MSNBC Guest: Outdated Christianity causes gay people to get depressed or commit suicide

This is total bunk. A guest on MSNBC actually argues that outdated, misguided, and ill-informed religious teachings causes gay people to commit suicide or it makes them really depressed:

Of course he’s on to bash Romney over the head as some anti-gay hate-filled candidate who everyone should fear. Forget all the things we know about Romney and his compassionate lifestyle he’s lived. No, RUN FOR YOUR LIVES because he doesn’t agree with the gay lifestyle.

I wonder how long it will be before teaching people that homosexuality is a sin will become a crime, because that’s exactly where this mentality will take us. Leftists love to prescribe why people do things in a very macro oriented way and they love to make generic one-size-fits-all solutions. So at some point they see the problem of gay suicides and deem outdated Christian teachings as the problem, and then they say let’s get rid of outdated Christian teachings. Wallah, you get locked up when you teach the Bible.

This mentality is dangerous.

(h/t: Townhall)

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195 thoughts on “MSNBC Guest: Outdated Christianity causes gay people to get depressed or commit suicide

  1. Should the anus be used as a sex organ? Google First Scandal. When you get there, go to the top of the page and click on “Welcome University of Alabama Students.”

  2. why do we bother with talking about 1% of society, not about the other 99%? All they do is “in your face, look at me, we can get married too, hah! etc.
    Some even have very proper names like Ellen Degenaratis or something like that 😉

  3. Gay people are depressed regardless of religion…and finger point to Christianity all you want but no major religion supports homosexuality and never has. Blaming religion for impairment is scapegoat-ism and will never solve the problems inherent with homosexuality.

  4. What a bunch of bunk. Walter Cronkite was a closet liberal/socialist himself, so at this point we may be able to call it a “dishonor.”

  5. Living in a culture that permits men to sodomize each to each makes me want to commit suicide, so using the train of thinking offered by the guest on MSMBC, sodomites need to go away.

  6. Living in a culture where men sodomize each other makes me want to commit suicide. And seeing as sodomy predates Christianity, there is no reason that I should not expect it or its perpetrators to go away. After all why should I be offfended?

  7. There it is…outdated Christianity? Someone please tell me how Christianity can be “outdated.” Truth is truth! Truth doesn’t get outdated, it gets distorted and often replaced with outright lies. The Leftists replace truths with lies and call that progress. Evil never sleeps…

  8. Undecided voters should make their vote about gay marriage? ROFLMAO!!! Oh yeah, that is the most pressing issue on my mind!!

    I just can’t sleep at night because of it.

  9. The astounding point is that people like this man always harras Christians, they never ever talk about sharia law, under which gay people are being killed.

    Do they really want to dilute Christianity to the point that ‘being nice’ is all that Christians are allowed to preach? Do they not see that Christianity is the only bulwark against the islamisation of our countries there is?

    And don’t get me started on their underlying message, that all life is about is having sex unhindered …!

  10. Let me get this straight..even when someone puts a rope around his/her own neck, they’re not responsible for that either? What kind of moron buys this bullish** anyway?

  11. Instead of committing suicide they could repent before God, just as each and every person could do because all of us have sinned, and receive cleansing by the blood of Christ. Of course they feel guilty, they are. And, so are we all.

  12. I think they know deep down they are sinning and will ultimately be judged negatively when they die. I guess that’s pretty heavy pressure…

  13. It ones own demons that lead to such things…. Also all the liberal idealism and so called reach out centers must be at fault as well because they fail big time when suicide and depression win the day……

  14. It is easier to bash Christianity, and blame the very principles of Christ, and the Church teachings as outdated, and morally archaic. Try doing that with Islam, and their will be a death sentence on any college professor, film maker, politician, or media talking head.
    The silence on the left is deafening….

  15. It’s ok pertaining to the communist liberal that our soldiers are committing suicide but god forbid if something causes the homosexual to take their lives!

  16. Bunk, there’s a whole lot of people not living there lives by biblical standards and there not getting depressed and committing suicide because of it.

  17. First, we are all sinners. Since it is a struggle to accept God’s grace for our salvation, church is where we need to be. Second, the depression may be a symptom of the illness. Third, deep down they know something is wrong and by telling them that they are okay creates more conflict, doubt and stress as it would in any mental health illness.

    1. It’s called enablement. It’s what a loving parent unknowingly does when she gives her drug addicted child money “because she loves him” and doesn’t want to come across judgmental. Rather than helping, she’s unwittingly sending him to an early grave.

      The news media, repugnantcans, entertainers, liberals, they’re all doing the same thing with homosexuals. They are enabling behavior that will wind up killing them! Homosexuality is a SELF-DESTRUCTIVE behavior. If VD doesn’t get them, suicide or drug abuse will.

      You don’t enable reckless behavior, you cure it.

    2. Let me clarify. Yes, we are all sinners and Jesus died for all of our sins, IF we REPENT and turn from sin. When we refuse to acknowledge our sins and in fact deny that they are sins, then it’s a different ball game.

      We simply are not free to take what we like from the Bible and make up our own rules for other things. The general consensus is that because society has gradually become tolerant to homosexuality and it has been “downgraded” to a simple “lifestyle”, then Christianity needs to change. It simply doesn’t work that way. To believe that would be to believe that someday we could be conditioned to think that murder is okay as long as “society” accepts it.

      As society degrades further and further, our standards get lower and lower. The bible predicted this very thing would happen and now it’s happening.

      But I’m with you in that being suicidal and having mental issues comes from living is sin, 24/7/365, not from “Christianity”.

