Must Watch: Iranian Muslim in prison meets Jesus face to face

This is perhaps the most amazing testimony I’ve ever heard. It’s from Afshin Javid who was born a devout Shiite Muslim in Southern Iran in 1972, before the Iranian revolution. He grew up and later joined the Basij (Hezbollah), having committing his life to die for Islam. At some point later he recounts that his grandfather had told him he should bring Islam to North America, so he made his way here. Of course, all he had was phony immigration documents and passports, so he was arrested in Malaysia. I’m guessing this was the early 90s but I’m not sure. But this is where his life changed.

I’m telling you this is a testimony like you’ve never heard before. It’s very powerful and you may need a box of tissue nearby.



Watch:

(h/t: Free Republic)

UPDATE: It seems that there is a fair amount of scandal, potentially sexual, that surrounds Javid’s years in Canada. I’m not sure how much of it is true or not, but I don’t believe that it invalidates his testimony and still believe it is a powerful tool. However I feel that I should at least make you aware of this so you can make your own decision about the man.

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ProudRightConservative
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@ConservativeCool This guy is accused of sleeping around with 30+ women that he got close to after telling them how he met Christ, many that he was the pastor of….  He is also blamed for a bunch of other things, as taking presents and money for his own use instead of his ” ministry”.  He was kicked out of his church after confessing some of it and goes solo now. His website asks for donations … ” Financially supporting us helps fulfill the call of God on our lives.  ”  he says…He seems to be a jerk. Maybe he repented, but the list of misdeeds is long.  Maybe all others  are mistaken, but  chances are slim. .  BE AWARE!!!!

ProudRightConservative
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This guy is accused of sleeping around with 30+ women that he got close to after telling them how he met Christ, many that he was the pastor of….  He is also blamed for a bunch of other things, as taking presents and money for his own use instead of his ” ministry”.  He was kicked out of his church after confessing some of it and goes solo now. His website asks for donations … ” Financially supporting us helps fulfill the call of God on our lives.  ”  he says…He seems to be a jerk. Maybe he repented, but the list of misdeeds is long.  Maybe all others  are mistaken, but  chances are slim. .  BE AWARE!!!!

Tommy
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Scoop – I know this man personally, and I know him well. He is under police investigation and the content of this testimony is a matter of controversy even within his own family. While I too found the video very moving when I first saw it some years ago, now knowing him and what he is capable of while appearing on many TV shows, I don’t lend it much credibility *at all*. Those who have known him since he emigrated to Canada have seen the testimony morph and become more sensational over time. There are lots of honest converts to Christ out there. I am not sure why you want to promote this situation. It is the sensationalism that got him the gigs, it was the gigs that caused him to confabulate and this led to an ever-expanding story and ever-increasing debauchery in private. I will be honest as someone… Read more »

Lee
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Lee

It is part of the Islamic m.o. to deceive infidels and gain their trust. I woudn’t believe a Moslem if he told me that Christmas was Dec 25.

chatterbox365
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chatterbox365

I hope this guy is truly sincere and I wish him well with his walk with Christ. However, I am always skeptical.

12grace
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12grace

Powerful. Jesus loves ALL people.

ConservativeCool
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ConservativeCool

Thanks for this, I really felt it helped my testimony of Jesus Christ.

z b
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z b

Why would anybody believe a randome guy, that nobody knows ?

white531
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white531

No one has asked you to believe it, z b. It is just there for your consideration. By the way, welcome to Scoop. Hope you stick around.

jrt1031
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jrt1031

This post ( or thread) by the right side has probably been my all time favorite. Good job!!! keep up the God work….

1endtimes2020
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1endtimes2020

Russia will not renew the nuclear agreement with the U.S. Can anyone doubt Russia has consultants in Iran, working overtime on its nuclear bomb capabilities? We need more Muslims to see the Light. One day they will, when the battle of Armaggedon will threaten to annihilate humanity, and Jesus Christ returns to save his creations. The world will not repent from its sins, but, as individuals, we can. It seems ironic that the nations that want to destroy western nations and Israel, are fervently believing and using the Koran for inspiration. It is the wrong belief. While they believe, western nations have been turning away from the true religion, just as prohesy predicted. They will not refer to the truth of prohesy in Revelations from the Bible. Not only that, but turning towards socialism and risking the next step to communism. That man converted to believing in Jesus Christ. Good,… Read more »

white531
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white531

I hope so too, endtimes.

1endtimes2020
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1endtimes2020

Hi White…Love the comments you make.—Sooo refreshing. Last summer, I watched a tiny transparent insect on my sister’s outside wall of her house. It was only a quarter of an inch long, and half as wide—just enough for me to see the white color of the wall. What an example of God’s creational powers.

white531
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white531

And God was watching you watching it. And there is the wonder.

