Newt compares Virginia ballot fiasco to Pearl Harbor

I’d say this probably isn’t the best comparison. When I think of Pearl Harbor, I don’t think of a ‘set-back’, especially considering how many men lost their lives for their country.

Also, it’s Newt’s own fault that his campaign failed to get enough valid signatures. If Romney and Paul can do it, he should be able to do it too.

So I just don’t get the analogy.



If he wants to win, he’s got to do better than this. And I’m referring to his campaign getting on the stinking ballot in every state.

Here’s his Facebook letter:

By now you’ve likely heard that our effort to gain access to the primary ballot in Virginia was not successful. This was not due to a lack of effort by our volunteers, but the cumbersome process in Virginia.

We are exploring alternate methods to compete in Virginia – stay tuned.

Going forward, we will be as in-front of the process as possible and with the help of our grassroots volunteers we will make all other deadlines.

Newt and I have talked three or four times today and he stated that this is not catastrophic – we will continue to learn and grow. Remember that it was only a few months ago that pundits and the press declared us dead after the paid consultants left. They declared that the decision not to compete in the Ames Straw Poll would mean that Iowans would ignore us. Some will again state that this is fatal.

Newt and I agreed that the analogy is December 1941: We have experienced an unexpected set-back, but we will re-group and re-focus with increased determination, commitment and positive action. Throughout the next months there will be ups and downs; there will be successes and failures; there will be easy victories and difficult days – but in the end we will stand victorious.

To help achieve that outcome we each need to spend the next 24 hours enjoying our families and friends as much as possible. Enjoy their company. Be grateful for them. Gather strength from them. The promise of a better future for our family and friends is the reason we are committed to rebuilding the America we love.

May the spirit of the season fill each of you. Merry Christmas.

Michael Krull
National Campaign Director

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Newt is done. Just because he doesnt have the organization to gather “real” signatures for something that had been in place for sometime is reason enough that he is done. He even payed his staffers 1 dollar for every signature they get, apparently they had to toss out quite a bit of fake signatures. To compare his own problem to pearl harbor (where my grandfather died) makes me want to kick his ass.

Kris Smith
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You’re grandfather died at Pearl Harbor? Wow, you have more right than anyone to be mad.

Aaron Martin
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To claim that his VA ballot fiasco is likened to Pearl Harbor is another example of Newt’s over-the-top hyperbole. How exactly was this a surprise attack? The candidates all had the same amount of time to gather signatures. The only shocking thing about the VA fiasco are Gingrich and Perry’s incompetent campaigns.

All the candidates were under the same set of rules in VA. The difference is that some of the candidates willfully ignored the VA election board’s recommendation of 15-20k signatures. It’s a bunch of hogwash for Gingrich to say the system failed. He failed.

http://www.sbe.virginia.gov/cms/documents/Cidates/Bulletins/20120306PrimaryBulletin.pdf

Chris Dias
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Don’t vote for a RINO

StNikao
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At least Gingrich is not willing to bow to the lies being promoted by the PC crowd: – Islam is a religion of peace and good will (GW Bushe’s despicable lie to the American people) and *only extremists* are guilty of atrocities and maltreatment of women and children, intolerant of dissent, of other religions, and intent on conquering the world. (this has enabled Islamists to play good cop/bad cop and delude the American people. – Palestinians are victims who were driven from the land now ‘occupied’ by Israel. – The LBGT lifestyle is healthy, happy and holy. (Hard evidence in science, statistics and Scripture show otherwise) – Marriage is whatever anyone wants it to be. (Departure from God’s design creates confusion, detriment to children, expense to society) – US Judges are exempt from scrutiny and checks on their decisions. (Judges have become political tools and legislators rather than guardians of… Read more »

NJK
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I’ll be voting for Perry.