  18. So, is this true? Is it Christianity that causes homosexuals to commit suicide?

    Let’s find out:

    According to Dr N.E. Whitehead, Author of “My Genes Made Me Do it”:
    The authors of one study done in The Netherlands were surprised to find so much mental illness in h o m o s e x u a l people in a country where tolerance of h o m o s e x u a l i t y is greater than in almost all other countries.

    Another good comparison country is New Zealand, which is much more tolerant of h o m o s e x u a l i t y than is the United States. Legislation giving the movement special legal rights is powerful, consistently enforced throughout the country, and virtually never challenged. Despite this broad level of social tolerance, s u i c i d e attempts were common in a New Zealand study and occurred at about the same rate as in the U.S.

    Dr Whitehead says:

    Saghir and Robins (1978) examined reasons for s u i c i d e attempts among h o m o s e x u a l s and found that if the reasons for the attempt were connected with h o m o s e x u a l i t y, about 2/3 were due to breakups of relationships –not outside pressures from society.

    Similarly, Bell and Weinberg (1981) also found the major reason for s u i c i d e attempts was the breakup of relationships. In second place, they said, was the inability to accept oneself. Since h o m o s e x u a l s have greater numbers of partners and breakups, compared with h e t e r o s e x u a l s, and since longterm g a y male relationships are rarely monagamous, it is hardly surprising if s u i c i d e attempts are proportionally greater. The median number of partners for h o m o s e x u a l s is four times higher than for h e t e r o s e x u a l s.

    (Whitehead and Whitehead 1999, calculated from Laumann et al 1994)

    1. S u i c i d a l i t y Among H o m o s e x u a l s:

      Study #1:
      Arch Gen Psychiatry 1999 Oct; 56(10):876-80

      Is s e x u a l orientation related to mental health problems and suicidality in young people?
      Fergusson DM, Horwood LJ, Beautrais AL. Christchurch Health and Development Study, Christchurch School of Medicine, New Zealand.

      BACKGROUND: This study examines the extent to which g a y, l e s b i a n, and b i s e x u a l young people are at increased risk of psychiatric disorder and suicidal behaviors using data gathered on a New Zealand birth cohort studied to age 21 years.

      METHODS: Data were gathered during the course of the Christchurch Health and Development Study, a 21-year longitudinal study of a birth cohort of 1265 children born in Christchurch, New Zealand. At 21 years of age, 1007 sample members were questioned about their s e x u a l orientation and relationships with same-s e x partners since the age of 16 years. Twenty-eight subjects (2.8%) were classified as being of g a y, l e s b i a n, or b i s e x u a l s e x u a l orientation. Over the period from age 14 to 21 years, data were gathered on a range of psychiatric disorders that included major depression, generalized anxiety disorder, conduct disorder, and substance use disorders. Data were also gathered on suicidal ideation and suicide attempts.

      RESULTS: G a y , l e s b i a n, and b i s e x u a l young people were at increased risks of major depression (odds ratio [OR], 4.0; 95% confidence interval [CI], 1.8-9.3), generalized anxiety disorder (OR, 2.8; 95% CI, 1.2-6.5), conduct disorder (OR, 3.8; 95% CI, 1.7-8.7), nicotine dependence (OR, 5.0; 95%, CI, 2.3-10.9), other substance abuse and/or dependence (OR, 1.9; 95% CI, 0.9-4.2), multiple disorders (OR, 5.9; 95% CI, 2.4-14.8), s u i c i d a l ideation (OR, 5.4; 95% CI, 2.4-12.2), and s u i c i d e attempts (OR, 6.2; 95% CI, 2.7-14.3).

      CONCLUSIONS: Findings support recent evidence suggesting that g a y, l e s b i a n, and b i s e x u a l young people are at increased risk of mental health problems, with these associations being particularly evident for measures of suicidal behavior and multiple disorder.

      1. The Australian Research Centre in Sex, Health & Society published a study called “Private Lives: A report on the health and wellbeing of GLBTI Australians.” ( )

        The study is said to be the largest of its kind to date, which included surveying 5,500 gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender individuals on their lifestyles and mental health.

        Of those sampled, 63% were male; 35% were female; 100 were transgendered and 18 were intersexed individuals. Among males, 83% identified as gay; 9% identified as bisexual; 3% did not use an identity label and 2% identified as queer. Of the women surveyed, 49% identified as lesbians; 14% as gay women; 12% as bisexual; 7% did not use a label; 7% identified as dyke; and 6% as queer.

        More than 70% of those surveyed had no religious preference; 8% were Catholic; 6% Protestant; and 3% were Buddhists.

        The report found that 33% of the respondents reported having been in an abusive relationship with a same-sex partner. This included verbal or physical abuse. The abusive relationships were higher for women than for men, but was highest for transgendered males.

        Drug use was higher than among the general population. Marijuana, esctasy, speed and crystal were the drugs most often used.

        Forty percent of the males reported having pubic lice; one in five reported gonorrhea and more than one in ten men reported other STDs. Eight percent of the males were HIV positive. Females also contracted genital warts, chlamydia, herpes, candidiasis, urinary tract infections, vaginitis, PID and triochomonas.

        The report also found high rates of depression and suicidal ideation. Of those surveyed, 15.7% “indicated suicidal ideation (thoughts) in the two weeks prior to completing the survey. Depressive disorder was high: 48.6% for men and 44.4% of women scored at least one of the two criteria for a major depressive episode (MDE).

        Two thirds of the men surveyed said they had engaged in casual sex in the past six months. Of those, 39.9% did not use a condom.

        Six percent of the men had paid for sex in the past 12 months and 5% had received payment for sex.

        Lesbians report a range of sexual practices: 57.6% reported receiving oral sex; 59.6% reported giving oral sex; and other explicit sex practices are listed.

      2. I haven”t studied them or the subject but from my observations as a group they are Unhappy and Hateful, so where does the gay part come in?

