Mt. Soledad Cross deemed unconstitutional, ordered removed by judge



The Mt. Soledad Cross was part of a veteran’s memorial, but unfortunately it has to come down now because it was deemed unconstitutional by some idiot judge:

NBC SAN DIEGO – The controversial cross on Mt. Soledad was deemed unconstitutional by a federal judge in San Diego on Thursday, meaning the cross could come down within the next few months.

A federal judge issued an order declaring the 43-foot Latin cross violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution and unlawfully endorses one religion over others.

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The cross, part of the Mt. Soledad Veterans Memorial, was challenged in 2006 lawsuit by the Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America and several local residents, all represented by the American Civil Liberties Union and the ACLU of San Diego & Imperial Counties.

In 2011, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the cross violated the First Amendment. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case, and it was sent back to federal court in San Diego, where Thursday’s order was issued.

The order states the cross must be moved within 90 days. If there’s an appeal on that ruling, the process could be delayed.

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USMC 64-68
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USMC 64-68

This tyranny comes to us from liberals (democrats) who are intent on the subversion of our culture. To do that, they’ve been assaulting the foundation – the philosophy, values, principles of our founders.

Unfortunately, through their propaganda, these marxist democrats (w/the help of the ACLU) have been successful in these efforts, re, the 1st amendment. Once distorted, they’ve worked tirelessly to destroy people’s connection to an authoritative source of morality and ethics.

Once that’s destroyed, we are open to their “transformed America.”

timerunnersc
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timerunnersc

A 9th Circuit of misfits, and a rogue US supreme court and a fraud president. Yes America your definitely in good hands. Just as are/were the people of Russia , China, and Nazi Germany.

Tollthis
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Tollthis

There are many Stars of David at this War Memorial. This whole thing was bought up by a bunch of scummy athiest trying to stir up hate against Jews. Federal law has designated this as a War Memorial. Does this moronic judges decree mean we have to pull up all the Crosses in Arlington National Cemetery and other National Cemetaries in the U.S.. The First Amendment of our Constitutiion gives us freedom of religion, not freedom from religion. Another idiotic ruling by an America hating judge.

Liberals_are_idiots
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Liberals_are_idiots

Get out and VOTE in 2014!…DO NOT VOTE FOR democrat’s! democrats want a socialistic, secular society.

tocof
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tocof

People, if your angry about this ruling, you have no one to blame but yourselves, your churches and the government you elected (or didn’t elect because you didn’t vote or get involved). The ENTIRE reason that this decision happened is because not enough of you stood up to defend your values and Christ in the ‘public square’. This country has been slipping in this direction for decades, and yet you have done nothing. Too many churches have discouraged Christians from political involvement. When a movement like “Pulpit Freedom Sunday” has to be organized in the first place, that says it all. When churches and their pastors refuse to vote for Romney because he is a Mormon, that says it all.

tocof
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tocof

I was pretty fired up when I wrote this after reading most of the comments here. I have been a conservative activist for a while, and the level of apathy I encounter is daunting sometimes. I am sure there are people on this comment thread who ARE involved…clearly I am not referring to you. But seriously, if enough people had been pushing back on this kind of stuff, we wouldn’t be here in the first place.

12grace
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12grace

It is sad for millions of us that did not vote for obama and don’t vote for other leftist candidates either…and we are made to suffer because of the stupidity of some voters and voter fraud.

The question now is what can we do about this?

tocof
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tocof

12Grace: There is no easy answer, but there IS much that concerned citizens CAN do. Here are some ideas… 1. Get involved in a voter integrity project and be a pole watcher. 2. Get involved with local activist groups that line up with your views and concerns about issues. 3. Support one or more local elected officials that line up with your views. Money is important, but volunteering is even more important. They need people to walk precincts or call. 4. Does your church support and advocate involvement? Do they talk stands on issues like one in this article? Abortion? Many churches shy away from anything political. I don’t agree. Some of the fastest growing churches ARE politically involved in their communities, And contrary to popular church opinion, it does not jeopardize their tax status. 5. Write/call elected officials to advocate for issues that are important to you…it DOES make… Read more »

12grace
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12grace

Thank you, t.

