Michele Bachmann wins Iowa Straw Poll

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Michele Bachmann is the big winner!



1. Michele Bachmann 4823 votes
2. Ron Paul 4671 votes
3. Tim Pawlenty 2293 votes
4. Rick Santorum 1657 votes
5. Herman Cain 1456 votes
6. Romney 567 votes
7. Gingrich 385 votes
8. Huntsman 69 votes
9. McCotter 35 votes

Perry had 718 write-in votes so he would have beaten Romney, Gingrich, Huntsman, and McCotter. Wow!

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UPDATE: It should be pointed out that Michele Bachmann is the first woman to win the Iowa Straw Poll.

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215 thoughts on “Michele Bachmann wins Iowa Straw Poll

  1. Bachmann and Palin clearly articulate Constitutional principles without notes and teleprompters. This indicates that they truly interalize these truths and are not merely spouting slogans to sound conservative. The others? Not so sure. We Americans don’t want to be disappointed again the morning after elections. (A.K.A John McCain).

  2. Although I’d still love to see a Cain/Bachmann ticket, Bachmann/Cain (with the blessing/support of Sarah Palin) would be a beautiful thing. Both are patriots and real leaders. Now that Perry is in, we’ll have to see if he can weather the scrutiny of being an actual candidate. If he can, he may be somewhere in the mix.

  3. Congrats to Representative Bachmann, and Representative Paul for finishing a very strong second.

    In related news, an interesting fact:

    Separately, attendees voted in a corn kernel poll, which measures the support of each Republican by the number of kernels in their respective Mason jar. By late morning, the kernel level in Sarah Palin’s jar rose just above the best-known GOP candidates — even though the former Alaska governor has not declared her intentions yet for 2012.
    http://www.rollcall.com/news/ames_straw_poll_results_boost_bachmann_and_paul_dent_pawlenty-208133-1.html?pos=opolh

    Also, this commentary by a reporter for the Des Moines register is of interest:

    Obradovich: Bachmann’s winning roses will be short-stemmed

    Many of the voters I talked to today said they were supporting their chosen candidate for today, but were still playing the field for the caucuses. So Bachmann will have to prove all over again that she can go the distance. If she can’t, the Ames poll’s straws will seem a lot shorter next time.

    It will be Bachmann’s performance going forward, as well as that of Perry, Romney and other contenders, that will determine whether future winners get roses or just the stems.

    http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/08/13/bachmanns-winning-roses-will-be-short-stemmed/

    So, yes, Bachmann won, but she now has to prove herself to the voters, as do all the other participants in the poll.

    Obradovich is not the only political commentator who attended the Ames straw poll, who spoke with those who attended and voted, and has concluded that while yes Representative Bachmann won, her support is soft and that the primary race in Iowa for the GOP Presidential nomination remains very fluid at this juncture.

    Perry’s result should not be a surprise to those who were familiar with what was going on in Iowa. A PAC associated with Perry has had paid consultants on the ground since mid-July in Iowa an effort to deliver a “write-in” vote, with the reports being that the PAC spent over 100k in the effort. Not sure the dollars spent delivered the desired results, but to those not familiar with what has been going on, the result gives the appearance of “momentum.”

  4. The True CONSTITUTIONALIST, RON PAUL CAME IN 2ND! 🙂

    Ron Paul believes in wholly adhering to every nuance that is promulgated within the 4 corners of the U.S. Constitution. That happens to be an anomaly to most of the public servants who SERVE US UP after they have sworn that sacred oath.

  5. Congratulations Rep. Michele Bachamnn.. now we can all go home, as the Republican Presidential Nomination, is all wrapped up, sewn up, right.. or was that Ron Paul who did that last month.. was that Mitt Romney who did that the other month, or was that Godfather’s Pizza chain- Mr. Cain, who wrapped that up the other month, or 2 moths ago.. oh well..

    No seriously, I congratulate Rep. Michele Bachmann.

    Now, with that being said.. tell me when the real Primary election starts and finishes in 2012, and who are the actual winners.. until then, the pre-game shows are nice, but are really not consequential in the end process.. just the current environment and money that goes with it.. as if there is one thing that is assured in politics, it is that nothing is assured in politics..

    1. Not even a mention of Sarah Palin for the write-in vote TPP4E…. Not looking good for your girl to stay out of the fray for as long as she has I don’t think.

      For your sake though – I hope she get’s in soon.

      I have to say though – today was an amazing victory for both halves of the tea party – don’t you think?

      1. lol.. Yeah.. well, I won’t sweat the small stuff.. the people in the straw poll are fighting for name recognition and campaign money, in hopes of being in the final rounds, or making the cut, so to speak, by next Jan. 2012.. so, I am not at least worried about Gov. Palin, in that regards, one way or another, as she will not have any of those problems.. she will have her own campaign strategy, and it will not follow the guidelines, that anyone in the Republican Party establishment will approve of, nor like.. which is exactly what I am hoping for.. as she will completely change the rules of the playing field.. she is in a different league and plays by a different set of rules altogether..

    1. He didn’t mount much of campaign, could have been he was taking that slogan of his a little more literally than he should have. “What Me Worry?” 😉

  6. “Perry had 718 write-in votes so he would have beaten Romney, Gingrich, Huntsman, and McCotter.” He DID beat all of them which should really hurt Romney going forward. A guy less then 24 hours into the race beats someone who has basically been campaigning since mid-2008.

    1. Yeah, well, see, Romney is going to come from behind and take it all.

      We’re not sure where he’s going to take it, though.

      1. Right into Rick Perry’s arms silly.

        Crickle, crackle…”is this thing on(?) testing one,two…testing one,two…”

        “And in in this corner…the Governor of 10% of the people, presider of over 40% of all of the new jobs in the entire freakin’ country…Governor Rick Perry!!!” “Yay! Yay! Yay! Hippity hop, hip, hooraaaaaay!”