        On what authority does this guy speak on what should be taught from the pulpits?

        I agree with TRS where this kind of thinking is headed for in the future.

  19. Hmmm…. I didn’t realize that the “Mormons” were such gay haters. I thought they just wanted to exercise their “God Given Right” and Practice their religion. Do they think Homosexuality is a sin… Yes! Just like many other Christian religions and the religion Islam. Do Mormons spew vile hatred toward the “sinner”. Nope. Love the sinner, hate the sin seems to be the motto.

  20. Of course they never speak ill of the teachings of Islam where they kill homosexuals. I would like to see the number of suicides actually attributed to christian teachings.

  21. Frank Luntz was on Hannity’s radio show today. Luntz said that things were looking too good for Romney before the debates started and that Romney clearly won the debate season.

    Luntz said that he thinks that Romney will win the popular vote and that it’s going to be very close in Ohio, but if he had to pick right now he’d say that OBAMA WINS OHIO TO GET ENOUGH ELECTORAL VOTES TO GET REELECTED!

    I keep thinking Luntz is wrong but this is way too close to take anything for granted. We cannot allow Obama to win. Everyone needs to do everything they can to help. The time is now. The future of our great country and that our our kids and grandkids depends on it.

    1. I think Luntz has great mechanism technics in publics monitoring concerning their moods and emotion at a certain issue in certain time like the ecconomy at the moment, or foriegn issue or unemployment etc, etc.

      To monitor the public at large in what they believe or their idea in many issues, I can say there is a vast enermous silent majority very able of shuting and opening doors they see fit or unfit in their lifes journey. Silent majority showed up in Gay marriage in CA and voted their will and beliefs, although overturned by a gay judge

      All we can do is vote and invite others to vote O out of office

  22. I don’t think the average person thinks about gay people or their lifestyle, until someone brings it up in regards to their “rights.” Do they need or deserve “special rights”?

    If someone is gay… what do I care? I don’t. When there is a gay pride parade or this guy forcing their agenda on the public I am then more likely to say “screw you” get your gay out of my face.

    1. Granting special rights to one man over another, grants power to one man over another.

      That, and that alone, is why the Left is the champion of “causes”.

  23. Einstein debated an atheist professor who was demeaning Christian students in his class. The main point I came away from the conversation with was the analogy of darkness / light and evil / God. There happens to be no measurement of darkness but there is a measurement of amounts of light (lumens) thus varying degrees of darkness is nothing more than varying amounts of light (or the lack of light). So all things being relative in the same way evil is nothing more than the lack of God’s presence. Sin can be found in those varying shades of darkness, who other than God himself can say the sin of Homosexuality is a darker shade of sin than somebody’s jealousy of a neighbor’s car, wife, job, life…??? The Bible is not outdated it is just that it is inconvenient truth that gets in the way of a sinners needs, wants and desires thus they call it outdated just like they call the Constitution outdated because it gets in the way of these Progressive’s desire for a Socialist Society. As always the answer to all of these types of issues is to seek God’s presence thus stepping into the light and stepping away from darkness (sin).

  24. “Nor did demons crucify Him; it is you who have crucified Him and crucify Him still, when you delight in your vices and sins.” St. Francis of Assisi

  25. The ‘gay lifestyle’ is- at best- a mild perversion. At worst…don’t want to go there. If I remember correctly, St. Augustine was responsible for the general Christian attitude towards all sexual matters, because he over indulged in his youth. Maybe he was just trying to keep others from making his own mistakes, to spare others great heartache. It’s not like your average Christian is going to behead someone over a mild perversion, even if they tell you it is a sin and you will go to hell for it (ie it is Gods judgement to make)…but to blame Christianity in general for someone who is basically, down deep, feeling bad about themselves for their own behavior is wrong on so many levels I cannot begin to express the wrongness. It’s much worse than the actual behavior.

    Far from getting me to condone so-called ‘gay marriage’, this pushiness, looking for a scapegoat, and general aggressive insistence on making everyone accept one of the most perverse behaviors I can think of, I am coming around to thinking that it is something that needs to be driven back into the shadows and condemned by society at large instead of being accepted as normal behavior with all the benefits that true marriage rightfully accrues.

    1. It is not even that complicated. Homosexual acts are a sin in the eyes of God. Should a Christian commit that sin, they have a path for forgiveness and perhaps salvation – through Jesus Christ. Rationalizing or renegotiating the nature of that sin with God, as this man is suggesting, are not options.

      If “society” wants to condemn it or drive it back, society needs then only to re-embrace God.

      As the movie that deeme linked to above points out, men like the one in this video interview do not care about gays, they use gays to champion a poison pill for the Church.

      1. Agree on all points.

        Sex was meant to be a sacrament in the beginning, I think.

        They (people such as the ones in the clip) play with forces intent on destroying the foundations of civilization. I wonder how many of themrealize what a hot fire they are playing with, and how many are simple dupes.

        It is a sin in the eyes of God, but Augustine went a bit overboard with it. imo
        Note, I said Augustine, not God.

        And, it is complicated. It’s just that the solution isn’t, really. My thoughts on it.

  26. So what’s his point? Wouldn’t that be gay people’s problem and not Christian’s problem? If it offends gay people, then they either shouldn’t be Christians, find a branch of Christianity that doesn’t offend them, or start their own church. It’s a free country (at least for the next 12 days). We need to stop allowing ourselves to be ruled by the “offended.”

    1. Here’s the thing about political Left in general…They don’t like hard work. That’s why they don’t consider the notion of building their own. They want someone else to do it, then they’ll overtake it and claim credit on it. They want you to bend over to them. They will do anything and everything as a means to an end. To get their way.