Professor Why
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Very interesting interview with John Fund (posted @ Newsbusters) re: a possible way for Gingrich to still get onto the ballot:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/brad-wilmouth/2011/12/25/john-fund-explains-why-gingrich-may-yet-appear-virginia-ballot

Professor Why
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And another one that suggests that both Perry & Gingrich possibly have grounds for a recount:

http://www.varight.com/news/virginia-may-have-improperly-excluded-signatures-from-perry-gingrich-a-recount-may-be-needed/

Hing Tan
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Mitt the cowardly liberal
Mitt the cowardly liberal
Mitt the cowardly liberal
Mitt the cowardly liberal

Winston
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Winston

Oh please…

Anonymous
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Hey Newt, conceited much?

Maybe Krull should be fired, hmm?

Mark
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The headline is misleading. It was Michael Krull’s statement and it’s about re-grouping and re-focusing. People have used analogies such as this in everyday life for centuries.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

i agree with bent! If it’s Krull’s statement alone and Newt did not issue it then Krull should be fired. Newt needs to either own up to this statement or condemn it.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

This is an outrageous statement! Newt has just lost my vote!

Mark
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You’re an idiot.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Gee thanks Mark.

StNikao
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Don’t be disingenuous…and like the rabid left, jump on every word and the appearance of a conservative candidate with the most negative accusatory interpretation when you know very well he did not mean any dishonor to the soldiers killed and ships lost at Pearl Harbor!

It was just a comment meaning that losing one battle does not mean the war is over.

Hope Newt and other GOP candidates have some nukes and a secret Normandy invasion plan won’t hesitate to use them. Obama is deep down dirty and fights even dirtier.

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Blutarski: What? Over? Did you say “over”? Nothing is over until we decide it is! Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? Hell no!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8lT1o0sDwI

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StNikao
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One campaigner said that IF they don’t decertify the VA primaries, or help the other candidates to get on the ballot – all the REPUBLICANS IN VIRGINIA should still go and vote for RON PAUL.

If he wins, it will skew Virginia’s primary and help their candidate (Bachmann, Perry, Santorum or Gingrich) in the overall fight against Romney.

And – it will serve VA and the RINOs right.

Nukeman60
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Problem is, since it’s an open primary, all the democrats will vote for Romney. I heard a liberal pundit yesterday say that they feared Romney most of all the candidates. And since I always believe the opposite of what they say, that tells me that they really want him as an opponent.

Mark
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All the Democrats would vote for Romney, regardless.

Mark
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Mark

The establishment GOP favors big government because big government means more government employment and higher government wages for people who make their living in government, including “Republicans.”

Mitt Romney has always been the candidate of the establishment GOP types who earn their living at taxpayer expense… and will fight dirty to continue doing so. That means destroying/eliminating any candidate who’s a threat to buck the establishment.

Both the establishment GOP and the Democratic party want a Liberal (Romney) vs. Liberal (Obama) general election. Whoever wins, Liberal judges will be appointed, ObamaCare will remain and become permanent, taxes will go up, spending will increase, and a central authority will expand, consolidating its power over the masses…

We are dangerously close to living in tyranny.

Mike Zawadzki
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It is like Pearl Harbor. Newt is the Arizona. SINKING

Mark
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Mark

More like the Republican party is sinking with a BIG FAT LIBERAL in Mitt Romney.

Liz Theiss
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Liz Theiss

When I see politicians that are ignoring their own people during a violent invasion…I’m pretty much thinking about Pearl Harbor also.Except nowadays its raw naked treason from within.

FishyGov
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So let me just do a “mic check, mic check!”

It was okay for ACORN to gather signatures for cigarettes, multiple time per person, and those signatures qualified Obama for the primaries in all 57 states?

Why didn’t Newt and Perry just hire those 99% remnants of ACORN in Virginia to gather signatures for them?

Professor Why
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Because they didn’t want to do things the Chicago / Democrat way… they wanted to do things the LEGITIMATE way, within the rule of law… wink

Nukeman60
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It’s unfortunate that any of these candidates don’t get on the ballot. What bothers me most is that the RPV should be concerned that the voice of the people of Virginia is heard. If it were me, I would want as many legitimate candidates on the primary ballot as needed to ensure the desire of the majority of the voters was recognized.