        “And in this corner, Mitt Romney, rino king of that conservative onclave of kennedy’s !!! Yesterday’s news, tomorrow’s lose. yay.

        “Ok, gentlemen, when the bell goes ring-a-ding-dang, Romney, you sit on down while Perry raises his gloves skyward !”

        1. Heh. You remind me of Iowahark’s “tweet” during the “Twitter Townhall” Obama held a few weeks ago. Something like:

          “When @BarackObama creates jobs, why are they all in Texas?”

    2. Cough … Perry’s people were on the ground for over a month, spent 100k+, to get the write in vote.

  7. So I guess there are lots of hypocrites in the conservative movement just like in the liberal movement. We conservatives trashed Obama for his lack of resume, lack of accomplishments, lack of experience, and now someone on our side of the aisle wins the straw poll who also lacks in all those areas. I guess many of us weren’t being honest when we objected to Obama’s lack of experience. In the end it does not matter though as the winner of this straw poll means nothing in the grand scheme of the nomination.

  8. Sure if you give away 6000 tickets you have purchased with your donars money I guess you deserve to win…buying straw polls is this what America has come too!!!

  9. I am glad Bachmann won. I would have vote for her if I had a chance.MSM lost a great opportunity to show Paul as the winner and say:”You vote Republican, this is what you get! We told you they are a bunch of Kooks”

    1. The MSM will treat which ever candidate that wins the Republican nomination like a loon. (Kind of like everyone on our side is treating Ron Paul right now) Why even care what they say. They have made themselves irrelevant in any decision I will be making. MSM are socialist so who ever they call a Kook gets my vote by default.

        1. Good video.
          This illustrates the true value of the great debate we could be in to vet out our best candidate. The old wisdom of leaving politics out of our daily lives is bad thinking. We should all be engaged in this debate early and often to ensure we don’t get sold a bill of goods.
          For us to resort to calling each others candidates nuts, or bigots is not constructive. We should focus on the real issues facing us and who has the most consistent, and best plan to move our country back to one of limited central power.

          1. I am all for limited central power. I do admire libertarians like Andrew Napolitano a lot. Ron Paul’s isolationism is suicidal though, as well as his position on Iran. Maybe the language was a little harsh in describing Paul’s position, I would reconsider next time.I enjoyed our little exchange!

            1. Always. That is why I love The Right Scoop so much. 90% of the time you can have good debate with knowledgeable people. The founders would have loved this site as well I tend to think. Honest debate among concerned citizens.

  10. If Ron Paul wins 35% or more in the Republican primaries, HE MUST RUN AS AN INDEPENDENT. Anyone should run Independent if they do that well against the Republican frontrunner.

    These Tea Party candidates HAVE to be loyal to the people NOT the party.

    1. Now this would make no sense at all. I am currently carrying water for Ron, but if he loses the Republican nomination he should get behind the Candidate that wins. I will argue for him now but if he loses I will focus on the ways that the winner can move us forward.
      I think what is crazy is the animosity people have for a guy who has been fighting for their freedom longer than any of the other candidates.

    2. Last I checked the TEA Party is not a political party, that said if you call yourself a Republican (as Paul does) and you run in the Republican Primary (as Paul is) if you lose, then the people of your party have spoken and you are obligated by personal honor and integrity to accept that vote as the will of the people and abide by it. Unless you’re a lying scumbag like Charlie Crist and run to try and split the vote and hand victory to the other side.

  11. This website has consistently attempted to portray Ron Paul as a joke. And now you describe Bachmann’s marginal 152 vote victory as a “big win.” Either Michele Bachmann is just another joke or Ron Paul is a formidable candidate that deserves to be taken seriously. You can’t have it both ways. Religious people always find a way to justify their bias, but it doesn’t change the hypocrisy of it.

    1. Actually it is a big win for Bachmann because of her knocking Romney out of the front runner spot. Paul has always done well in polls, it’s elections were he falls off.

  12. Here is my deal after reading some of this. I can’t help but wonder if some of you would not vote for Ron Paul even if he won the nomination. I wonder if you would let Obama get another term over the candidate a bunch of you are calling nuts. How strongly do you feel that Ron Paul is better served in a mental ward than in the White House?
    Go back 10 years and listen to what this man was saying. Look at what is happening in the world then tell me he is nuts.

    1. I’d support him. A naive foreign policy can be corrected by the right staff and respect of the military.

    2. I’d support him. A naive foreign policy can be corrected by the right staff and respect of the military.

      1. Wow really, so Obama would be better for the country than she would. Sure she is not my first pick but she is far better than 4 more years of this.

      2. Wow really, so Obama would be better for the country than she would. Sure she is not my first pick but she is far better than 4 more years of this.

        1. After she was silent while Palin was blamed for Murder, I said I would never support her ever again. I will stay home. I promise you. That showed me something very disturbing about her character. Before that, I was quite supportive of her. Never again though.

          1. Just for that huh. Maybe Bachmann figured Palin could handle her own battles, and she did just that after all. Is anyone today accusing Palin of murder? I just think this would be a silly reason to let Obama get 4 more years. Kind of reminds me of the people who refused to vote for McLame just because he was himself… Ok bad example I know.

    3. Would I vote for Ron Paul over Barack Obama? Absolutely. Would I enjoy voting for someone so diametrically opposed to me on many issues? Absolutely not. I’d hold my nose and vote just as I have done for GW bush and McCain.

      1. I have enjoyed our back and forth here. I also had to hold my nose on McLame last year. I don’t think we are so far apart in our thinking, and this debate is a healthy one. Truth is I think most of our candidates this year are head and shoulders above what we had last year, and if my guy does not win at least he moved the discussion to the right in our party.

  13. Here is my deal after reading some of this. I can’t help but wonder if some of you would not vote for Ron Paul even if he won the nomination. I wonder if you would let Obama get another term over the candidate a bunch of you are calling nuts. How strongly do you feel that Ron Paul is better served in a mental ward than in the White House?
    Go back 10 years and listen to what this man was saying. Look at what is happening in the world then tell me he is nuts.