  27. I have $5 that says these are the same people who told us the spread of Aides was a secret CIA operation.

          1. You are right about that they don’t call him the father of lies for nothing. If we did what they wanted and all suddenly became attracted to the same sex..aborted any pregnancies that caused us trauma , because even though my grandma delivered over three thousand babies as a midwife and said it wasn’t an illness..but now suddenly it’s a war on woman to have babies…even when we pass out free crap to prevent it , even though, Roe lied and said she was raped to get an abortion and is now pro life and regrets it., if we did what they want, all that would be left would be the World and after all isn’t that their aim..they want a World with no life messing it up..

  28. I’d love to see the empiric evidence how “outdated” religious teachings are ruining our society. It seems that the progressive movement is the cult-ish movement killing America.

  29. The Talmud says God did not destroy the world with the flood until they started practicing Gay and Animal marriages. God gave to Noah 7 laws – called the Noahide Laws – and covenanted that he would never again destroy the earth by water. That covenant was bound by the rainbow and there is one law for each color of the rainbow. The Noahide Laws lists a prohibition of sexual immorality, specifically homosexual, incest, and bestial relationships.

    Today, the LGBT community has hijacked the rainbow as their symbol, purposefully flaunting they lifestyle in the face of God’s covenant symbol. How can God protect our nation in the face of such blatant disregard for his most basic laws??

    I’m glad MSNBC brought up the LDS Church’s unwavering position on this issue. As a Mormon, I am proud to stand for God and his laws.

  30. Really? And what’s the take on outdated islam? Turn the whole world over to them you say? Let them do whatever they want wherever they want and scream racism and islmaphobe if anyone objects? Great plan.

  31. This man is so confused but this is the method of the “liar”, that old serpent who confuseth the whole world. The man in this interview is weakminded and is an easy target to become the mouthpiece of hatred of the Christ. God help him. He needs all the prayerful help we can give him.

  32. Outdated Christianity…? Didn’t know Christianity had an expiration date.

    Does this man think the Muslims are Outdated too? (No homos in Muslim lands.)

    FYI Thomas Roberts is a recent bride.

    1. Isaiah 40:8 NAS
      The grass withers, the flower fades, But the word of our God stands forever.

      Revelation 22:12-16
      “Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.

      I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

      Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter by the gates into the city.

      Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying.

      I, Jesus, have sent My angel to testify to you these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

  33. great job bringing this inerview in the open RS.

    many have a better view of libs media attempt in misguiding public in this L&G issue. so ofthen Christian and Judaism blamed for all ill fate of this particular choise lifestyle. My God is a Healer, a Lifter, a Comforter and His name is LOVE.

    This activist can learn of that and find the Christian leader a citizen of Israel, that did never hasitate to come in form of flesh, to seek and to save not only I ,but him and all gays and lesbian that may ever be willing !


        1. Amen, brother! Love His Name! 🙂

          “Acts 22:16
          And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.”

  34. I think that gay people calling Christians homophobic makes them depressed and want to commit suicide. It should be illegal to call people homophobic. Hey, they’re trying to make it illegal to buy a Big Gulp in NYC, let’s give it a shot.

  35. Like it or not we all have right and wrong pre-wired into our DNA. We can’t fight against what God wants us to know by ignoring the facts, or telling ourselves that he does or doesn’t exist. Those who sin will blame it on God looking for another way out of their predicament. In the end, Christians don’t have to point out or judge a person because of the sin they commit. That person will always know if they are doing right or wrong, and will end up judging their own way of life. They certainly don’t need us telling them what they do is wrong! They already know……..

    It’s just how we’re all made!

    1. people perish for no knowledge, GO TELL IT ON THE MOUNTAIN, HILLS, VALLEY AND EVERYWHERE,
      how would they know if they don’t understand, or listen or ever taught. have nothing to do with judgemental !

      1. At issue here is homosexuality and that person being depressed! When people apply their own rule above and beyond God’s Law? They already know what they do is wrong! People who sin have had many hard core Christians in their face telling them what they do is wrong! So they do know…….

        When someone makes a choice to sin against the Father? No matter how many others they find to band together with and persue that sin, they will never be happy! No until they know and understand the word of God, will they be truely happy.

        1. I don’t think so. Did you learn your theories from a Bazooka Joe gum wrapper? It’s cartoonish. It’s also naive, ridiculous, and just plain stupid.

          1. People who know what they do is wrong before doing so are still guilty of sin!

            I’ll leave you with this. The next time you do what it is you don’t want to claim as sin, but know it is? Ask God to forgive you for the act of sinning against him! You may gain happiness?

            Brought to you by the Bible, and a recent fortune cookie :^)

  36. If you’re Black, anything a white man says is racist. If you’re Gay, anything a Christian says is homophobic. If you’re a Liberal, you’re an idiot. Oh, wait. Sorry. That one slipped in there. My bad.

    MSNBC is such a wonderful network. Always fair, balanced, and even-tempered. Time to throw them into the Air America junk heap, before they hurt themselves.

    Preaching more tolerance seems to mean “my way, or the highway”. How tolerant.

  37. The anchor himself (Tom Roberts) is gay. That’s all they think about. And they call us crazy.

    Remember that time when the whole country was talking about bullying? And then the virulent liberal gay community hijacked the movement? As if people don’t get bullied for other reasons! These folks destroy their own cause.

    1. Not the first time they hijacked a movement, they also hijacked the black civil rights movement of the 60’s and made it there own.

      Also on the issue of marriage, I can’t recall any society in history redefining marriage. Marriage is the basic building block of any society, change it and it’s going to have a fundamental affect on society as well.

  38. I noticed he wasn’t concerned about obama’s religion. That’s something else we don’t know about obama….actually we know very little about the stranger in the White House!