I am involved with several groups at present. But, honesty don’t see much change in a positive direction, yet.

stage9
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stage9

UPDATE ON CASE
ACLJ Calls Decision to Remove San Diego War Memorial Cross “Deeply Flawed” and Plans to File Amicus Brief in Expected Appeal
http://aclj.org/mt-soledad-cross/aclj-calls-decision-remove-san-diego-war-memorial-cross-deeply-flawed-plans-to-file-amicus-brief-expected-appeal

BHliberty
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BHliberty

Hope this delays it for awhile so they can, perhaps, find a new home for the cross!

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

In one sense, I am so angry I could spit nails, but in another sense I am praising God. The Cross is more than two wood planks it is a symbol of Jesus and His sacrifice for all humanity! It is also a symbol that We are all sinners in need of a Savior! The fact that this Cross offends so many is a good thing it means that the the Spirit of God is working on the hearts of men. There is a verse (John 12:32) in the Bible that says, “And when I am lifted up from the earth, I will draw everyone to myself.”! Jesus is not hanging on this Cross, just image what it must have been like to actually have been there and seen Jesus crucified on THE CROSS! And just like then as it is now, Evil will not win, God Will and Has!… Read more »

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

I’m reading down through the comments and everyone is saying what’s in my heart! I feel unified in Spirit here! Amen!

johnos69
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johnos69

If it violates their rights what about the rights of those that like it?

K-Bob
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K-Bob

That’s how they can tell if you’re racist or something.

12grace
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12grace

Liberals are no longer liberal, these days they insist that we all agree with them

Dave Wesley
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Dave Wesley

People do not realize that this country was founded on the strong belief of God, and that freedom of religion is so that no one discriminates against another religion…

They have taken God out of everything besides church which is a great downfall… Coolidge said it the best about the government replacing god, that “there is no way by which we can substitute the authority of law for the virtue of man.” And that is exactly what our government is trying to do.

dmacleo
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dmacleo

its not a cross. its a chaplains symbol.
they died in the war too.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Excellent point!

lawngren
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lawngren

That the judge is an idiot is quite true, but Jewish War Veterans of the United States of America? Did any of these Jews serve in WW2? You know, the war where US participation was a major factor in ending the Holocaust?
And they don’t think American Vet memorials have the right to display symbols of the religion America was founded on?

BHliberty
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BHliberty

So they take down this worthy monument (which I’ve visited and it’s beautiful) because it’s on Federal Land. So…why can’t someone take the cross and put it on private property? Further, if it’s not placed on private property, what will happen to it? Ugh, this just makes my blood boil! Hope this gets rebuked by groups down there! Ah…..California, it’s so lost!

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

It makes my blood boil also!

Dramamama60
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Dramamama60

Why is it that it is ok to force Christians and Conservatives to accept homosexuality, illegal immigration, BIG government, Obamacare, but we aren’t allowed to celebrate our beliefs? And his is a historical cross, put there years ago for WWII vets. We are truly being persecuted in America. Never thought it would ever happen!

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Agreed!

Sentinel
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Sentinel

Let’s see now… promote and allow homosexuality to run rampant: check; water down the nation by allowing enfettered entrance (invasion) of illegal aliens: check; control the schools and the minds of the population: check; control the media and push false propaganda check; control 1/6th (or more) of the economy and run up crushing debt check; wage a war on religion and destroy the people’s morals and values – steal their hope and strength through God: check. Who says liberals and socialists aren’t transparent? They are boldly moving about in the light of day and brazenly removing the supports of this country… chipping away at our foundation. Can you imagine what’s coming next? Pray for this nation! We are completely under massive attack… and right now, the enemy is winning.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Well said Sentinel!

spin43
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spin43

This will get no coverage from the state run media.

spin43
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spin43

I’m calling on all war veterans to go to La Jolla and protest. Contact your representatives. Don’t allow the devil judges to control our country!

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

That would be sweet!

Bruceb64
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Bruceb64

Let me get this right? Groups have been trying to get the cross taken down, they have gone to court Numerous times and “LOST”. So, they have finally found a Liberal Judge to say “Yes” Take it down! And, it is to be removed???

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

Judges=the greatest consequence of elections.