By excluding anyone, whether it be legit (by not meeting strict requirements) or not legit (by possible hanky-panky in the counting), means only that the wishes of the voters is ignored and therefore the electoral process is diminished. Come Convention time, the block vote of Virginia may well go to someone that the voters of that state do not want.

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Protest vote Ron Paul. It’s not like he’s going to win the nomination but why vote for the guy who thinks he can buy it not unlike Obama and his billion dollars. Mitt Romney is Obama-lite in more ways than one. I’m sure he’s smirking over it but he won’t be if he lost 75% – 25% to Ron Paul. smile

Nukeman60
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I agree with your premise, but it would just irritate the heck out of me to have to listen to the Paulbots tell us how many people REALLY like Paul, if he won in that fashion.

Much like the comments about how many of the military donate to Paul. It’s pretty obvious that Paul supporters can mark on their donations that they are from the military, and only 1% of his donations have to do that to get the number that they show. No one can tell me that 80% of all military donations go to either Paul or Obama. Just doesn’t fit with their character, in my opinion.

I’d perfer to straighten out the broken system rather than waste time with political games. If Paul won Virginia after that, well so be it. The people must be allowed to speak.

Anonymous
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If all else fails vote Paul over Romney is all I’m saying. Who cares if it energizes Paulies we all know Paul is not going to be the nominee.

Jaynie59
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Yeah, pretty bad to refer to Pearl Harbor as a “set back”. Newt didn’t write the Note but if he agreed to the analogy that’s bad enough. Especially for him since he goes around calling himself a “historian” all the time.

Doors Xp
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I don’t see why setback is not an appropriate term for the Pearl Harbor attack within the context of WWII. What would you call it?

Jaynie59
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The United States was not involved in World War II prior to Pearl Harbor.

Duh. Hence my problem with someone who claims to be a historian referring to it as a “setback”.

I support Newt. I plan on voting for him if he makes it to Florida. I like everything he has said. But this was dumb.

KenInMontana
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While we were not “directly” engaged in combat prior to the attack on Pearl Harbor, we were indeed involved in the conflict. The AVG was operating in China with the tacit approval of the US Government, we were supplying Great Britain with war materials, from bullets to destroyers, all prior to December 7,1941.

Conservative_Hippie
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Agreed!

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

Thanks, Ken. When I wrote that comment I thought I should probably qualify the “not involved” part because I knew some idiot would come along and point out what were were involved with. Then I decided, nah.

Ramparts360
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Is there anything Newt won’t say? Steyn: “Gingrich is a pushover 4 progressivism who’s succeeded in passing himsf off as a hard-line right-wing bastard.” bit.ly/tVxzqj

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At the risk of being accused of making excuses for Newt…Perry did not make it either. He has the money and is supposedly organized. I hear other candidates had challenges as well. So…the Virginia primary ballot process might be worth consideration; it may be that it, in fact, overly cumbersome. Not making an excuse for Gingrich…he should have had a tighter shot group and hopefully he tightens it up moving forward. I think he will.

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Romney is probably grinning but it could prove embarrassing to him if the other candidates vote go to Paul. I am a Newt supporter and personally I’d vote for Paul because for one I’m not worried about him winning the nomination and two I don’t trust Romney so why would I vote for him over Paul or sit home when I can help make Paul a winner over Romney with 75% to 25% of the vote. Muawahahahaha!

StNikao
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All is not lost.

As some have pointed out, this may work out well for lower poll number candidates if Paul wins VA.

Meanwhile, Gingrich tops Obama in Ohio – http://www.bing.com/videos/watch/video/gingrich-tops-obama-in-ohio-quinnipiac-poll-shows/6mxfvl3?cpkey=c10aaa83-2e7d-4e59-af6a-5ad383f6faf0%7C%7C%7C%7C

The polls and the pundits (paid handsomely for their nasty comments against conservatives and their adoring comments for Obama) are not all that reliable.

We need to pray hard for our nation, the candidates and for the election.