  39. You want to hear some anti-gay hatred, come visit the Bronx. I triple dare this clown to go into a black or Latino church with that statement.

    Off topic, how bias is CNN? Look how they describe an upcoming Paul Ryan rally:

    06:45 PM

    America’s Choice 2012: Ryan rally

    GOP vice presidential candidate Rep. Paul Ryan holds a so-called “victory rally” with supporters at a business in Charlottesville, Virginia.

    So-called? Really?

    1. So what’s a Biden rally called according to CNN … ? A “literal” victory rally, not a so-called one?

  40. I bet this guy is a trumpeter of the greatness of the islamic faith. Try being part of the LGBT community in Iran, Saudi Arabia, etc, oh wait they dont have one of those communities because those people are either stoned or beheaded by the folks of the muslim faith.

  41. Well in Canada parents who Home school can’t teach their kids that its a sin now so yeah, 5 to 10 years from now this world is going to be hell for Christians again

    1. How is this enforced if the kids are homeschooled? Does the government send people in and ask the kids specific questions? I am very interested in knowing. We homeschool down here and always want to be alert to what may be coming down the pipe.

  42. God does not want us to judge, but to love others. If people are unable to do that then they need to take down their Christian sign. If anything makes gay people depressed it is the intolerance they experience just about every day of their lives. If they felt they were more accepted perhaps they would allow God to work in their lives. But they aren’t gong to do that if they think they are going to hell anyway. There are a lot of Christians who are simply hypocrites.

    1. Um, wow….God doesn’t want us to judge? Where to begin in how wrong you are.
      Do you ever read the Bible? Well, try telling Paul we’re not to judge, especially sexual sins.
      If you’re going to blame Christians for the ill effects of living a homosexual lifestyle, I suppose it’s the fault of Christians that women kill their babies in or just outside of the womb too?
      How about those who steal, or murder the already living, how about….
      There are alot of people, you among them, who give very, very bad advice.

      1. (agree with you…) and don’t forget that Jesus loved righteousness and hated iniquity. He healed, he taught, he raised the dead, he fed the multitudes, he calmed the storms, and he is leading the 144,000 into battle against the Beast and the Dragon. To do all that he has to be able to “judge righteous judgement” (which he told US to do too) and know what is true and what is a lie, what is good and what is evil.

    2. Being gay is a sin, just like adultery or fornication is for heterosexuals. One thing I think some Christians do is make homosexuality this “special” sin that’s worse than all the others, it’s not. If a person has a propensity to steal, they need to resist acting on it, just like if they have a propensity toward homosexuality they need to resist it as well.

      1. It isn’t the Christian who is making homosexuality a “special” sin, it’s the fact that particular “sin” is now being touted as a normal lifestyle and in that process Christians are about to loose their God given rights and duty to defend the faith.
        The homosexual community has made it, “special”, imo.

        1. I agree, I’m just pointing out that in God’s eyes sin is sin. So the person commiting adultery or stealing is just as guilty as the homosexual.

          1. Regarding all sexual immorality:
            I Corinthians 6:18

            ‘Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body.’

          2. Sin is sin. The homosexual sin in God’s eyes is just as reprehensible as hating someone and stealing a paperclip at work. Jesus came to die for sinners. Guess what? We are all guilty before God. I’m inclined to use badbadlibs approach to reach not just homosexuals but all sinners with Good News of Christ, but to do that we must Love the soul enough to share that message with them.

    3. Please read Romans chapter 1.

      God is holy and hates sin. He does not accept people who have rejected Him and whose live’s practice is rebellion against Him.

      But God has made a way of reconciliaton and does receive all who come in confession of sin, repentance (turning away) from sin, believing on the Lord Jesus Christ, His perfect life, death, shedding His own blood and taking our punishment upon Himself, His burial and His rising from the dead on the third day, according to the Scriptures!

      Please read John chapter 3.

      There are Christians who have come out of practicing homosexuality.

      I Corinthians 6:9-11
      ‘Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

      nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

      Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.’

  43. Hey, butt pirate. Being a fag is a sin and quite disgusting. I can not stand hershey highway drivers.

      1. Well, you do understand that those of us who cling to our Bibles and Guns and have remained silent too long have chosen to use and enforce our 1st amendment rights.

        1. Mike, I don’t think that’s funny. We can discuss these issues like adults, we don’t need to get derailed.

          1. I respectfully disagree. We have allowed the conversation to be defined and run by the gay/lesbian minority and if you’re more bothered by my language than by their behavior, then they have already neutralized you. I won’t be neutralized with the “that’s offensive” argument. Sodomy is a sin and it’s against the law. It’s time to call spades, spades.

              1. Scoop always has the right to delete any comment he wants. You know what I find disgusting? Proposing that gay marraige be made legal. Allowing an Ambassador to be killed. Voter fraud. Irresponsible spending and taxing by an illegal government. I repeat, Scoop can always delete anything he wants but unlike the things I’ve listed I am supported by the first ammendment. I didn’t yell fire in a theatre, I called a faggot a faggot. Get over it.

    1. That was disgusting Mike, true but disgusting, hilarious but disgusting, telling-it-like-it-really-is but over the top and disgusting. You should be ashamed and I would say “shame on you Mike” if I wasn’t laughing so hard I can barely type.

    2. Anymore when I sense an argument of “gay rights” or the converse bigoty thereof, I try to pause things and say something like,…..

      “before this goes any further lets all admit that the only thing that sets them apart is what they do in bed, so lets be perfectly explicit just exactly what they do in bed” Graphic descriptive examples follow.

      It usually works avoid the inevitable sanctimonious, politically correct accusations of my closed mindedness.

      Mike just cut to the chase.

    3. Comment policy…

      4.Disgusting. Let’s avoid toilet humor and pornographic commentary. We’re not in third grade any more.