NCHokie02
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I don’t believe that it’s ironic that nations against the West and Israel are Muslim. Look at the thread RS has on Walid Shoebat on Islam being of the beast. It’s very interesting. Walid makes a lot of good points and only uses the bible and his knowledge of Islam (being a former Muslim himself) to prove it.

Dodoforever Canspell
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The important thing to remember here and in EACH and EVERY case where we see “enlightenment” from ex-Muslims is that they were taught to taqqiyah. It’s as natural to them as a call of nature.
RightScoop is a softy.

jrt1031
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jrt1031

we are all a softy when Hiltlors are running the show and is getting away with murder. God is the only one that truly is in control though ……..in death and life

white531
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white531

No, not really. TRS gives you a platform. What you do with that platform, reflects on you, not on TRS.

jrt1031
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jrt1031

When will Jesus visit Obama and change his muslim ways

badbadlibs
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As much as I would like to place 100% of the blame on the guy in the WH, he had help. His “helpers” are otherwise known as the American voter. Those who voted for him chose to believe the lies the media spoon fed the populace. Not that in the future the left will just occupy the WH regardless of voters, but at least last month it wasn’t totally possible.
Further, Jesus would reveal Himself (not necessarily physically) to those who actually ask.
And bottom line, which is the corker to those who belong to God, He has said IF those who are called by His Name would change THEIR wicked ways, He would heal their land…(paraphrasing 2 Chronicles 7:14).

jrt1031
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jrt1031

does this statement work better for you since you cant place 100% on the o man

bobemakk
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bobemakk

I feel there is a lot of controversy over this subject.

jrt1031
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jrt1031

Why should there be

Landscaper
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Good Sunday morning one and all. Yesterday as this thread was building at great speeds, someone posted a link about Javid as to accusations…… I clicked on it and it left me even more puzzeled as it was a dead end. If anyone has anything to add, please do so. I thought his testimony was very compelling and I want to share with our four children. Before I did this, I didn’t want them to come back to me later to say “dad, this man is a liar and fraud” by researching on their own. Or does that even matter? Maybe its own long work hours and stress but I’m torn as to share this video via email or not. I saw the debate that was going on and I came back later to re view the video. That too was very good compelling {reading} to say the least. My,… Read more »

Orangeone
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Orangeone

Good mornin’ back to ya!

911Infidel
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Why should anyone doubt or be surprised that a Muslim would meet Jesus Christ in a jail cell or in some small village in Trashcanistan. It is happening all of the time. What you think that God has some sort of limited powers or something? N’est-ce pas? Uh more like au contraire. Get with the program people. In Iran, the majority is tired of Islam. Christianity is the fastest growing religion. Yeah so is atheism in that country. Christianity is making huge inroads throughout the Muslim world. I have read many accounts of Jesus Christ actually appearing to Muslims in person or in dreams. Signs and Wonders? You betcha. Some don’t trust converted Muslims. Well, the rubber meets the road on the question of Israel. Those that use terms like “resistence” to justify the murders of Jews or “occupation” to describe the existence of the state of Israel are to… Read more »

Orangeone
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Orangeone

May I borrow your”Trashcanistan” from time to time? I love it!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Its capital city is Yomamasbad

(EDIT: fixed)

Orangeone
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Orangeone

You are on a roll today K-Bob, both are cracking me up!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

That name came from a buddy of mine. I forget how long ago, but it was before 2001. Even funnier now.

Orangeone
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Orangeone

Expanding my vocabulary today and I love it!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Heh. Some of us specialize in bargain-barrel vocabulary.

Words by the pound!

Orangeone
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Orangeone

I’ll trade you another pound of vocabulary for an inch or two of snow, lots to give away today!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

We got rain. Three days of it. Makes everything mushy.

911Infidel
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911Infidel

ROFLMFAO.

911Infidel
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911Infidel

Its not mine to give. I stole it from someone in here awhile back. But I’m sure he won’t mind. :p)

Orangeone
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Orangeone

Notice I said “borrow” so you need only “lend” which makes the offense much lesser and easier to plea bargain :):):) We are all family and share our toys well with one another.

911Infidel
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911Infidel

That’d be like my brother asking me to borrow my neighbor’s tools. Oh sure I’ll just go across the street and get them for you. Don’t think so.

Philo Beddoe
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Well this is just great–if it’s true. There’s alot of religion in prison.

Why in the back of my mind I remember that:

Bukhari (84:64-65) – Speaking from a position of power at the time, Ali confirms that lying is permissible in order to deceive an “enemy.”

David Westergaard
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David Westergaard

As a Christian, I am always excited to hear about people coming to true, saving faith in Jesus Christ. However, I was extremely disappointed to hear him reject Jesus Christ as Lord. He said God had only manifested himself in Jesus Christ. However, that is not enough. God did not simply manifest himself in a human named Jesus. Jesus Christ IS God. Here are a few verses, which is the authority all Christians speak on, that state that Jesus is God. There are also many, many more. “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” John 10:33 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with… Read more »

Conniption Fitz
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Conniption Fitz

“There is NO OTHER NAME under heaven by which we may be saved.”
“Who has the Son has life; who does not have the Son does not have life.”