Boats48
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The only thing Newt has proven here is that all those rumors about his inability to organize are true. Past staffers have accused Gingrich of management by chaos and this is certainly indicative of that. If Ron Paul can come up with the signatures why couldn’t he? He lives there on top of it! Sad! Watch his poll numbers drop even more . Nice goin’ superstar!

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The guy who organized the “Contract with America” can’t organize because somebody in his campaign screwed up and he’s taking the heat for them? Do you actually believe Newt should be out there collecting signatures himself? Ultimately he will get zinged and rightfully so but I don’t think its a game changer moreso than Newt just gave Paul and Romney teleprompters in a debate with him -read handicap.

Boats48
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Newt is responsible for running his own campaign. He’s been in politics long enough to know & enlist the most capable folks available to accomplish the job. The failure of Newt Gingrich’s campaign to meet the minimum requirements to get on the ballot in VA is Gingrich’s fault directly. It was his responsibility, he failed! Miserably!!

conservativebc
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What Everyone Missing The Virginia Primaries Means For Your Candidate

http://thebachmanncometh.blogspot.com/2011/12/what-everyone-missing-virginia.html

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Pearl Harbor makes sense. It was a horrible, horrible event but it brought us into focus as a nation and of course was the tipping point that drew us into WWII.

So from that standpoint, it works. This was a bad thing but it can help team Newt focus their attention and drive on winning the “war” then fine.

Kenneth
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Tora… tora… tora…

How would those words apply to Newt’s campaign in Virginia? To put it simply, they don’t. This wasn’t an attack on his campaign from out of the blue, but a failure of his own campaign staffers to do their job.

And trying to compare it to Pearl Harbor may cost him more. I think the other candidates will seize on this and work it, especially given Newt’s Phd in history… wait, that was European history he studied… but he should’ve brushed up on his American history before agreeing to such an asinine analogy.

Kris Smith
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I’m planning on specializing on American/Native American history, so I guess that is why I was particularly irritated by his analogy…especially calling Pearl Harbor a “setback.”

KenInMontana
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In clinical tactical and strategic terms, a “setback” is exactly what Pearl Harbor was. In everyday terms it was a heinous tragedy on many levels.

Kris Smith
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Yeah, well, the comparison of thousands of Americans dying at Pearl Harbor being compared to not getting on the ballot…. Am I wrong to find that offensive?

Doors Xp
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Analogies between military and political campaigns are the norm. In fact, the term “political campaign” derives from the military analogy. It doesn’t mean that any serious person equates politics setbacks to actual people getting killed; that is absurd. Now, for Newt, 49 VA delegate votes “died” (calm down, not literally, it’s an analogy, votes don’t live or die) out of around 2,250 total possible delegates. That’s over 2% of the delegates, which is pretty significant (again, politically speaking, not equating the value of delegate vote with that of a human life).

So, yes, you are wrong to find that offensive.

KenInMontana
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I think you are “offended” by it because of who said it. In complete honesty, if it had been a candidate you support who said it would you still be “offended” by it?

Professor Why
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I can only speak for myself, of course… but I’d be offended if ANY of the candidates spewed this out…

Hell, I’d be offended if Zombie Reagan popped up out of nowhere and said “Brains…. Braaaaaains… Oh, and by the way, that horrible, tragic attack we suffered at the hands of the Japanese during WWII? Totally can equate that with failing to get on VA’s primary ballot… Braaaaaaaaains!!!”

KenInMontana
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I guess I tend to have a different perspective, I hear analogies of this type nearly everyday, where events in sports, business, as well as everyday life are compared to military actions of the past, and apply those analogies to setbacks and successes. My own family has an extensive military service history, the frequency of the use of these type of analogies is commonplace. Business people frequently use “military” analogies when speaking in strategic terms, look at how widespread books such as “The Book of Five Rings” or “The Art of War” are in the business and political worlds. Perhaps my background has given me a “thicker skin” when it comes to these type of things.