  14. Keep in mind also that the current tax system can be used to attack marriage itself as well. Like, for example, if the bush tax cuts expire. It would at that point be cheaper taxwise for my wife and I to not be married. It is already that way for those who have children that qualify for medicaid who cannot get married and still survive economically.

  15. I don’t have to look hard for anti-americanism and enemies of america. Your acting like somehow..I’m for going in and teaching people our system in the first place. That logic is a straw man argument because I have said no such thing. Our country is broke, and I am for attacking the deficit in the biggest way we can possibly do, on our domestic spending, and by creating pro-growth tax reforms that raise our GDP, and therefore our revenue. Still has no bearing on my view of the dangerous position of being an ostrich in regard to Iran.

    1. Few questions. Why go in if you are not trying to change their system?
      What part of our budget is bigger than our military spending?
      What is more pro tax growth than having our military men and women spending their pay check in the American economy. No new taxes will have to be raised, and our economy would benefit.
      What good would ballistic missiles do Iran if we could shot them all down from space?
      When we finally get our troops out of Iraq who exactly is going to fill the void?
      Will that make Israel safer?
      Beware the path to hell is paved with good intentions.

      1. Our domestic programs, foreign aid, entitlements..really? Military spending is far less then half our budget. Compare that with our military percentage in the early days of our existence where it was as much as 80% of our overall budget.

        1. I am fine with military getting 80% of our budget, however if the world could just wake up and realize we are in this thing together 80% on space exploration would be better.
          Its the unfunded liability that is our problem. Our people have forgot the famous words of that Democrat “Ask not what your country can do for you, Ask what you can do for your country”.

      2. First off…we have let the current administration, and even the previous one completely erase any gains we had in the “space wars”. New taxes do not create revenue, new taxes deplete the pool of taxpayers and in the end reduce revenue. Pro-growth revenue is found in flattening the tax code, or implementing some sort of consumption based “fair tax”. I’m not saying the wars have been fought properly either, with our hand tied behind our back. We are no longer feared for reprisal anymore is the #1 problem with our foreign policy as it stands now, but by pulling everyone home from everyone and sitting on our hands while we wait 20 years to be able to shoot down long range missiles is the most ostrich-like method of national defense I can think of.

        1. How can you like our Government involving us in the rest of the worlds affairs when you don’t like the Government getting involved in yours. What is our Government doing right now that is right to you? They are not taxing right, they are not leading right (reference to rampant corruption), they are not fighting wars right, they are doing very little right from my prospective. They police us more and more each day. Do people in Iran get molested by their government just to fly somewhere? And this is the government you think the world should except? Lets get our house right and let Iran be damned. If they strike Israel we reserve the right to make a glass parking lot in the middle east. They can use it for a staging ground for all the Chinese products being shipped into our country.

          1. Where am I saying that I want to get our government involved in world affairs? Because I can guarantee you that I am not saying that in one iota. I am saying that our military should be used strategically to defend the U.S. and our interests. You are trying to show equivalency where there is none. I am not saying that I believe we should help overthrow ghaddafi, I am not saying we should intervene in yemen, or that we should have supported the rebellion in egypt. I believe that there are strategic decisions that must be made to secure our safety and our sovereignty. You keep putting up these straw men instead of dealing with the substance of my argument. I do not think our government is taxing right, I do not believe they are leading right, I do not believe they fight wars the correct way, but that does not mean I’m going to bury my head in the sand and wait for Iran to make a move on us, or our allies. It is pure lunacy to think that an Iran with a nuclear weapon is not a threat to our country and our interests both on our soil and around the world. And please, stop attempting to misrepresent my statements when there is no basis in doing so. It is absolutely asinine.

            1. I am sorry if it seemed like I was putting words into your mouth. I apologize if I did. I can only speak for myself.
              I agree Iran should not be taken lightly, but I disagree only in the best course of action from here. I agree Iran is a threat to us but I think we would be better served by preparing instead of instigating. Even though Iran is a threat I believe it is one we could handle if we needed to, provided our military complex is not to spread out to be effective.

              1. We can, if we take away some of the spread out parts of our military and not cut defense spending, this is not what Ron Paul stands for. There are things we can do without instigating to curb the chances of them being a bigger threat to us down the road, but not if we “take every troop and bring them home” By putting words in my mouth I mean, that I am very against the very things you are arguing somehow that I said I was for. I am a little more of a security hawk then some of the founders, although there were quite a few that had ideas like mine back then. Back then the arguments were like this, and not about bowing to other nations leaders and spending ourselves into oblivion on the other side.

                1. I would think that bringing our troops home form some of the unnecessary places would save our military some money. I am not for cutting there budget either. However I do think there are far better places to spend our money than protecting places like Germany. If our troops are not there for the purpose of protection why are they there ya know. I will be first in line for the America should have the most Bad A55 military club, but I will also sign up for the Don’t trust big government club.

  16. All those people only voted for Ron Paul because he has great hair and pretty eyes.

    Bachmann, on the other hand, won based on the depth of her ideas and her principled Constitutional stance.

    1. You got dat right! The man mesmerizes me like no other. I want to run my fingers through his hair, gaze into those baby whatever, whatevers…and finally complete that anti-emetic experiment I’ve been working on. If I can get through that, I ‘ll never need a another vat of the Pepto again. I’m psyched!

      This is really funny.

    2. I have to say i was really impressed with Bachman’s and Paul’s passion at the debate, and i think candidate’s showing passion is the main characteristic people catch onto as voters. I agreed with almost everything Bachman said, yet her eagerness to have a Federal Marriage Amendment does not make me believe that her main goal for Washington is to make them crack down on the spending but instead to enact social conservatism into our Constitution. For instance, when she signed the bill raising taxes on cigarettes because there was a pro-life benefit to the bill, proves that she puts her social conservatism above economic conservatism, and economic conservatism should be the only thing we force are slow system of the branches to work on at this point in history.