      1. You best keep in mind that I’ve spent my life being called a racist, a baby killer, and a nazi and anytime I call out the BS I’ve been told to grow up and get over it. It is only words. Are you suggesting that I must abide by different rules than faggots? Not going to happen.

  44. Not sure what was worse…

    The “Activist” spewing his rhetoric, or…

    The “Host” who didn’t even consider challenging the assertions.

    1. Exactly Joseph,

      Why would this even make the air? Someone really booked this guest to talk about this? Isn’t the absurdity obvious?


  45. Christians love all sinners and count themselves as sinners too just so it is said. However, you can forget Christians absolving you of the sin of perpetual wrong-doing. Wont happen.

    Tell you what, why don’t you try taking this thinking to the Sharia country of your choice, let’s see how long gays get to feel depressed before they are publicly executed.

  46. You would never hear anyone say anything like this about Islam, even though many Islamic countries including Iran hang homosexuals in public as an example. Their love affair with Islam is so strong, they refuse to see anything wrong with it, including the fact that Islam is also anti-abortion. They wont discuss it. If you want to talk about a “war on women”, go to any Islamic country for a couple of days. You will see a real and violent war on women.

    Everything Islamic is wonderful. Everything Christian/Judaic is evil. This is the new mantra of the Left and the Democrats.

      1. Yes. It is clear to see that the Left conciders Christianity, of any kind, and the small number of Jews who are not already with them, such as pro-Israel Jews, to be an impediment to their goal of universal totalitarianism.

        1. Actually that is true only of their public face to get money and win elections. The left is the first to use or toss out a gay slur or racial epithet when they think no one is looking or listening.

      2. Yes the Nazis and the homosexuals were also temporary allies. It came to end on the night of the long knives. June 30 1934. After they had served their purpose.

    1. That’s because they and ten other people would be dead the next day. The news media and hollywood are scared to ‘death’ of them.

    2. including the fact that Islam is also anti-abortion

      … except when it comes to the kuffar. The fewer infidels the better, so the infidels are allowed to kill their own in the womb… and in case that doesn’t work out, Muslims will do it for them post-partum. Coming soon to an infidel land near you.

      With a modest amount of learning about authentic and doctrinaire Islam, revelation about this Religion of Peace comes real quick. Think like a Muslim and you won’t be taken by surprise.

    3. And we need to keep pointing it out. Every day. As shield correctly stated, they are temporary allies. Otherwise, you’d hear them trumpet about the real war on women in Islam and the murdering of gays simply because they are gay. And since they don’t…it reveals that they have a deep disdain for both women and gays in reality.

    4. Everything you say about Islam is absolutely true however, this man’s context is in the United States, which isn’t an Islamic country.

      1. Correct but they don’t consider it sex. It is considered domination. Asians also have this in their culture. That is why they dismiss any all claims of homosexuality. In Afghanistan it is so bad that there are lots of tribal men who don’t know to have sex with their wives. They think because they don’t love the man they are having sex with it isn’t sex. They cannot understand why their wives aren’t getting pregnant.

  47. Well, it is MSLSD isn’t it… where they ‘challenge’ people to personel fist fights after building straw man arguments…

    1. Noah’s day never had anything to do with Homosexuality… Sorry that your church taught you that lie

        1. Well PJ… Perhaps you should study the issue a little deeper.

          Take heed that no man deceive you.

          1. OK, BHBaptist…my church has used the Septuagint for 2 thousand years…Jesus quoted from it in almost all of his Old Testament references…is it in your KJV? Do you think this guy discovered something? What is your point exactly?

            Sin had spread so that it had become acceptable in society. The great flood symbolizes the consequences of wide spread sin…all sin..”But the earth was corrupt in the view of God and full of lawlessness.” Gen 6:11 Kind of sounds familiar. If you think homosexual sex is not sin-and imagining that all sins of the flesh were any less common then than now-well, then that is your choice…you can keep God far away from your pants. Trusting what your “heart” tells you is good, rather than what God says is good is also the same ole original sin of pride. Once again, our society seems quite familiar.

            You may like this

            I think it sizes it up pretty well.

            1. PJ…

              I don’t think you took an honest look at the link I set you up with.

              You’re talking about “sin”…

              I’m talking about something … worse.

              That word “corrupt”… you think it means something having to do with morality…

              I’m saying… it’s worse.

              The discovery here is that … oh… somewhere around the 4th Century, Augustine and some other early church fathers… changed the ideas and concepts of Warfare against Powers and Principalities… and replaced it with a moralistic and legalistic version of the faith….

              The idea that God sent the flood to wipe out all the “bad” people… is naive, juvenile… and a lie.

              If you are familiar with the recent movie “Prometheus”… you’ll find a very similar storyline as that of Genesis 6.

              I’m not saying that you are wrong in your beliefs… just misinformed.

              1. You also didn’t read my response. I am well aware of the bigger picture buckethead. The great flood symbolized the consequences of a people…a whole society that had turned its back on God…and corruption IS sin. Its a little hard to disconnect morality from the equation. You seem to be a little too focused on the sex part for some reason. (Me thinks you doth protest too much)

                I am also well aware that not all sin and corruption has to do with sins of the flesh…but it runs pretty deep in all areas of “corruption” in our human frailty. Augustine didn’t change the focus of spiritual warfare against powers and principalities, he pointed out that that warfare is personal. What is the goal of Satan? He hates humanity and wants to keep us separated from God. The only way that happens is from our own free will…we choose to separate ourselves from God…this is sin. Habitual, normalized sin moves us in bits and pieces away from God…personally and as a whole people. God doesn’t leave us, we may however turn our back on Him. I think I read somewhere about the wages of sin being death.