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Newt’s analogy is still a bad one it was self inflicted, Pearl Harbor was not unless you want to tread into Paulie territory -read conspiracy. I know the “FDR knew’ argument and I personally don’t buy it. I suppose Newt just wanted to rally the troops but candidates that don’t even win their home state typically don’t win national elections. Although in Newt’s case its a little different than Algore losing his home state costing him the election for which he blames Nader instead of himself. I don’t like people like that, like old man Bush blaming Ross Perot as if Ross was the one who planted “read my lips” into HW’s mouth. Newt’s case is different because they want to vote for him but can’t. It was a brainfart and Newt deserves the zings he’s going to get unless of course there were shenanigans involved. Romney’s PACs throw a… Read more »

KenInMontana
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I didn’t bring up the “FDR knew” CT, however FDR’s administration was playing a game of “brinksmanship” with Imperial Japan. I don’t think he knew that it would come against Pearl Harbor, however to suggest or think that his administration did not know that Japan would react militarily, would be either, ignoring the facts of history or completely naive.

Professor Why
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Actually, based on this article at Redstate:

http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/12/26/did-the-va-gop-change-the-rules-on-primary-ballot-access-in-november-2011/

it sounds like the VA GOP changed up the ballot rules in November 2011… which means that, if this is correct, then Gingrich WAS making an accurate analogy…

If the VA GOP did this crap, then they really did launch a cute little sneak attack at any and all of the GOP candidates vying to get their names on the primary ballot… Pretty pathetic on their parts, if this holds up to be true.

Anonymous
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Indeed! And believe it or not in a strategic sense losing that much of your navy is a setback no doubt it. I still say bad analogy because it was self inflicted.

Kris Smith
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Yes, I would be offended if ANY candidate said it. Unless they can draw the valid parallel of them not getting on the ballot to a national disaster like Pearl Harbor,….I do not care who says it.

Mark
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I still can’t tell if Kris is a man or a woman.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

Bingo! Exactly right Kris! That’s why I have a big problem with his statement!

Troy La Mana
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I saw this headline and I immediately said, “WTF Over Pah-leaaaaaaaze.”

kong1967
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Lol, maybe for him. But he is nowhere near the loss for this country as what was lost in Pearl Harbor.

I don’t think it was meant to be taken as a literal comparison as in losses for the country, but for his campaign that’s saying it’s a pretty big set-back.

He is searching for alternative ways to compete in Virginia? Uh, Newt….write-ins are illegal so you just as well pack it up and move on. The only thing he can possibly do is try to impact the vote between Romney and Ron Paul to get the most votes for the candidate he thinks he can beat everywhere else. Other than that, game over.

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Brainfart. No if ands or buts and no excuses, excuses be like blaming Ross Perot for saying “read my lips”.

Pearl Harbor is a bad analogy unless Newt means FDR knew the Japanese were going to attack and he is FDR and didn’t do nothing about it. The I guess I’d get that perspective but I doubt that’s what he meant, besides, that’s a Paulie type conspiracy.

Oh well. I guess its akin to handicap for Romney and Paul.

kong1967
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I think the only comparison he was trying to draw is how big of a hit it was to his campaign. Pearl Harbor was a set-back for the U.S. but we came back victorious. I think that’s all he was getting at.

That being said, I’m glad to see him going down. Unfortunately, though, none of my candidates made it, either. sad

The only two that made it are ones that will give me nightmares.

Doors Xp
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Everyone knew a Japanese attack was a real possibility. Japan had launched other unannounced military attacks before on other nations. The US made the wrong assumptions and was simply unprepared for a possibility it knew existed.

Similarly, Newt got together 11,000+ signatures and assumed that it would be enough, even though he also knew they would receive extra scrutiny since the total was below 15,000. His assumption was wrong and his campaign has suffered a loss. He now vows to be extra vigilant with regard to organizational details like this and he believes he can turn this acknowledged weakness into a competitive strength.

It will be nice to have a president that knows American history.

K-Bob
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Well, Newt, like Obama, has been in serious, “will not rest” mode on this campaign.