      1. Ron Paul in theory is socially conservative according to his platform on everything outside of Drugs. I happen to like his approach to the marriage question better then anyone else’s. But he is most definitely pro-life, and does not want to rubber stamp approval on the homosexual lifestyle.

        1. He is a social conservative yes. But he is a different from Bachman in that he would not take away a State’s right to decide such social matters as gay marriage. He is different in that he does not believe it is his right as a politician to shape and mold society’s laws into his image of what he believes are moral standards. That is what separates Ron from almost every social conservative i know.

          1. But yet he does not stand for the ability for states to sanction marriages either. States, constitutionally, have the right to decide to marry or not, and I believe that it should be between you and your partner and God (if that is your aim) and that we should de-emphasize the benefits of marriage in a fairer tax system and a true health care overhaul with progrowth and constitutional systems to encourage changes to the whole paradigm. Under my system at least on marriage, everyone would come away as happy.

            1. Ron Paul’s stance on marriage is this. He believes marriage is for a man and a women. But he doesn’t believe his definition of marriage should be everyones definition. He believes what almost all of us beleive, that marriage should be left to the Church and not the government.

              1. Therefore it should not be left to the states, thus against Gay marriage being a states rights issue. In the end anyway. Because if its a states rights issue, its not an issue left to the church.

                1. Just because it should be a Church issue doesn’t mean its going to be. And because State’s have differential benefits when it comes to possessing a marriage license, those benefits should be allowed for all people regardless of sexual orientation.

                2. There shouldn’t be any financial incentives to belong to one faction or another whether that applies to status, race, marital status, gender, it should all be equal as would be provided for in a fairer tax system. It should not be used as a political tool to get those who do not believe that homosexuality is acceptable to be accepted by those people by force of the will of government and special interests. Marriage should be between individuals and their respective church’s (if they choose this route for marriage)

                3. I agree that government should get out of the marriage business, but if it ever did just go to the churches within every state, would any of the hate crimes laws penalize churches who did not grant marriages to gays?

                4. I agree that government should get out of the marriage business, but if it ever did just go to the churches within every state, would any of the hate crimes laws penalize churches who did not grant marriages to gays?

                5. “are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people. ” I think the issue should be left to the Churches under that last phrase from the Tenth.

      2. I half caught something Mark Levin was saying on the radio about the marriage amendment. He seemed to indicate that there was a Texas case that was queued up to go to the Supreme Court, where Kennedy (as usually) would be the deciding vote.

        I think he also said something about Kennedy having already aligned with gay marriage on that Texas case.

        So basically, if We the People do not get in front of this, Kennedy will set precedent for Federal protection for gay marriage.

    3. I have to say i was really impressed with Bachman’s and Paul’s passion at the debate, and i think candidate’s showing passion is the main characteristic people catch onto as voters. I agreed with almost everything Bachman said, yet her eagerness to have a Federal Marriage Amendment does not make me believe that her main goal for Washington is to make them crack down on the spending but instead to enact social conservatism into our Constitution. For instance, when she signed the bill raising taxes on cigarettes because there was a pro-life benefit to the bill, proves that she puts her social conservatism above economic conservatism, and economic conservatism should be the only thing we force are slow system of the branches to work on at this point in history.

      1. This is absolutely true. His performance at both debates and his inability to differentiate himself from the policies of GW Bush are what caused him to lose credibility and my vote. I still have yet to settle on any one candidate.

  17. I would have liked to see Cain do a little better, but he topped the “frontrunner” so I’m pleased. I’m most surprised that Pawlenty did so well.

  18. As a conservative I am very happy with this result. I am going to go ahead and stick my neck out a bit and say that Ron Paul still has my vote at this point, but Mrs. Bachmann, and Mr. Cain are still in the running.
    I hope everyone understands that I am not a bot and I have Ron in the lead because he has been right on so many issues for so long. I have to agree with his foreign policy. If we spend the money developing our military instead of spreading it thin playing world police we can quickly get to the point where we can shoot down and nukes Iran cares to build.

    1. Just because someone stands against the implications of Ron Paul’s foreign policy does not mean we are into the world police state or stretching our military thin. At least, speaking for myself and most I know of similar mind to me.

      1. Well you guys better wake up and look around then cause that is what happens. For once, just for once, I would like to see something happen in this world where America does not step in and try to save everyone. If this country is so bad and the world hates us so much they would send their children to blow themselves up then they don’t need us.
        This is what the world wants. The middle eastern people are not stupid they look around to. They look at Europe… we helped them and our troops are still there all these years later. They look at Asia…. we helped them our troops are still there all these years later. We “helped Afghanistan” 10 years later our troops are still there. Now we are “helping Libya”, and “helping Yemen”. Helping Somalia soon any one?
        Yes! People dieing is a bad thing. It suck this world is full of cruel and evil people. But are we as a country ready to be responsible for the whole world? When we die we only have to answer for ourselves, not our country, I thank God for that every night. That having been said look at what our country is doing.
        Do you think what we are doing helps to strengthen our country defensively from attack? I mean physically if another country sends boots to our soil is what we are doing now going to protect us?

        1. The flaw in the argument is that we are not in Europe primarily to help them or ourselves, it is mutually beneficial. You have heard of the missile defense shield that was torn down by Obama’s treaty with russia right? Libya is not a threat to us, Yemen, is a threat, but not from the country itself, but with al qaeda inside of it. Iran is a threat to us. I believe long term Russia, China, Iran, North Korea potentially could be the other side joining together with their unifying factor being dictatorial rule and hatred of freedom. We need strategic defense strategies to survive, and to help those true allies (we have few) to survive as well. My head is very much out of the sand, my fear is that Ron Paul is an ostrich when it comes to Iran and the threat it poses. Both Michelle Bachmann, and Herman Cain agree with me as do most conservatives.