                Try the Screw Tape Letters. Powers and Principalities have no power whatsoever against the saving power of Jesus, however the evil one knows our sinful weaknesses and convinces our “hearts” we know better than God and His pretty clear commandments. That is what pride is- juvenile and naive…if someone thinks they can form God in their own likeness and image rather than conform to his will. Adam and Eve anyone?

                If Prometheus is a version of the Left Behind series and the end times and you hold these “stories” as biblical then I have news for you as to whom may be misinformed. Good stories with wake up call messages-maybe- but not necessarily widely accepted theology on the end times. Rapture theology is quite new in the grand scheme of things…but just like once saved always saved that’s a theological discussion for another day.

        2. If “Christians” were more concerned about what’s going on in people’s hearts… instead of what’s going on in their pants… they might actually be able to reach people who need the Father.

          Trouble is… most “Christians”… never REALLY got saved… they just got GUILTED into saying they were sorry to an authority figure somewhere along the way.

          1. You’re an idiot…there! See! I can be JUST as childish as you are…

            Go elsewhere to spout your BS…we know what’s right, and you’ll be hard-pressed to find anyone here gullible enough to believe your insane arguments.

            Noah’s Ark was populated with one of each sex for one of two reasons:
            1. Just because
            2. To repopulate the Earth

            THAT is why gays were excluded…they were dead weight regarding the repopulation of a GODLY human population.

              1. Anytime…I’m not your typical Christian, in that I don’t put up with the typical BS coming from the self-righteous. IF you think you are holier than us, then please spare us your presence. IF you think we are just more evil than you, then again…please spare us your presence. NO ONE cares…

                1. It appears that if you had said “I’m not a Christian”… you would have more accurately described yourself… or at least your words and attitude.

                  You would do well to vacate yourself.

                2. Vacate yourself…that’s awesome! LOL!

                  I’m a Confirmed Catholic…I don’t need religous lessons from you…

                  Now HERE’S a lesson for you…count the number of “likes” you’ve received on this website. Multiply them by about 15 and you’ll be around where I am. I am in no hurry to be “accepted” by you…

          2. What is going on in their pants is a direct reflection and action of what is going on in their hearts. Even so I have no problem with it until they make it my problem which they seem hellbent on doing.

          3. Ever hear of “love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control”? You should give a try sometime.

              1. We’re all hypocrits Bucket. Try to be kind and compassionate to your fellow christian brethren 🙂

          1. I have in more way than you can or will ever comprehend. Attack away dearie but your opinion doesn’t make it fact or trump anyone. You remind me of what Christ said about planks and eyes.

        1. ConHip…

          The commentary offered by the poster… is a direct reflection of the ignorance of the bible that the guy in the video is talking about.

          It was a valid criticism.

            1. Here’s a test of who is false… and who is telling the truth.

              Find a bible… preferably one that is ten years old or more… one showing a map of Egypt… with possible routes of the Exodus would be nice.

              Please locate where they have Mt. Sinai on the map… and tell me what country do they show it in?

              1. That’s a trick question, and you know it. If you will remember, Israel has owned that land since the beginning of time. It was the Palestinians (Muslims) that declared war on the Jews, and tried to push them into the ocean (Eradicate them). We recognize Israel because IT IS THEIR LAND. PERIOD. As far as any lands they gained from the wars…well…spoils of war. Yet another constant reminder as to why you don’t FU*K with Israel…

                1. I fail to see how you think it’s a “trick question”…

                  Unless you can’t read a map.

              2. Why don’t you find one older than that? Did you know that the Founding Father’s of this country, most especially Washington and Adams, wanted to restore the Jews to the Holy Land? Find all sorts of Bibles printed in all sorts of years by all sorts of men and it won’t make a difference. You have failed to prove that one man’s word is better than another man words and why they should prevail over all others.

                1. Laurel…

                  I’m not sure what thread you are reading… I never said ANYTHING about the Jews… somebody else brought that up. I’m not anti-semitic in ANY way.

                  My question about the location of Mt. Sinai … has to do with the maps in nearly everyone’s bibles showing it located in the “Sinai” Peninsula of Egypt… which is totally incorrect. In the book of Exodus, Sinai is said to be in “Midian”… which we know as Medina today (in Saudi Arabia). In the book of Galatians , Paul emphatically states that it is located in … Arabia (v4:25).

                  Several people have been to it… and have documented it as well as possible, given that the country is virtually a police state. The information is easily found on the internet… and has been for AT LEAST TEN YEARS, and that is why I used the 10 year demarcation.

                  Yet… nearly every bible STILL lists Mt. Sinai in the Egyptian Peninsula… and I’d like to know WHY?

                  On the issue of the Founding Fathers… I’m well aware of their generosity of having the United States be the first country in over a millennium to give Jews full citizenship status. Here’s one for you, one of the charges that Thomas Jefferson gave to the crew of the Corps of Discovery (The Lewis & Clark Expedition)… was to be on the lookout for any of the “Lost Tribes” of Israel among the Native American tribes of the West. While they did not find any… they did find Tribes that had stories of having faced “giants in the land” when they first came to the Americas.

                  I believe in the death & burial of a man named Yeshua… as described in advance by the scriptures known as the Old Testament.

                  I believe he was resurrected 3 FULL days later… as described in advance by the scriptures known as the Old Testament.

                  I believe he is the fulfillment of the Prophecy of the “seed of the Woman” as given by Jehovah/Yahweh/G*d when He declared war on “The Shining One” and HIS seed in Genesis 3.

                  Now… why would you want to be so virulently attacking of me when apparently my only offense is to have said that any church who taught that the days of Noah were about Homosexuality happening… lied?

                  There is absolutely NOTHING in Genesis 6 about Homosexuality. NOTHING.