Sentinel
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Sentinel

Aren’t we all glad that Harry Reid (he’s a devil) pushed for and won the nuclear option in the senate, so that more of these liberal, activist Ahole judges can strategically be put in place to further destroy our country?

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Argh, what you say, which is truth, makes me so angry!

Sentinel
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Sentinel

Sorry man… I’m mad too. Apologies.

spin43
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spin43

Time to “Occupy” the cross!

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

I love the way you said that! Wouldn’t it be amazing if Vets and non vets and Christians everywhere decided to embrace that cross!? That would be so amazing! I think you have the call to arms in “Occupy the Cross!” This is a spiritual battle!

spin43
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spin43

Satan is hovering all around us. The Devil presides over the bench.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

You are on fire today spin43! Well said!

spin43
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spin43

The San Diego Christians should get there by the thousands and protest.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Amen! And LA is not that far away! I wonder what Dr. Jeremiah’s church is doing? They are located in that area.

ryanomaniac
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ryanomaniac

Where are the Christians?? You just can’t sit around and go to Bible study and sanctify the saints.

timsrighty
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timsrighty

Evil happens when good men and women do nothing. Where are the Christians? Where is the Vatican? Our new Pope has been named “man of the year” by the leftist rag known as Time magazine. Tells me to be very suspicious of him. He promotes some of the same socialist policy Obama and his army are inflicting on us. One would think this Pope and Benedict before him would be outraged by the attack on Christianity, not only in America but around the world. Not to mention the threat to Israel. Pope Francis support income redistribution just like Obama. Jesus supported helping thy neighbor through your own actions, not because the govt. forces us to. He said “render to Caesar what is Caesar”s.” The more govt. takes and wastes, the less we have to actually be charitable.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

1000% agreed!

HCTUB
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HCTUB

When will the country WAKE UP ? Government has gotten to big .
Right is wrong and wrong is right . I can see where we are going , and it don’t look good .

Suzie Rigoll
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Suzie Rigoll

I totally agree HCTUB! If they can tell us this cross has to go, how soon before they are in your or my community telling us that the crosses in our cemeteries have to go because they are on public land?

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Agreed! The fight is becoming spiritual!

DHardy
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DHardy

We should get together and get donations to replant this Cross on private land..Relocate it and have a plaque that describes what Christians had to do to save this war memorial so that we never forget how bad this country has gotten…Plus we should find a way to put the Holy Cross everywhere we can to stuff our thumb in their eye. I’m getting sick of being kicked around it’s time to fight back.

Poptoy1949
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Poptoy1949

Jews did this? Now the Jews are going to start yanking on Christians? What next?

SheerPolitics
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SheerPolitics

I don’t believe these are Jews–at least, in the religious sense. Those religiously Jewish are most respectful of others’ beliefs. But there are some ethnic Jews who are agnostic/atheist. I can’t see someone who is religiously Jewish being offended by this. Especially that a cross has been there since 1913 (present one since 1954) and that before it was even a war memorial.

Religious Jews know that if someone is going after Christians, they will another day come after the Jews.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Agreed! I do believe that Jewish people are starting to receive the things of Christianity to a point. The times are ripe for the End Days!

“”Then I will pour out a spirit of grace and prayer on the family of David and on the people of Jerusalem. They will look on me whom they have pierced and mourn for him as for an only son. They will grieve bitterly for him as for a firstborn son who has died.” Zechariah 12:10

timsrighty
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timsrighty

no…there’s no attack on Christianity in America.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Time for patriots to surround it.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Agreed! K-Bob! If I lived near there I would try to organize something!

ApplePie101
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ApplePie101

When government demands total separation of church of state, the consequence will be that many of us will side with the church and separate from the state.

SurfinUSA
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SurfinUSA

This battle has been going on for decades. The Memorial has had a Cross since it was erected to honor the WWI dead soldiers. I lived in San Diego for 20 years and followed this battle closely. I used to go up to Mt. Soledad every couple of months to just… commune there and reflect on life. For years I offered prayers to restrain the hand of Satan at Mt. Soledad, to honor our Lord with His most visible sign of Hope and Victory. Rodger Hedgecock, radio mayor of San Diego, was going to lead Christians to Mt. Soledad to chain themselves to the Monument to prevent it from being torn down if need be. I asked myself, “If I don’t defend my Beliefs here, then where will I ever do it?” and “If not now, when?” I was ready to join Hedgecock at risk of loss of career and… Read more »

PNWShan
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PNWShan

Thank you for the history on this, and for your heart. I will pray.