Scripture is very plain on this point.

Molly Zin
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Molly Zin

It sounds to me then like he is saved, because he is unquestionably claiming the Son as the almighty God and his savior.

porightscoopfan
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Hmmmm… sounds like a heavy dose of “Covenant Theology” with a dash or two of “Lordship Salvation” Glad your in the word friend, even gladder you’re in Christ! There is no dispute that Jesus Christ is Lord. Nevertheless, with regard to muslims, I would be pleased to hear you accentuate the state of the believer IN CHRIST, as a co-heir with Christ Again, there is no dispute regarding the headship of Christ over the body. But it is not without cause that the scripture says, “that he might be the first born among many brothers.” Rom 8:29 and The Spirit Himself testifies with our spirit that we are children of God, 17 and if children, heirs also, heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, if indeed we suffer with Him so that we may also be glorified with Him. Rom 8:16-17 Muslims don’t have any of that “God becoming… Read more »

Molly Zin
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Molly Zin

I don’t understand your objection and I wonder if you might have misheard or misunderstood what Javid said? Where in his testimony did he reject Jesus Christ as Lord? Or say that Jesus Christ is not God? Or that Jesus Christ is simply a human in whom God manifested himself? In fact, Javid said that Jesus IS God over and over as these quotes show: “You [Jesus] are the mighty God that is spoken of and you provide so quickly.” “This is the story of Almighty God that is able and that is searching for all seeking hearts with all his strength and power.” “They [Muslims] ask, “is Jesus Christ God? Can a human being become God?” Of course, NEVER!…but can a God, this great God become man? Can he show himself in the body of a man? Yes, he can.” “And so as Christians, we do not say “Jesus… Read more »

jrt1031
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jrt1031

and your interpretation makes sense. And thats how God would want it to be. To make sense.

jrt1031
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jrt1031

your judgement on others is why people turn to becoming athiest. Get over your factual self. Your interpretation of the testimony above is yours and not his. His will help others. Yours will not.

David Westergaard
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David Westergaard

As a Christian, I am always excited to hear about people coming to true, saving faith in Jesus Christ. However, I was extremely disappointed to hear him reject Jesus Christ as Lord. He said God had only manifested himself in Jesus Christ. However, that is not enough. God did not simply manifest himself in a human named Jesus. Jesus Christ IS God. Here are a few verses, which is the authority all Christians speak on, that state that Jesus is God. There are also many, many more. “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.” John 10:33 Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” Jesus said to him, “Have I been so long with… Read more »

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Well said. There is only One God and if anyone does not understand that Jesus is God come in the Flesh, to take the sins of the world on Himself, to be The Way, The Truth, The Life, then they have missed the mark indeed.
God said He would give His Glory to no other and besides Him there was no other God.
There is only One on the Throne. Amen and Amen.

Molly Zin
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Molly Zin

And that Jesus is God come in the flesh to take the sins of the world and be the Way, the Truth, and the Life is exactly what Javid said in his testimony, is it not?

porightscoopfan
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So is he elect or not David? Or does he have to wait with you utill judgement day to find out if he made Jesus Christ LORD enough? You do recall that the Corinthian dude who was sleeping with his Dad’s wife with full knowledge of the Corinthian believers was in jeopardy that Paul commanded “To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.” The dude was a believer………dude was behaving like the Corinthians (well actually worse)………Pauls says if he won’t listen and change is practice, turn him over to satan…….dude’s spirit will still be saved in the day of the LORD JESUS. Muslims are like the Corinthians in that when they turn to faith in Jesus Christ, there’s a lot of [email protected]# to unpack about what life in Christ entails. Lots of… Read more »

David Westergaard
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David Westergaard

When did I bring up anything about election, limited atonement, or any other reformed theological belief? I largely quoted scripture affirming that Jesus Christ is Lord. Believing that Jesus Christ is Lord is an essential tenet of the Christian faith. If you do not believe Jesus Christ is Lord, then you are not a Christian.

Are Christians not to use any discernment? Is it loving to let a person continue down a wrong path? Should we also affirm the teachings of false teachers that deceive many people? Did Paul not confront Peter in Galations? Was Paul being too judgmental?

tshtsh
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Yes, why would He? Jesus obviously did not, Javid had been praying to and was one with Satan from the beginning. Javid fulfilled his grandfather mission of bringing the antichrist faith to Christians.

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The servants / agents of evil are all about subversion, sedition, revolution, terrorism, deceit, etc.. Anything necessary to achieve their end goals are applied, whether covert, and or overt actions.