So, in true Obama style, he decided to take a vacation “less than a month” after jumping in the race. It’s how things get done!

Or… not.

(Uh oh, I just compared Newt to Obama. That’s probably raaaaacist.)

cabensg
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Not racist, just inept.

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“Also, it’s Newt’s own fault that his campaign failed to get enough valid signatures. If Romney and Paul can do it, he should be able to do it too. I disagree with you on this Scoop. The Virginia ballot process has been changed and is now one of the most difficult in the nation. It puts *every*candidate without a considerable war chest and/or campaign staff at a distinct disadvantage. Here are a few points from an article I read today which details how complicated Virginia’s requirements are : “Today, Thursday, December 22, 2011, is the ballot access deadline for the 2012 Virginia Republican presidential primary. It also marks the most significant organizational challenge for the presidential campaigns since the Ames Straw Poll on August 13—a labor-intensive task so expensive and time-consuming that at least one and possibly more campaigns will not even attempt it this year. … Virginia’s statutory ballot… Read more »

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You’re right, 77. Bachmann and Sandorum didn’t tackle it probably because they are underfunded; Gingrich and Perry get credit for going for it.

Their letter was a valiant effort to put an upbeat face on an unexpected defeat, and I admire their resolve in the face of what must have been a very discouraging loss for his staff.

We should be careful about downgrading Newt, as he may be our best candidate against the Romney/GOP machine. I smell foul play, and it’s going to get worse.

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Merry Christmas everyone.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

To you too, blackbird!

Kris Smith
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Newt just called the system in Virginia a “failed system.” — Well, at least we know he is willing to accept responsibility for his failure, don’t we?

Link: http://www.politico.com/blogs/burns-haberman/2011/12/newt-blasts-failed-system-in-his-home-state-108634.html

And again, even though the rules were changed, they are supposed to have made it easier to get on the ballot.

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The article I read said that Gingrich and Perry both had 10,000 plus signatures. I don’t remember the odd number plus but they were both barely over 10,000 which was the requirement. The problem was, if you only have 10,000 signatures they must be verified using voter registration files. If the signers have moved and haven’t changed their address with voter registration they are disqualified. Which is what happened with Gingrich’s and Perry’s signatures. Those candidates with 15,000 plus signatures do not have to have the signatures verified. Since it’s impossible for each candidate to handle all of this personally it was certainly an oversight of their staff who should have investigated this beforehand and tried to get more signatures. But the buck always stops at the top so it’s good neither are playing the blame game with their staff. If your going to read Politico for your information it’s… Read more »

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Mark
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Mark

I still can’t tell if Kris is a man or a woman.

I know Kris is a supporter of same-sex marriage and has some liberal views on social issues, but I wouldn’t be surprised either way.

Kris Smith
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Kris Smith

Oh for crying out loud..Can’t you see it in the picture? I’m male. Case closed.

kong1967
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kong1967

Ouch, and I just defended him about the analogy with Pearl Harbor.

I agree that if the system is such where it’s too difficult for 80% of the candidates to get on the ballot it probably is a failed system.

However, he knew the rules and it was up to him to get the signatures. Maybe he should have put forth a stronger effort instead of relying on barely reaching the signature requirements (and going under when some are disqualified). Maybe the candidates are focusing their attention in other places and it came back to bite them in the arse.

Kris Smith
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In other news, the city of Los Angeles may sue Occupy LA for damages caused by their occupation. Ain’t democracy great? Lol

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/12/occupy-la-lawsuit-financial-damages.html

Doors Xp
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Touche.

Professor Why
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Well, that would presume that everyone was blind-sided by the rules in VA… but everyone knew the rules ahead of time, and there was 5 1/2 months available to all candidates to get those signatures…

So if that’s the spin that Gingrich would be going with, then he’d need to rethink his spin strategy… wink

Doors Xp
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Professor,

There were numerous historical precedents for unannounced military action by Japan. War between Japan and the United States had been a possibility each nation had been aware of (and developed various contingency plans for) since the 1920s. Months before the attack on Pearl Harbor, many observers believed that hostilities between the U.S. and Japan were imminent. In fact, a Gallup poll just before the attack on Pearl Harbor found that 52% of Americans expected war with Japan, 27% did not expect war, and 21% had no opinion. The US had years to prepare for this contingency, but did not adequately prepare.

