care, social services and tax us on so much as trading a tomato for an orange.

            4. There are still many many barter groups, esp online, the problem is legally speaking you still have to report and pay taxes on the VALUE of the barter, just like your technically suppose to file income taxes on the VALUE for any produce you grow in your private garden.

              The tax code is all inclusive.

      1. Sounds like what is happening to America. The businesses that bring jobs and money to our economy are being blamed for stealing from the people that coincidentally don’t even pay federal taxes and live off the sweat and tears of all classes of society.

        The obama leftists uses false racism and classicism so they can more easily divide and conquer us.

        1. I think it was Rush that first stated the safety net has become the hammock, now it has become the Lazy-Boy recliner with a cell phone on one arm rest, a beer on the other armrest sitting in front of a big screen plasma tv. It is not sustainable, but the recievers of these fruits of others labors don’t have the ethics to correct the problem.

          1. you mean you expect people to live with out cellphone, cable tv, broadband internet, computers and plasma tv’s what kind of monster are you!!!!!!!!!!!!

            1. The thing is, I honestly would not know where to begin to avail myself of these commodities. Yet, I know of people who recieve housing, medical, utility, food, transportation and cash subsidies. Their dependency is a product of our compassionate conservatism in a lot of cases.

              1. I know people that have lived their entire adult lives with out ever having a job (if they do work it is under the table for a short period of time never longer than 2 mos), Free Rent, Free Food, Free Utilities, Free everything, They have Cable TV, Home and Cell Phones, Computer, Internet, etc. None of these people are incapable of working they are just lazy

                I also know someone that works 50hrs a week, make a “decent” salary but do to some medical problems and other things outside of this persons control cant not pay all of the bills every month and is getting behind on things.

                Why it is “fair” to steal money from the person that is working but cant make it in order to allow lazy people to “survive”

                In my various jobs over the years I have also had the “pleasure” of working with many Housing Authorities in many states, and I have seen first hand the abuse of system, including many couples that are not legally married the milk the system by having the women get the subsidies while the man works, I know of one couple that was able to do this and save enough money to purchase a house with CASH from the profits of milking the welfare system

                These are not theories but first hand stories witnessed by me directly or told to be by workers at the housing authorities that I have worked with over the years.

                Anyone that thinks that the welfare system is just helping people that need it, need to actually spend some time in these places and see the people that are being “helped” sure there are some that actually need assistance, I know of a few, but these people are often not given ENOUGH assistance because the system is sooooooo taxed by the abusers we can not afford to provide adequate assistance to those that do need it, and the abusers get to live a related easy life milking the system

                1. I have family members who haven’t worked for most of their lives. One is capable of working, but is on the welfare end of SS.

          2. you mean you expect people to live with out cellphone, cable tv, broadband internet, computers and plasma tv’s what kind of monster are you!!!!!!!!!!!!

        2. What do you think Chicago will look like when austerity starts taking hold? People cannot defend themselves, and the cops are corrupt.

        3. What do you think Chicago will look like when austerity starts taking hold? People cannot defend themselves, and the cops are corrupt.

    2. They’ve been raised to feel ‘entitled’, 4Hoppes9.
      A whole generation [or more] that thinks the world owes them something.
      Takers…not producers.
      A looter class.

      So it is no wonder that they have no qualms about taking to the streets and taking whatever they can…and destroying people’s property for ‘sport’ and entertainment.

      ………………….
      And, I agree with everthing that RS, 12Grace and 4Hoppes9 have posted below.
      Well said, guys.

      1. You’re so right about the “non producers” and in my opinion one of the biggest and most flagrant bunch of non producers is the education system that has evolved in this country. They produce an extremely inferior produce but that doesn’t matter to them because they get to keep their jobs. Look at where we rank in education today, disgraceful.

      2. You’re so right about the “non producers” and in my opinion one of the biggest and most flagrant bunch of non producers is the education system that has evolved in this country. They produce an extremely inferior produce but that doesn’t matter to them because they get to keep their jobs. Look at where we rank in education today, disgraceful.

      3. It’s amazing that even people that are illegally in our country think they deserve to dip their greedy hands into our pockets.

        1. To be fair, it’s their leftist advocates in this country that think that way. They go out of their way to push “benefits” on all who are disadvantaged, even if they are at a disadvantage because they broke the law.

          I can’t blame the illegals for accepting what’s pushed onto them.

      4. I swear it’s time we stopped using the word “Liberal” with these people.

        “Progressive” is even more pointless. Rand was right: Looter is the word that applies to all of them. It doesn’t matter whether they are really nice Democrats who happen to support Obamacare, or Liberals who want to tax the rich and kill Big Oil, or hard left Progressives that want to restrict Christians and empower Muslims, or radical leftists that want to burn down Wall Street.

        They are all looters.

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