So one would have to truly scrutinize anything these people say and do, regardless of, irrespective of, and or in-spite of the circumstances involved.

white531
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white531

This person’s testimony is a strong statement that he believes something that happened to him was real. At least, it was real to him. So real, that it gave him belief he did not previously have. It made him believe in God, and the Son of God. I’m glad that happened to him. I hope some good comes from it. I wish everyone was blessed to experience such a thing in their lifetime. I doubt many of us will. That is why Faith is so important. Faith is believing in the existence of something, even though others say you have no proof. This, when proof lies all around you. Have you ever walked along the seashore and picked up a seashell? Ever wonder how the spiral is so mathematically perfect? How the division of space between the knobs on the outer shell match the perfection of the spiral? One or… Read more »

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Whitefriend, have you ever seen a sand dollar? Have you ever noticed the markings on them? Ever broke one open?

Ever notice the markings on them- there are 4 round holes, and one longer hole. Nails and a Roman spear.

There is a five “petaled” flower like marking, looks like an Easter lily.

On the underside, looks like a poinsietta. Christmas flower.

The part that amazed me the most- is when you break them open, there are 5 little shells shaped like doves- for peace.

I, living where I do, find sand dollars a lot. All different sizes, but they all have the exact same markings, all have 5 ‘doves’ when you break them.

They are the coolest things! grin

These things are AMAZING.

white531
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white531

No more amazing than our transplant from Canada. smile

American Duckie
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American Duckie

aw! quit it! *blush* you’re so sweet!!

jrt1031
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jrt1031

all of us have experienced what he has. Just not in the same dose. Even those that choose not to believe in Christianity have experienced Christ. They just cant see it yet until it is their time. Maybe not until they leave this earth.

JudyPaulette
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About 4 years ago he gave a sermon at one of Andy Stanley’s churches.
There is also a jewish convert to Christianity.
It is called The Star, The Cross and the Crescent.
Andy Stanley’s is parts one and two. The Jewish woman’s
is part 3 and this man’s is part 4.

http://www2.northpointministries.org/player/player.jsp?occurrenceID=1406

LIBERTYUSA
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LIBERTYUSA

…(KJV) John 14:6, Jesus saith unto him , Iam the way , the truth and the life : no man cometh unto the father but by me .

Amen

and G-D Bless you RS for all that you do .

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

Heaven is rejoicing.God is good.

Betty Porter
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Betty Porter

I just loved that testimony, stay strong and near Jesus and he will stay with you.

Brian Burlingame
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Brian Burlingame

I just watched a second time. His eyes creep me out… the eyes of religious fervor usually hide deep secrets. No thanks

Molly Zin
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Molly Zin

Eyes of religious fervor? So if someone were to try to describe to you the profound effect the birth of their first child had on them, or having been rescued from certain death, or discovering that someone who they have fallen in love with and longed for returns that love, or learning that their daughter who had been in an accident was going to survive, or any other experience for which they felt such an immeasurable depth of relief and joy and gratitude and love that just trying to put it into words was difficult—when their passion and emotion shows on their face and in their eyes as they tell you their story, does that creep you out too? Or is it just when God is involved that you are creeped out and suspect some kind of deep hidden secrets (whatever that means)?

jrt1031
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jrt1031

I didnt see fervor. It looked more like amazement. Why did you watch it two time. I only had to watch it once and it stayed with me.

deeme
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deeme

Thank You Jesus, one person at a time…

But blessed are your eyes because they see, and your ears because they hear. Matthew 13:16

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

A very powerful testimony.But then again,aren’t all testimonies powerful?

nuffsaid
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You do not need to be born a mystic so if you’ve ever had even one of the experiences this man describes, even a minor imitation of the least of what he has described, you will understand the truth of what he says.

If you have not, clear you mind for one moment and repeat his words:

“God of Heaven, Creator of everything, I want this.”

Then brace yourself.

Brian Burlingame
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Brian Burlingame

I realize the intent of the video… However, I also realize that certain people in positions of perceived spiritual power also have track records of deceit and abuse. Ted Haggard etc… just my two cents. NOT attempting to troll a flame war

colliemum
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I understand, and there are indeed many people who have abused their spiritual gifts.

It is then a question of what he did with this gift after he came to be rescued by Jesus.

Becoming a Christian, being a Christian, doesn’t stop with having heard His voice: that is only the beginning. The next steps, the long way, are as important, if not more important, as the first experience.

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I am in No way defending this man but there are things to be considered. Colliemum is right, getting saved is just the beginning. Once we accept Jesus, we have a lot of habits to un-do, behaviors to change, actions to drop. Our souls get saved but we don’t automatically become familiar with God’s ways or with the Scripture. When we seek the Lord and read the Bible, He starts peeling off layers at a time. Most of us have other Christians around us to guide us in the right direction and we usually join a church to get good instruction from the Word of God. If done in order, we do all of this before we answer such a big call on our lives. Having been in ministry for a few years, I’ve seen this alot – someone like this man gets saved and feels he is called to… Read more »

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Amen and well said StandingGround.

jbinnout
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You reminded me of the life of Saul converted to Paul. He did not go out right away and start preaching. He was gone for 3 years in prayer and study and then another 11 years, before coming back with plan to preach the good news to the gentiles. 14 years in total. Ga. chapter 1 and first part of 2. Even the Son of God spent 40 days in the wilderness, after baptism by John, before His earthly ministry began.