                  And to claim that there is… gives proof to the assertion that the guy in the video is making about modern Christianity.

                  If people who love truth… and love the bible examined the scripture… then this discussion would never have been necessary.

                2. Ok I think you and I are misreading one another here. I accept your word and thank you for your clarification. Sexual perversion is one of the reasons God flooded the earth. My Bible is correct but it is older than ten years. It contains no maps but does hold the correct scripture. As to attacking, no I’m not but you are pretty virulent in your beliefs and that’s fine, good for you. However this is still America and people are entitled to disagree with those beliefs and hold their own. As to whom is correct or not, I will leave that to God. Telling people that they don’t love the truth and haven’t examined the scripture only bolsters my point about your virulence.

                  And yes dear I have studied the Bible both in many many churches from many many angles as well as in academic setting for decades.

                  I also will not accept any fool on any tv show prattling on about how mean Christians are to homosexuals for a litany of reasons. You can defend that abomination if you like. Homosexuality is a mental impairment pure and simple. It is against the tenets of most religions around the world and all established religions around the world. It has never built not one single civilization but it has torn down many. Now you go ahead and prattle on about the book of Genesis and maps while you miss the bigger picture in the process.

                  And if you don’t want to be picked on then don’t pick fights.

                  P.S. Arabia used to be the general description of the entire Middle East. Saudia Arabia is a Geo-political description because that portion of Arabia is ruled by the House of Saud.

                3. Laurel, I appreciate the decrease in the tone level… and I don’t mind being picked on… but I didn’t start the fight… but that point doesn’t really matter now.

                  As far as Truth lovers go… I’m sure you are one. I’m sure you want to know what the book says…. and I’m sure you study and research it as best you can.

                  My background has led me into ministry of the Homosexual community a few times… and my only interest is to bring them into the family… get them saved… and then let the Holy Spirit work on their life… just like it does for EVERYBODY else.

                  My biggest problem with how mainstream Christianity approaches the Homosexual community … is that it expects Homosexuals to change their life FIRST… and then get saved… and that is not how it works for anybody else. In fact that method is in direct opposition to what the Gospel is all about. It’s not a works based salvation… at least not on the works of the individual.

                  Mainstream Christianity has sadly devolved into a works based salvation methodology… and the strongest evidence is with how it has dealt with the Homosexual community. Granted… there is an activist leadership that is provoking the current hostility… but they are only taking advantage of what I observe as duplicity in Modern Mainstream Christian teaching.

                  I’m pretty sure you are not going to agree with any of my opinion on this… because I can tell from your statements that you are in a mindset that is not approaching this from the direction that I am. I’m not saying that you are wrong… but just in a different place that we’re not going to see eye to eye on many things.

                  As I look back on all the comments here in this thread… I’ve yet to see anyone concerned with the salvation of that community… It seems that people are only interested in the judgement of it… and I can’t find Jesus’ ministry ever having acted like that… except with how he dealt with the legalists of his day.



                4. BB you made an assumption that isn’t yours to make. I actually agree with most of what you said. People must be interested in the judgment of it in order to combat the mainstreaming of homosexuality. Not everyone who is gay is interested in being saved m’dear.

                  Be careful of your hubris BB because it is wrong footing you and becoming off putting. If you truly seek to lead people to salvation then I suggest a little self reflection. You seem more concerned with the niche you have carved then with religion in general and the mission you are on. Christ didn’t just save homosexual sinners and I am sure he wouldn’t appreciate for every person led to salvation four more alienated away from it.

                  As to the comments…it appears Christ appointed you to be concerned but not everyone. Don’t worry about the priorities of others. Worry about yours. You can face God for your actions alone and not the actions of others.

                5. It would be nice if you could make an accusation that didn’t describe yourself 10 times more than the person you are accusing.

                6. “I know what you are but what am I” comments lack intellect BB and ruin your christian credibility. I am not accusing you of anything. I’m making an observation.

                  Have a nice day,

                7. I will pay you $1000 if you can prove that Homosexuality had something to do with the flood of Noah.

                8. Since you are the type that always has to have the last word…

                  Give me the evidence… and it will be on its way via FedEx.

                9. No it appears you are the type that has to have the last word. You are also very much on the fringe of life I see. As I said get a life and get some help…you need it.

          1. Bucket it’s not that I necessarily disagree with your position, I just think you telling the psoter that his church lie to him was too strong of language. If you want my opinion, I’ve heard all sides on this issue and I file it under Deuteronomy 29:29. There are some things we will not know fully until we get to heaven, until then I think the battle should be focused on the forces of evil, not inner-family squabbles, especially in these Last Days.

            1. ConHip…

              I appreciate that you gave a valid criticism of what I said… rather than throwing around invectives and name calling.

              I was not happy to learn that I was lied to either. Please understand… I have not said the Bible lied… or God lied… I said their Church lied.

              Be not deceived my friend… If I were going to spout off blasphemies and heresies… I would worm my way into a corrupted church and lead it to a Prosperous future as a self help group… or kill it with legalism.

              I’m far more interested in saving sinners… and that would most especially include Homosexuals… but… Christians find them a far easier target for God to deal with than themselves and their building programs… while they piss away their sovereignty to the state through Public Schools, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security, Obamacare… Why do the aged need God anymore … when the Government does such a fine job taking care of them?

              Christians have been bought for far less than they’d like to admit.

              Look at our Presidential race… I have a Facebook account full of Pastors who’ve posted pictures of Billy Graham endorsing Mitt Romney for President…

              Why you’d think he was an Angel of Light or something…

              I mean… they so easily roll over for the agent of the White Mormon Luciferian Angel… because they fear the agent of the Brown Islamic Luciferian Angel that currently resides in 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

              So easily were they bought.

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