Dr. Strangelove
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Dr. Strangelove

Thanks for the input. Didn’t this parcel of land become private property or am I thinking of something else?

SurfinUSA
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SurfinUSA

The property was deeded to the Department of Defense. I am in the dark on how that “safety net” was unwound. I will have to do some homework, it will gnaw at me until I find out. I’ll let you know.

Sarah Burnett
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Sarah Burnett

Wouldn’t that be the Fed’s Property and the WW2 VETS property and the Satanist Judge have NO authority over it ?

SurfinUSA
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SurfinUSA

That’s the question. I am in a “swamp of Friday alligators” right now or I would take time to do my homework on what happened. I’ll post on it later tonight to both you and Dr. Strangelove who asked earlier.

SurfinUSA
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SurfinUSA

I just heard Rep Duncan Hunter on San Diego radio. The memorial was transferred to the Federal government under the right of eminent domain. The ACLU and other plaintiffs re-filed suit against the Federal Government and the City of San Diego (later dismissed as a party to the suit.)

A Federal judge affirmed that the Memorial could remain but the 9th Circuit Court overturned that ruling in 2011 and ordered the Cross removed. According to Hunter, Justice Samuel Alito said that the Supreme Court could not hear the case until it goes through the proper appeals process.

The ruling yesterday was the start of that process and it’s expected that the case will be ultimately decided by the Supreme Court in its next session.

So, the story isn’t over and there is still hope. Continue fervent in prayer that the Cross be spared.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Well said! I will pray!

ODA315
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ODA315

But our brave GOP leadership refuses to fight the “Nuclear Option” so be prepared to see more of this.

deTocqueville1
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deTocqueville1

Evil stalks throughout the land and we must not tolerate it. We must confront it and fight it tooth and nail.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

1000% agreed!

stage9
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stage9

I think it’s time to remind ourselves again of what commiecrats MUST do to impose their will on us. Communist Goals (1963) Congressional Record–Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States. CHECK! 16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights. CHECK! 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers’ associations. Put the party line in textbooks. CHECK! 20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments, editorial writing, policymaking positions. CHECK! 21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures. CHECK! 24. Eliminate all laws governing… Read more »

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

Thanks for the important reminder.
Do you happen to have a link? I’d like to save it to my favorites.

celestiallady
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celestiallady

If this cross is taken down it will be a sad day for the city of San Diego. I lived there many years ago and loved seeing that cross. I loved going up there to see the cross close up and the sight before me. Before I moved this battle had started. Its just so sad that some want to take away a symbol that is so dear to many people.

deTocqueville1
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deTocqueville1

God Bless you CL.

SurfinUSA
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SurfinUSA

I am with you lady… see a comment I posted after yours. I fear for the moral health and prosperity of San Diego if the Cross is allowed to be taken down.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Thank you clady!

mcgurn
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mcgurn

Everywhere Christians seem to keep getting “slapped in the face”. We are becoming the Rodney Dangerfield’s of the world’s religions. And no one steps in to stop it. How sad is that!

12grace
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12grace

Signs of End Times and it will get worse until HE comes back.

One sign of the end times is that there will be increased persecution of those who believe in God

Read more: http://www.prophecydude.org/news/end-time-sign-persecution-rising/

tinlizzieowner
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tinlizzieowner

“In 2011, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the cross violated the First Amendment.”
The 9th ‘Circus’ Court of Appeals, is all you need to know about this decision and Obama (through Harry Reid and the recent decision to change the Senate voting rules), is busy ‘stacking’ every appeals court in the nation to operate the same way.

12grace
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12grace

Timothy 3:2-4, “…lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud,blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers ofthose that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God.”

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/last_days.htm

deTocqueville1
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deTocqueville1

Yes and we must make the complacent aware and push them to challenge this perversion of America.

tinlizzieowner
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tinlizzieowner

When Barack Obama said “Fundamental Transformation”, that’s exactly what he meant.