StandingGround
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Good points, jbinnout. Examples from the Bible help validate my points. Thanks!

jrt1031
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jrt1031

people need to stop following the rules of churches and religions and start following the intentions that God gives them. True belief comes as an individual not groups or mobs of people.

BigM
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It is what you do between Sundays that determines your true level of faith in Christ. As Christians we need to produce fruit or in other words, do the work of a Christian. The more fruit we produce, the more evident our faith is solid.

Read John 15:1-17

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2015:%201-17&version=NIV

It easy to say you are a Christian and or act as one, it’s another thing to live as one. “They will know you by your fruit”!

Cliff
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All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Salvation is for fallen men, not perfect ones.

TruLevinian
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TruLevinian

Awesome RS! Thanks buddy. ;o)

Kordane
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He sounds like he suffers from schizophrenia, where he sees things or people that aren’t actually there. It has been suggested before that Muhammad was one such sufferer of schizophrenia. Muslims exalt schizophrenia sufferers as being those who can see “djinn” and other spiritual beings.

If you believe that there is something mystical/supernatural about this man and his experiences, then you’re just a fool who wants unreality to be reality, and there is nothing that can be done for you because you’re probably a lost cause.

Rshill7
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You’ve got reality and unreality confused with one another. Consider that. You might be surprised that the real fool is the one staring back at you from the reflecting glass.

One who fancies himself enlightened, while bathed in darkness.

Kordane
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Kordane

Oh yeah? Explain how that’s the case.

Rshill7
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Rshill7

The only air I do not have faith in is that air which I can see.

You go ahead and breathe the visible. I’ll take the invisible.

While I’m at it, I’ll also assume the chicken came before the egg, that there is no intelligence whatsoever in random chance, nor is there any improvement in mutation.

Although there is something to be said for Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. Cowabunga.

Kordane
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Kordane

The sense of vision is not the only perceptual sense that human beings possess. You’re forgetting all the other ones. Furthermore, you’re forgetting that technology can help improve our perceptual abilities so that we can perceive things that we would otherwise have not been able to (eg. bacteria through a microscope).

All of this is very much unlike any supernatural/mystic examples though, because they have something called experimental verifiability.

Rshill7
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Rshill7

Experimentally verify the non-existence of God, the theory of evolution, and abiogenesis please. And be snappy with it, you’re burnin’ daylight smile

Kordane
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Kordane

I can’t prove a negative, and you’re being facetious to expect me to. The onus is always on those who say that something exists, to prove that it exists.

Rshill7
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Well, you have a convenient set of rules I don’t subscribe to. The theory of evolution and abiogenesis are not negatives. They are positives.

But tell me, are there “always” absolutes, are there no absolutes, or does the occasional absolute occasionally hop up and say boo?

Kordane
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Kordane

I chose just to address the “prove the non-existence of God” negative, because that is what we’re talking about.

As for your absolutes question. Yes, absolutes do exist. Reality is an absolute, not to be faked by anyone.

Rshill7
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Reality is indeed an absolute I think, but it’s like a bag of things you can measure, along with a host of other things you cannot. Those are debatable. The truth regarding reality. You do not know for sure what the truth is.

A God I could fully understand and explain wouldn’t be worthy of the name.

You think everything came from nothing yet can’t point to a single example of that. I can point to eleventy hundred cases of something coming from something else. No, the burden of proof is not on the believer, as belief makes the most sense. The burden is on the unbeliever.

Kordane
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Kordane

“You think everything came from nothing”

I suggest you read my reply to AmericanborninCanada (just above these posts). You’ll see that I do not in fact think what you claim I think. Your strawman is invalid.

American Duckie
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Kordane
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Actually, I solved that question long ago with two simple words:

“Time began”

You see, if the universe came into existence at the exact same moment that “time began”, then you resolve the question of “what came before?” and/or “where did it all come from?”. You don’t even need a creator because there’s no time for any creation event to occur or time for any creator to exist.

Since I’ve had this discussion before, I know what the next question will be, which is: “Why this particular outcome/universe?” – Well, that’s answered by having a multiverse where there are an infinite number of possible outcomes, so naturally you will have some that have the right starting conditions to end up being functional universes, and one that ends up the exact way that ours has ended up.

Got any more big questions?

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Nope. No more questions. I’m too busy being a mystical nutjob. I’ll take Christ over common sense any day.

Kordane
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Kordane

If that’s your decision, then I’ll say no more.

conservative58
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Right there with you ABC!
smile

God is ALL powerful!

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Amen! smile

colliemum
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colliemum

Right on, ABiC!