          1. Well sure if it is us against the world then lets look at it. For me to say to you “My country knows what is right for your people and we are coming in to teach you our system” then I better be a supporter of my system.
            The truth is for many of us out here we have a problem with our system. I am not sure which country you live in but my country is broke. Our politicians are robbing us blind. Our people are losing touch with reality. Our morals have become a joke. Our families are being torn apart. Our people give away more and more liberty everyday for the sake of safety.
            So which system exactly should they be learning from us? We need to fix ourselves before we can fix the world. Ron understands that. For the people of this world to truly turn to freedom they need to see it work. Unfortunately in our case we are not setting a good example.
            By the way are you referring to the same China that is living within it fiscal means, or the one that is loaning us all this money to fight all these wars, or maybe it is the one that is profiting off the interest we are paying them. Wait it is the Russians who are after us, the same ones who are struggling to change their own system to include more freedoms, or the one who is sending our astronauts to the space station.
            If you look hard enough for enemies then you are sure to find them.

            1. You need to take a more in depth look at what is really going on inside Russia, they have been politically backsliding for several years. They aren’t “giving” our Astronauts a ride, they are taking us for a ride to the tune of 56 million a pop and they want to raise it to 63 million a ride next year. Can you say thank you Barry, may I have another? On the military there are stories flying about intel circles about an administration program “backdooring” advanced Mil-tech into Russia by our current administration, no I don’t follow Alex Jones. I have also heard tell of the same type of program only this one is funneling tech into China. We need some serious “clean up” here at home, the “Cold War” didn’t truly end it just went underground.

              1. I can’t argue with anything you are saying. I would only like to add that I did say the Russians, not the Russian government. You are absolutely correct that the current Putin administration has not been good for their freedoms, but the people in Russia, I hope in my heart, are not big fans of their current Government structure either.
                If I was Russia and I had America in the position we are in I would charge more to. Just makes me like our current administration that much less, and want a true conservative constitutionalist that much more. America should provide at least 50% of everything we need be it oil, space ships, or toys in McDonalds.

              2. That’s a frustrating thing, with regard to the application of “Treason.” I know the FF’s wanted to make treason an obvious, war-related phenomenon, and not easily spun up from the mere fact of holding ideas that are (or might be) damaging to National Interests.

                But things like trading tech to potential war rivals look an awful lot like treason to me, and not even the office of the President should be protected from investigation. It should at least be an impeachable offense.

                1. I know what you mean, back when the “Cold War” was above ground it would have been pursued as treason.

        2. I say let all these sorry socialists defend themselves.

          As a side note….islamists hate us because we exist. We could hide under our mother’s skirts, we could lick Mohammed’s boots, we could give them all our nine year old girls or even a Space shuttle or two. They will still slit our throats and rape our women and children, simply because we are not muslims.

          1. I take the Islamic threat very seriously don’t get me wrong. I think we should be ready at any time now to have to put serious boot on the ground in Israel.
            But I also don’t think we should not be there until our ally absolutely needs us. How are we going to help a true friend when they need us if our troops are everywhere else? How are we going to help if our military becomes second rate because we spend to much money fighting and not enough updating our hardware. Israel is the only real Democracy in the middle east that insures the freedom of all its people. I don’t think Ron is saying let them all die if war broke out and they were getting creamed.
            Who thinks Israel will get creamed by there opponents?

  19. Bachmann is the real winner among rational voters. Ron Paul has a cadre of fanatics that follow him around everywhere he goes. He is the current version of Harold Stassen. His support is deep but also very narrow. It takes more than sycophantic devotion to win the Republican nomination. His suicidal foreign policy is a huge danger to our nation security.

      1. Ron Paul always have his followers flood every online poll. He is like the Scientologists who have their followers buy Scientology books in the stores and then they reship them to artificially boost sales figures. It is all a campaign by a small bunch of followers trying to cast a long shadow.

      2. Ron Paul always have his followers flood every online poll. He is like the Scientologists who have their followers buy Scientology books in the stores and then they reship them to artificially boost sales figures. It is all a campaign by a small bunch of followers trying to cast a long shadow.

        1. That is just absolutely one of the funniest cartoons I’ve seen in a long time – not that I agree with you though.

    1. One of my my favorite Carson bits was his “Karnak” gag:

      The answer is: “How you can tell the drugs are wearing off”

      Inside the envelope: “When Grateful Dead starts sounding bad”

    2. One of my my favorite Carson bits was his “Karnak” gag:

      The answer is: “How you can tell the drugs are wearing off”

      Inside the envelope: “When Grateful Dead starts sounding bad”

  20. Well..lets take this apart if we can. Michelle Bachmann was indeed supposed to win. It is a good sign for her campaign to follow through. Ron Paul, expected to do well, surprises a bit by competing with Michelle Bachmann rather well. This, on the surface would seem to be a huge boon to his campaign. I do not think it does much, just because I believe his foreign policy beliefs keep him from winning anywhere in the south. If he cannot win in Iowa, New Hampshire, and other states where his ground game and political landscape is much more beneficial then he cannot win anything. Its gotten better for his campaign, and it will help him stay in the race once again. But what happens later is splits. Who gets the votes from those that pull out of the race. Newt Gingrich, Mitt Romney, Thadeus McCotter, Rick Perry, and Jon Huntsman barely tried to do anything. So they really don’t learn anything. You can stick a fork in Tim Pawlenty….what happens to his votes? I think they get split between the other two governors. Rick Perry/Mitt Romney. I’m somewhat encouraged for a fourth place for Santorum, but I don’t think he can stick around long so what happens to his votes? My best guess is Bachmann/Cain. So since we do not see the 2nd choices in this poll here is what I see in this poll. Bachmann wins another 800 votes from santorum, Cain gains about 500, Rick Perry gains about 300. Tim Pawlenty gives about 1000 votes to Perry, 600 to romney, 300 for bachmann and probably 300 to gingrich. Net gain of about 1300 for perry, 1100 for bachmann, 600 for romney, 500 for cain. This is all guesswork, but the overall point. Its not about the first poll, its about who bows out when and who gets the votes from their supporters and the support of their donors in the long run. Ron Paul’s best polls and results in primaries/caucuses will be the first ones, as people bow out he will stay at about the same vote count.