LibertyLinda
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LibertyLinda

How about a flat out refusal? Screw what these liberal leftist judges say.

stage9
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stage9

Where in the Constitution does it talk about a cross on public land being an “endorsement of religion”?

“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

Where the HELL is this judge getting this mythical “endorsement of religion” nonsense?

No law was established regarding this cross, however the free exercise of religion has been prohibited by this idiot judge.

12grace
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12grace

Increased Hatred of Christians

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/End%20of%20the%20World/last_days.htm
John 16:2, “They
shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that
whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service.”

stage9
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stage9

undeniably.

badbadlibs
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badbadlibs

It’s the “free exercise thereof” that seems to get lost in all the stink the godless raise.
Only the godless seem to be the ones who can determine what rises to the occasion of free exercise. Too bad.

Jaels_Song
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Jaels_Song

I was raised in San Diego. I have pictures of my brothers and sister, mom and dad sitting at the foot of this cross. For atheist to attack what we San Diegan’s hold so dear wrenches my gut and frankly, hurts my heart. But, why am I surprised at anything that comes forth out of godless or religiously dead and lost people, after all, they crucified the Lord when he was among us healing the sick, teaching salvation, fulfilling the Scriptures and doing nothing but good. They can’t kill God… it’s already been tried. Hallelujah, come Lord Jesus come.

SheerPolitics
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SheerPolitics

It saddens me to hear, yet again, on how the “Jews crucified Jesus”. First of all, as you know, Christ knew he would be crucified for our sins. We would not have the promise of redemption without it. So to blame God’s people for something done by a few is like mocking God’s plan for our redemption. Like over time immortal, there were those in leadership positions that saw Jesus’ influence over the common man and strove to stop it. They foolishly thought they were putting to death a Rabbi who was questioning their teachings. However, as God always does His plan is perfect and His Son became better known after His death and resurrection. The Jews are and always will be God’s chosen people–because he said it would be so. This does not mean he loves them more or that they’re special. He chose them for service. They are… Read more »

12grace
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12grace

I agree with you, 100%.

Our eternity comes from the Jewish Jesus. Christians and Jews are of the same family. And perhaps this is why Islam hates us both.

Jaels_Song
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Jaels_Song

That was not what I was saying. You must have read that into my response, I believe the Abrahamic Covenant is eternal and unconditional. My Messiah is a Jew and I my hope is for the great day He is reconciled to Israel and rules and reigns out of Jerusalem on the Throne of David. It was my sins and all the sins of the world that crucified Him and it was also the dead religiosity of the day (just as we see so much dead religiosity in the Church) that did not recognize him, or even worse, plotted to do away with the Kings Son. Well, the world tried, and it can’t be done, and any person trying to rid themselves of every last vestige of Jesus Christ is futile.

12grace
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12grace

Atheist seem to think it’s acceptable to force their non-religion on those of us that are believers.

Rogerius Maximus
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Rogerius Maximus

If you read the ruling, the issue is a little more complex. In the beginning of his written decision, Judge Burns, who was a Bush II appointee, indicates he does not agree the cross is unconstitutional. However, the Ninth Circuit, which is above Judge Burns, did find it unconstitutional. Thus, from a procedural standpoint, the only way this question can be finally resolved by the Supreme Court is if a judgment in favor of the plaintiffs, who are represented by the ACLU, is entered. Judge Burns makes explicit note of this, and it is why he “found” the Mt. Soledad Cross unconstitutional.

12grace
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12grace

It is just one more sign of America turning away from G-d. The veil of protection was taken away from America on 9/11. Highly recommenced reading on this subject is the book entitled The Harbinger.

Bruceb64
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Bruceb64

Why are you afraid to say God? It is Spelled G. O. D. GOD Bless YOU ALL!

SheerPolitics
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SheerPolitics

Bruce, s/he’s NOT afraid of saying God. S/he’s being most reverent. I don’t know 12grace’s religious affiliation, but in the Jewish community they write G-d because one does not say God’s true name, nor do they spell out the word G-o-d out of respect.

12grace
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12grace

Interesting, the issue is religious freedom and YOU are bothered by my freedom of religion expression.

deTocqueville1
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deTocqueville1

Indeed and it must be decided there.

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