I’d rather be foolish in the eyes of man, than foolish in the eyes of Jesus Christ.

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Amen! Mornin’ sis!! grin

Rshill7
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Rshill7

OK I get it now. We’re into the fanciful while you’re into the super-duper-looper fanciful. You have too much faith in nothing to be what we are.

If life were a word puzzle you’d be doing ok. Were it Wheel Of Fortune you might win the trip to Mehicole. What you describe though is a naked, came from nothing, contortionist with ‘schizophrenia’, which is the word you used when you jumped in here describing the testimony guy.

‘Tis a tortured tale.

Kordane
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Kordane

Why do you say that it is a matter of “faith” for me? I don’t “believe” in any of it. I am simply hypothesizing. There is a heck of a difference between hypothesizing and believing.

Rshill7
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Rshill7

If ever you graduate from hypothesis to theory, come on back and we’ll compare your theory to the historic fact of Jesus and the empty tomb.

“He is not here. He is risen just as he said.” Few historic events are as well documented as that one, and many historic events are counted as fact with far less documented verification.

But, you come in here wielding nothing but a hypothetical construction? Who are you supposed to slay with that? God? Christ? With a moist spaghetti noodle? You’ll need much stiffer stuff than that. A sword that can be sheathed in the watch-pocket of a pair of Levis? Please.

Your hypothesis is not only mysticism, it’s crapticism, in dire need of a chunky, meaty, tomato sauce. Nevertheless, here is a “multiverse” for you:

Roses are red
Violets are swell
Truth is still truth
In hypothesis Hell

Kordane
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Kordane

If I recall, there is only very sketchy evidence for the existence of someone named Jesus from back then; records kept by the Romans. As for “the empty tomb” thing, nobody knows whether that’s even true or not. The bible wasn’t even written for something like a hundred years after the events happened; nobody was even alive who experienced any of the events, yet people irrationally believe that it’s all true, no word of a lie, no Chinese whispers to see here! -_- Quote: “But, you come in here wielding nothing but a hypothetical construction? Who are you supposed to slay with that? God? Christ? With a moist spaghetti noodle? You’ll need much stiffer stuff than that” Yet there you are, accepting the entire biblical fairy tale as fact, even though it’s far less likely and far less rational than what I put forward as an alternative. Quite frankly the… Read more »

Rshill7
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Rshill7

You recall incorrectly. Eliminate the impossible and what’s left, regardless of how improbable, must be the truth. Right? Problem is, you have no idea what is possible and what is impossible. You start by eliminating the truth. What’s left is a multiple choice question containing only the wrong answers. If you look everywhere for truth other than where it lives, you’ll never find it. The only fanatic drone here is you. In this conversation, you are the lefty without recognizing it. If Ayn Rand, your Goddess, could speak now, she’d be able to say that she was right about many things, but wrong about the most important thing. She rejected every aspect of communism except it’s atheism. She should have started there. Atheism is not a symptom of communism, communism is a symptom of atheism and/or satanism. I am being objective. You are being subjective. The measure of your reason… Read more »

Robb714
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Robb714

The Bible wasn’t written but translated from the ancient scolls, many of which predated Jesus and spoke of his coming. I find it very difficult to believe that had He not existed, it would be highly unlikely that He would be the most known of person in the world today. Just a thought.

Ryan Mobley
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Ryan Mobley

Ah yes, the Multiverse theory. The current chosen playground for atheists, materialists, and naturalists. For anyone not familiar, the Multiverse theory has postulated the simultaneous existence of many (possibly infinite) parallel universes where anything that is theoretically possible will be realized. I’ve seen this argument used over and over from individuals desperate to dodge the cosmological fine tunings for the existence of God. But alas, the Multiverse theory has suffered some debilitating blows. There has always been the problem of infinite regress. This issue is not limited solely to this universe, but applies to any hypothetical “infinite” universe the Multiverse follower clings to. There is always a first cause, an un-caused cause for everything, even the Multiverse. Now our friend likes to elevate himself over us silly Christians with his adherence to logic and reason, yet scientifically speaking no evidence has been provided for a Multiverse universe. But still, our… Read more »

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Excellently said. Especially for me, not knowing much about all this multi universe stuff, all I could think of was what you wrote in your last sentence. wink Seems to me this theory would take a whole lot more faith than those of us who believe in Christ.

Kordane
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Kordane

It would only require faith if you wanted to “believe” in it. I certainly don’t “believe” in it, but I do think it’s the most rational explanation I’ve heard so far. Combined with the “time began” hypothesis, multiverse theory is very compelling indeed. I’d be the last person to go around saying “This is the truth, this is fact, this is the way it all is”. I merely hypothesize about what may be; I do not claim truth about that which I know not the truth.