    1. Hey, where did you buy that hat you pulled those numbers out of?

      I want some for my second-hand hat store.

      1. Out of my own hat. Its just speculation on my part. To illustrate a point. Iowa is important for weeding out people who have no shot and having them realize it. From there it begins the process of fighting for the supporters of the ones who withdraw, and Ron Paul stands little chance to get very many of them.

        1. Suhweet! Do you have anything for my second-hand underpants store?

          Just kiddin’…no one here takes me seriously anyway, not even me. Thanks 🙂

    1. Michelle has been there since day one, before we were the Tea Party, and has never wavered. At the first DC rally she was all alone on the lawn with her mic. All the other timid Congresscritters were up on the Capital balcony watching.

      I keep the corner of my eye all these politicians but this is a good sign for the Republic. The Tea Party spirit grow stronger the more we are attacked…like Michelle and Sarah.

      1. Ha… Funny. The tea party needed you four years ago while O was being elected and RP was THE ONLY one speaking out against the RINO establishment types.
        As far as “Day One” is concerned – he’s been on message for thirty years. You’re just now starting to come around.

  21. Did Palin get any write in votes? It appears to be zero the way this is reported. We got Perry’s, but not Palin”s. ????????

    I thought she would get at least 1.

      1. Usually when these kinds of results are announced, they come with a link to the “official” group responsible for the tally.

        I’ve been searching and searching, and none of these come from the actual Ames Straw Poll operators, other than perhaps some press release we can’t see. All are from news sites, with no link to the official results anywhere in evidence.

        Why we let Iowa do this first every year is a debate worth having.

        1. I think the whole party/primary process sucks. I love Iowa but there are a whole lot of us damn fine patriots in my state who should have a say in our destiny.

      2. You know what is interesting to me – how is it possible that nationally known figures – such as Newt or even Romney in this case can only command the votes of a few hundred people. I have more friends than that in my relatively pitiful little sphere of influence.
        It floors me that Romney – Mr. almost Republican nominee last time only got 500+ votes.
        I mean – think about it – with all the air time, robo calling, free food, goody bags, etc. bus tickets etc. only 15,000 people showed up from across the entire state of IOWA?
        Newt – Mr. one time Speaker of the House – most powerful man in Washington – only got 300+ votes.

  22. Correction – Ron Paul is the big winner. Bachmann was expected to win, and she beat Paul by less than one percent in her home state. The big loser was Tim Pawlenty. He’s done.

      1. Scoop,

        You’re about 99 percent party hack and one percent Libertarian. I say that because at least you realize how ridiculous the TSA is. However, do you think for a second that any candidate other than Ron Paul would do something about it? Your beloved Rick Perry, who was a lib Dem until he was 40 and Texas was already a red state, helped kill the anti-TSA groping law in the Legislature last month.

        I have hope for you. There is one guy on Fox News who gets it. Watch some Judge Napolitano videos.

            1. I think soon enough people will begin to really listen to Paul and realize this whole Paul-bot thing is ridiculous. Lucky for us, this is a democracy, not a dictatorship, and the word of Ron Paul will be heard!

                1. Yes i know. The one thing id like to tell all Ron supporters is even if we are presented with a “told ya so” moment we need to let votes speak for themselves and let others make their own opinions of it.

                  If there is one thing we can all be happy about it is that Romney did terrible even though no one attacked him at the debate. wow hooo

              1. Econ. Ron is a GREAT issue advocate. He needs to keep bringing these issues into the debate. He moves the debate, much like the Tea Party has moved the debate in recent years.

                He’s too much like Orville Redenbacher though to win the Presidency. Of course O’ is too much like Marx to win again too. We don’t want to run one guy who can’t win against another guy who shouldn’t win.

                Paulbots are indeed a problem. They need to collectively take some diazepam or something. Paulbots are like Orville’s popping corn, confusing activity with accomplishment.

                1. Ventura!!!!!? I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.

                  Dat don’t taste so good with bacon and eggs.

                  Darn you elmer. Darn you to heck.

                2. Okay. Please tell me, what is a Paulbot? Someone who is an advocate of Ron Paul? Look, i understand there have been many angry advocates of Ron Paul on this site, but that is only because RS does not include Paul on the ballot. We all have heard enough of this, anti-candidate crap. Look, we all know that in the end right before the election, we will have one candidate running against Obama. So how does Paul split the vote?

                  And btw, i do not confuse activity with accomplishment. Placing 2nd, 150 votes behind Michelle Bachman in her home state, is an accomplishment for Paul, period.

                3. A Paulbot is a rude, hyper, copy paste form of commentator who spams links without regard to rules on message boards etiquette or otherwise. They are often more libertarian then Ron Paul even is. Its not someone who believes as Ron Paul believes, its the way the support is put across as disrespectful, assuming, and pompous. You are not a paulbot, but many supporters tend to be.

                4. A Paulbot is a rude, hyper, copy paste form of commentator who spams links without regard to rules on message boards etiquette or otherwise. They are often more libertarian then Ron Paul even is. Its not someone who believes as Ron Paul believes, its the way the support is put across as disrespectful, assuming, and pompous. You are not a paulbot, but many supporters tend to be.

        1. You know Brian, I don’t think it is entirely fair to judge Gov Perry for being a democrat 21+ years ago. Parties have changed dramatically since, people change, demographics change.

          1. Perry was a Democrat for the entire Reagan administration, while he was in his 30s. Texas had already turned solid red by the 1980s. In 1988, Perry was Al Gore’s Texas Chairman for his presidential bid. Perry “converted” to the Republican party as a matter of political expediency – nothing else. He is far from a conservative.