Kordane
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Kordane

Quote: “There is always a first cause, an un-caused cause for everything, even the Multiverse” No, a cause requires TIME to exist and to occur. If the entire multiverse comes into existence simultaneously with the beginning of time itself, then there can be nothing before it, not even a cause or a creator before it. All possible universes “begin” without cause, because all possible universes begin when time begins. Your criticism is with those who advocate multiverse theory, but whom also advocate some form of cause or previous existence and time beforehand. Quote: “Kordane and other philosophical naturalists have hailed the Multiverse theory as something of a “god” with absolutely no proof of its existence. Quite the strange stance to take for someone who constantly criticizes individuals for having faith in something that (supposedly) has no proof for its existence” A strawman. I’ve never said that multiverse theory is a… Read more »

Ryan Mobley
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Ryan Mobley

“The truth is that I do not know.” With all do respect, this is the most reasonable thing you have said tonight. “All possible universes “begin” without cause, because all possible universes begin when time begins.” Another regressive argument. So, all universes “begin” when time begins? Well then, when and what caused time to begin? Once again, with all due respect, if you cannot see this takes an IMMENSE amount of faith to believe, than I don’t know what to say. You are entitled to believe what you will, but at least have the intellectual honesty to admit it takes great faith. The universe is finite. We know it had a beginning. There cannot be an infinite number of regressions of causes to bring it into existence, there must be a single uncaused cause of the universe. You can go back to your argument that a cause requires time to… Read more »

Kordane
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Kordane

Long reply; not helped by the squeezed space. Quote: “Another regressive argument. So, all universes “begin” when time begins? Well then, when and what caused time to begin?” A cause would require time to a) exist and b) to occur. Neither are possible, since there is no before the beginning; there is only the beginning. “The beginning of time” is something that eliminates all questions of ’cause’. This is pretty simple temporal physics, because the traditional cause and effect relationship is ONLY applicable AFTER time has begun; it is not applicable at the beginning; there is only an “effect” based on the initial starting conditions of this universe. Quote: “with all due respect, if you cannot see this takes an IMMENSE amount of faith to believe, than I don’t know what to say” I don’t expect people to believe in it. More to the point, I don’t even care if… Read more »

Ryan Mobley
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Ryan Mobley

“I appreciate your candor. The only side I’m on here is the side of objectivity. I think that if you were truly open to compelling arguments then you would be open to siding with “the best candidate”, rather than only looking for the absolute truth. That is sadly only the best that we can do. Why is it that you are happy to apply an impossible standard on my hypothesis, but (I’m assuming you’re religious since everyone here seems to be) not apply that same standard on whatever religion you’ve accepted?” I will only address this today due to a lack of time. I am open to receiving evidence with objectivity, but I still have not seen any. I have done quite a large amount of reading by experts in the Multiverse theory and even they are dismayed by the results. I am still awaiting compelling evidence to support this… Read more »

nuffsaid
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nuffsaid

As obviously bright and intelligent as you are, for me it’s hard to understand how you have not come across that which can neither be understood completely nor can it be
denied.

A life without paradox must be very lonely and cold and easy to surrender.

Kordane
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Kordane

There are many things that meet that criteria, but the difference is that I don’t accept answers/knowledge to them that contradict reality and my sense of reason.

There are some completely fantastical things that people have accepted without question, even when they are in total contradiction to the facts of reality and their own sense of reason. Reality is screaming at them, every second of every day, but they are just ignoring reality because they want to believe something is true that isn’t true; that something exists in reality that doesn’t exist in reality.

When encountering things that meet the criteria you laid out, I’m quite happy to concede that “I don’t know” to them. That’s a heck of a lot different from creating fantasies to answer such things.

nuffsaid
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nuffsaid

The Greeks used to say, “Man is the measure of all things.”

Now they’re saying, “Where’s the beef?”

American Duckie
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American Duckie

(((())))s! Words!! That was excellent.

jrt1031
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jrt1031

maybe the Greeks should start praying and fasting as this man did. He didnt seem to care where the beef was as he was being nourished by God almighty

jrt1031
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jrt1031

There was nothing crazy about his testimony. YOu have been poorly affected by science and think you know better. You will see how much you know….. He has nothing to gain from the testimony. Sad to see those that question God

anneinarkansas
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anneinarkansas

Beautiful.
I am unable to grasp how any human can live with out the Holy Trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.
The times that I have literally been lifted up and carried over the depths are countless.
I find too that it is necessary every day to be refilled with the Holy Spirit.
I am inspired by words from Dr. Charles Stanley years ago. You have all of the Holy Spirit that you are going to get but does He have all of you? Refill daily.

colliemum
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colliemum

Beautifully said, Anne – especially the ‘refill daily’!

Brian Burlingame
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Brian Burlingame

A quick Google search of this man shows deep problems with sexual misconduct and scandals. Perhaps a little examination on the part of TRS would be beneficial before we put this man up on a pedestal.

Conniption Fitz
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Conniption Fitz

Here is a letter published by a person who had been associated with this man in ministry: http://www.benedictionblogson.com/2012/05/12/i-am-thirsty-ministries-co-founder-former-administrator-for-afshin-javid-speaks-out/

Perhaps he was not carefully vetted and discipled before being put into ministry and not carefully overseen.

Sadly, this is not unusual. People love sensational testimonies and some will exploit these stories to make money, publish books, draw crowds.

colliemum
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colliemum

I don’t think we’re putting him on a pedestal – this video is about his witness as to how Jesus came into his life. It is this witness which is important.
And anyway, aren’t we told not to throw the first stone?

Mtncougar
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Mtncougar

Hmmm… reading the link provided above, http://www.scribd.com/doc/93362417/Apology-to-Afshin … is quite eye opening.

I loved this man’s story in the video, I believe his encounter with Christ is real. However it appears that although Christ met him, the Muslim within him was never addressed and renounced. The sexual escapades, the poor treatment of women, etc. Very traditional, classic Muslim male stuff.

Recommend reading the link above starting at page 21.

Scoop, I would not give this man publicity by posting his video.

colliemum
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colliemum

I’ve read the links as well, and I agree with you: his story, his witness are important, but what happened later does not make him into a shining example, to the contrary. Yes, it does look as if his early muslim upbringing never left him, and influenced the rest of his life. I’d even go so far and say he is back in the grip of the muslim dark powers, which he abused then and seems to abuse now yet again. I think his story is a very good example to show that Jesus rescues, and takes people wherever they are, whomsoever they are. And it is a very good example for this most important fact: being a Christian is hard work, knowing Scripture alone, even having had the huge, amazing privilege of hearing Him, of feeling the touch of the Holy Spirit, is not enough. It is the beginning,… Read more »

Conniption Fitz
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Conniption Fitz

Exactly. This man is still a muslim in his treatment and attitude toward women – and – children. He is trespassing/sinning against his own children and those of others.

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.

colliemum
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colliemum

Thanks for the warning, to have a hankie handy: it was needed! This is an extraordinary story – because Afshin Javid shows that Jesus can and will come to anybody, everywhere, even when one doesn’t expect Him. What he told about the powerful presence in his cell, when he felt as if he was dying, and was ‘given the rope to hold’ which was the name of Jesus, and the power went away – that showed me clearly how islam is a satanic invention. The power was the power of darkness, and it came to his cell because he had given in to the seduction of power, and was using it daily. Jesus, who is the Light of this world, is the only one who can rescue people from this darkness. A great bishop once said that Jesus loves rescuing people, so ask Him and he will help. And that… Read more »

STEELGUY71
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STEELGUY71

He (God) came down to my level when I couldnt get up to His. with a strong arm lifted
me up and showed me what livin is

colliemum
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colliemum

Yes – that is what He does!

I don’t know where I’d be, if I didn’t know that His hand is there for me to cling to, like someone who knows they’d drown if they didn’t hold on tight.

American Duckie
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American Duckie

I wouldn’t be here if it weren’t for Jesus. I would have been dead a long time ago.

1mathteacher
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1mathteacher

I’ve been a Christian a long time, but still, I came to a crisis of faith recently where I had to look down two paths – one where I continued to believe & one where I didn’t. Without Jesus in my life, I realized there were a lot of things I could choose differently (more selfishly) and that if I followed that convenient & easy path to its end, it was a pretty dark & lonely place.

I already knew it, but I discovered again: We are here to glorify Him & enjoy Him forever. smile

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Well said Mathteacherfriend!! It’s good to see you!

1mathteacher
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1mathteacher

Good to see you too, ABC! Don’t know how I missed seeing your comment last week!

American Duckie
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American Duckie

lol disqus is late with alerts. Some times I get one from over 5 months ago lol! grin Have a Blessed day!!

deTocqueville1
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deTocqueville1

Thanks so much Scoop! Truly inspirational and awesome!! What a testimony.

StandingGround
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StandingGround

OMGoodness that testimony is Wonderful.

I’m sending it on to someone who asked me how people in the jungles or in heathen nations could learn about Jesus if no one was there to teach them. I told her He would appear to them Himself if they cried out to know Him. There are so many testimonies that have shown that to be so.

Thanks Scoop. What a blessing!

Jesus, what Christmas is all about.

sjmom
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sjmom

Beautiful testimony.

denbren52
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denbren52

I can’t thank you enough for sharing that testimony. I will also be sharing this link. Thank you Scoop!

brendawatkins
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brendawatkins

18 years ago he had this experience with Jesus, the true God, and still he remembers the love he felt, and still he gets teary eyed. That’s the power of a real conversion.. you NEVER forget that feeling, and every time you talk about it you feel it all over again, the love, the humility, and the power of true forgiveness. When you seek, from the depths of your heart, you will find Him. Thanks, RS, what a great story, and yes, it brought tears to my eyes. I was brought to that place of desperation, and I too met my Savior, and neither will I forget that day, and all the emotions that flooded over me. It’s like Heaven on earth.

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