            Since you accept that it’s OK for Perry to be stupid up to his 40th birthday, I’ll go more recent. For the last decade, Perry has been an open borders advocate, including in speeches given in Mexico. Perry came out against Arizona’s immigration bill. Perry and his allies killed the TSA anti-groping bill in the legislature last month. Perry also tried to ram through the Trans-Texas corridor, which would have seized hundreds of square miles of Texans’ property through eminent domain and is one of the main steps towards integrating America, Mexico, and Canada into the North American Union.

            Perry, who claims to be a strict constitutionalist, tried to require every 11 and 12 year old school girl in Texas to be forcibly inoculated. This he tried to do by executive order, so hideous was it politically that his friends in the legislature would have none of it. However, it would have benefited his buddies at Merck about $400 per kid. You can read about that here:

            http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=54095

            On the other hand, he does have a nice head of hair.

            1. All of that sounds like proper modern conservatism to me……..

              As long as he take people liberty on behalf of God he should be fine with conservatives.

            2. I’ve heard most of what you just wrote already, and some of it has already been discussed on the other Perry thread.
              The Gardisil vaccine could be opted out of, if I remember correctly.

              I totally agree that Gov Perry most likely wont be a perfect candidate. Who will?

              What were you doing when you were 30?

              1. Well, I’ve never voted for a Democrat in my life, for one. When I turned 18, in 1984, I got to vote for Reagan for president and Phil Gramm for senator. I felt pretty good about that election.

                At 30 – that would be 1996 for me. I was supporting Pat Buchanan instead of party hack Bob Dole.

            3. I’ve heard most of what you just wrote already, and some of it has already been discussed on the other Perry thread.
              The Gardisil vaccine could be opted out of, if I remember correctly.

              I totally agree that Gov Perry most likely wont be a perfect candidate. Who will?

              What were you doing when you were 30?

            4. I was a democrat in my 30’s, too, Brian. I don’t want it held against me and don’t think we should hold it against Perry either, although he is not my favorite. I’m grateful for each possible candidate. It takes courage to step forward or to even think about being the one to try to straighten out this mess! I’m excited that Bachman won the Iowa poll! This is going to be exciting…love the debate on Fox the other night, too.

            5. Ronald Reagan was also a democrat at one time. And oh, there “did” used to be conservative democrats, although I don’t think they exist now.

          2. Your right, the Republicans and conservatives are like the Democrats of the 60’s

            Only a little less statist than Communist Democrats of today, that is why Perry fits right in

          3. I grew up in a Democrat and was even a George Mc Govern delegate. Didn’t remain a dem very long after I got to see the inside and how crooked it was/is.

            I totally understand Perry changing parties and will wait to see what his campaign is like – looking forward to seeing him in the next debate!

          4. I was once a democrat….(I now shudder at the very thought), but then I woke from my stuper. You are right, the party changed and having done so I ran as far from that party as I could. I told my liberal nephew, I am the right wing conspiracy!
            In fact, Al Gore use to be a pro-life conservative, albeit a democrat. But, he sold his soul ,Gov. Perry woke up instead.

          5. I was once a democrat….(I now shudder at the very thought), but then I woke from my stuper. You are right, the party changed and having done so I ran as far from that party as I could. I told my liberal nephew, I am the right wing conspiracy!
            In fact, Al Gore use to be a pro-life conservative, albeit a democrat. But, he sold his soul ,Gov. Perry woke up instead.

        2. Typical Paulbot BS. Accusations are not argument anywhere intelligent people gather. If you don’t like TRScoop then don’t come here.

          As the Libertarians are fond of saying, change the channel.

            1. Doubling down with a loaded question is just adding to your embarrassment.

              I trust folks to read my post without your lame interpretation.

              Deflecting that onto him by implying I was speaking on his behalf is a tactic worthy of the worst sorts of propagandists. If you want his words, read his posts, not mine.

                1. I agree Mary he wouldn’t get it!

                  Immature people (no matter their age) never seem to understand the difference between name-calling and an objective discussion.

      2. I love how angry the majority of you guys are about this… Uh oh… Is the republican party seeing a little change?… dont be scared guys Ron Paul cant win right… hes just so crazy… thats why he only lost by 150 votes 🙂

      3. We all knew you’re secretly an admirer of Ron Paul. 🙂 In fact – I bet you purposely disabled him in the poll the other night just to drive up your site’s volume. You KNOW that nothing riles em up more than being unfair to him. Cool ploy. I’m impressed.

      4. Just like on facebook there’s a “like” button for everything but never a “dislike” button when you really want one !

    1. If Ron Paul were anywhere near something I could call sane, I’d be inclined to take your comment at face value. But all I see from Paulbots are flooding online polls and straw polls. So I fail to see how losing something that Paulbots tend to flood can be thought as a win. Then again, I never expect any kind of logic from the followers of a lunatic.

      1. YOU ARE A TEABAGGER AND SO ARE ALL YOU OTHER Paulbot namecallers. You don’t like it when Dems call teaparty teabaggers and yet you do the same to Ron Paul supporters. What real idiotic Republican assholes you are

        1. Dude – Paul supporters like us – don’t need Paul supporters like you. When you own the truth – you don’t need to slap back or name call back. It doesn’t persuade ANYONE to your line of reasoning or RP support endeavors.

        2. That was dumb, spirited debate is one thing, however posts like that do yourself and your candidate no favors. I think you earned your exit pass, good bye.

    2. Are you all the same libertarians that keep telling everyone that if Palin wins the primary we would guarantee O’s re-election?
      because I think I can make a stronger case that Ron Paul would do just that. I hope that we don’t end up in another Ross Perot debacle re-run.

      1. I do not agree with Representative Paul’s views on American foreign policy. Like Representative Bachmann, because of his lack of executive experience in elected office, IMV neither would be the best person to be the GOP nominee.

        However, the strength of his showing should not be dismissed and we know that his supporters are loyal.

        The tea party movement reflects a strong desire by the American public to end “politics as usual” not only in Washington, but across the country.

        Representative Paul’s views on domestic public policy have had a strong influence within this movement, and while Governor Palin is best able to articulate the message, it would be wrong to discount his influence in the upcoming debate within the Republican party on domestic policy.

        As to Governor Perry, who is the newest flavor of the month, sorry but his fiscal record in Texas is nothing to brag about. As to foreign policy, he is receiving guidance from the neo-conservatives in President George W. Bush’s administration.

        When all is said and done, Governor Perry equals former President George W. Bush, a progressive conservative on domestic policy and a neo-conservative on foreign policy. Been there, done that and don’t want to go there again.

        As to foreign policy, Caroline Glick published a useful article which people will find of interest:

        The Jacksonian Foreign Policy Option
        http://www.carolineglick.com/e/2011/08/the-jacksonian-foreign-policy.php

        1. That was a long read, but worth it. I don’t see Ron Paul as an isolationist. Apparently that term is as relative as many others are. From a neo-con perspective, budding out of other sovereign nation’s business is isolationism. To the strict constitutional advocate, it is a matter of law, and of honoring our most basic principles of freedom around the world, rather than destroying any credibility that we might have in that regard.

          Paul does not seek to end trade and negotiations, but rather end our hypocrisy and tyranny overseas. He believes, as I do, that we create the terrorist threat to some extent. Most probably more than we realize. It takes putting ourselves in their place to come to that realization.

          In my opinion, fear and cowardice are the driving factors of those who support foreign intervention in sovereign nation’s internal matters. It is not wrong to assist a country in dealing with an extremist or terrorist threat, but it is wrong to covertly overthrow their leaders, put in place other tyrants, stomp out any chance of a grass roots effort to change their culture and politics for the better, disarm them and create a police state of oppression, control their resources, litter their landscape with depleted uranium ammunition, kill their people in the streets for looking like they have a gun from a camera in a drone controlled from miles away by a twenty year old kid, etc, etc.

          We are not spreading freedom, we are denying it around the world. We are not gaining liberties at home, but rather negating and destroying them.

          Paul believes in a strong national defense from our homeland. If under imminent threat, he would defend this country vigorously. His biggest argument for a strong national defense is strengthening our currency. If we become debtor slaves in a perpetual depression without any industrial base, we will be wide open to all kinds of terror, both within and without.

          The private central bank that prints money from nothing, which is backed with nothing, and who lends us fake money to create debt that cannot be paid back, and has to be serviced by increasing taxation and reduction in service payouts for a social system created from the financing of said central bank, is our biggest national security problem. When that fake currency ceases to be able to hold value, and loses its status as the world reserve currency, we will all be extremely poor, and will be stuck in a perpetual police state of control by tyrants who have sold out to world government. Which is well on its way.

          This does not just involve the liberal faction of politics in America, but also the neo-conservative and conservative factions. Libertarians, as such, are the only ones who are addressing the core issues with a higher level of thought than those who are continuously reacting to fear of enemies that have never posed a military threat to the US, and who, in fact, can only conquer us through fear itself which manifests itself in bringing to fruition the very things that our enemies desire. What they desire is not that they conquer us militarily and divide the spoils of war, but rather that we cease being a world superpower.

          The most effective way to achieve this is through economics. Treaties served to de-industrialize our nation. Environmental laws have served to shut down use of our own resources and cause us to be dependent upon foreign entities for our very survival. Regulation, legislation, and taxation have served to overthrow free markets and replace them with crony capitalism. Our government is now engaging in fascism via bailouts and buyouts of private sector business’.

          Our government is the enemy of the people. There is no logic in trying to excuse it. Our government is not concerned about the definitions that we may apply to the isms of their actions. The agenda of the ruling elite political factions is not dissimilar concerning the outcomes of their actions. Therefor it is only most reasonable to determine that at very least, philosophically, the left/right divide is not so wide, and that semantics is all we are left with.

          Apparently those semantics are adequate in keeping the voting public busy arguing about the next round of selectly chosen candidates, who are chosen, by the way, by the corporate media heads and the political elites. Without these two factions of society working in lock step together, we might just choose normal people to represent us, rather than establishment politicians who have spent the better part of their careers learning how to lie and follow trends for the purpose of gaining favor in the electoral process that is controlled by the two party system to the extent of being impenetrable by anyone who does not share the same psychopathology of the ruling elite.

          But what do I know. The last grade I graduated was the tenth grade of my public propaganda prison box education. Maybe that is why I just can’t get it right.

            1. How do we continue to fund what is acceptable when our currency fails? What do we give up to continue the acceptable while we are enacting austerity here in the US? Maintaining our national defense empire is getting expensive.

            2. Buying foreign nation friendship with borrowed money, or otherwise and CIA coups is not good foreign policy either, and both parties do it. The ” They don’t like us” meme has motive behind it, and it isn’t simply because we are Amercans, or christian. That would be naive.

          1. Theres truth in your post. Crony capitalism is a speices of fascism and has been running rampid in America for generations. Its a form of economic discrimination exercised by both politcal machines. Its been a disease upon this nation in one degree to another since the ratification. Special interest in a nut shell. Corporations, and government out live people.

          2. Your command of the language and ready grasp of the subject matter are commendable at least and at most – worthy of knighthood.
            I dub thee knight of “Sir Loin”. You may rise and assume your mantle.
            I command you to go forth with your 10th grade education and Warner Brothers advanced training – and work marvels amongst the commoners – fashioning them into a force worthy of the great RP’s most humble and worthy leadership.
            May the great minds of the Harvard, Princeton, Dartmouth, Brown and the Yale lay palpably crumbled in your wake!

    1. Damn fine speech. They guy is just a little bit squirrelly, but I don’t care.

      Also, I think that South Carolina and Texas will put him in front.

      I still want Palin to run, though.

          1. Perry is toast in Texas.

            The good thing about Perry is that he’ll enhance the split of the establishment vote. I was disheartened that Paltry dropped out of the race because he was helping with this too. It’ll get even better when Palin gets in because she’ll siphon Bachman votes.

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