Once again, Newt is right. The problem is that too many Americans don’t know American history. Especially the current president.

Professor Why
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Professor Why

Please don’t assume I don’t know history.

Merry Christmas.

Anonymous
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Well, clearly if Newt had managed to get on the ballot in Virginia….Pearl Harbor never would have happend.

Anonymous
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…and if it wasn’t for Pearl Harbor, I would have spelled happened correctly.

Kris Smith
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Kris Smith

I know my history. I’m specializing in U.S. history, and this was one of the dumbest things Newt could have said. Don’t claim we do not know our history; Newt obviously doesn’t know as much as he wants us to think if he wants to pass this off like Pearl Harbor.

Doors Xp
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Just saying that his analogy is valid from a certain point of view. We’ll see pretty soon how dumb it is, politically, which is what matters for him in this case. Many Americans don’t know US history very well. Perhaps you are one of the exceptions.

Doors Xp
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Only Romney and Paul have ran as presidential candidates before, so they had an advantage at the ballot process in VA.

At Pearl Harbor, the US was caught unprepared. In this regard, the analogy fits in that Newt is admitting to have been unprepared in this case. If he responds with preparation analogous to that of the US after Pearl Harbor, he should do quite well organization-wise.

How do you like that spin?

Doors Xp
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Doors Xp

But Newt lives in VA and has lived there for over a decade. Moreover, he was leading in VA polls. So, arguably he had home-field advantage over the other candidates.

Doors Xp
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Doors Xp

Touche.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

weren’t there some new rules put in place this year?
just wondering if they misread that.

Kris Smith
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Kris Smith

Yes, the rules now are new…but…

Apparently, it was supposed to have gotten easier to get on the ballot there this year than it had been in 2008…..which only makes it look worse for Gingrich.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

From what I have read on this, the Virginia GOP actually increased the number of signatures needed in each district to get on the primary ballot.

On The Mark
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On The Mark

Virginia’s process is weird, but Newt’s campaign new it. I think I get the analogy, but using Pearl Harbor this way is a stretch and melodramatic at best.

Kris Smith
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Kris Smith

Well, he should have know. It is his state, so he knew or should have known… It IS his home state, after all.

Kris Smith
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Kris Smith

Also…Newt, you just lost some of your credibility as a historian…at least in my view..You actually called “Pearl Harbor” a setback? — Lets see:

2,402 dead Americans, 1247 wounded, 188 aircraft destroyed and 155 damaged, 4 battleships sunk and 2 destroyers destroyed….and the list goes on.. You call that a “setback,” Mr. Gingrich? —Wow, if that was a setback, then I’d hate to see what a defeat would look like.

Doors Xp
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Doors Xp

I don’t see why setback is not an appropriate term for the Pearl Harbor attack within the context of WWII. What would you call it?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

An act of war.

Kris Smith
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Kris Smith

Amen to that.

Brian Drolet
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Brian Drolet

The Gingrich campaign comes off sounding petulant by referring to the VA primary ballot rules as a ‘cumbersome process’ and ‘failed system’ when the only people they can blame is themselves. Gingrich has a residence in VA, and is a frontrunner in many state polls there, so getting the requisite number of signatures should not have been a challenge for them.

And I agree that comparing this failure on his campaign’s part to Pearl Harbor is a poor analogy.

Kris Smith
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Kris Smith

He SHOULD have been able to get the signatures.. He is the front runner there…well was, now that he won’t be on the ballot.

But if he cannot even get on the ballot on his home state, what does that imply for other primaries?

Brian Drolet
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Brian Drolet

I’m not a fan of Gingrich, but I don’t think too much should be read into it going forward. Gingrich and his staff may simply have expected to have an easy time getting signatures in Virginia because of him having lived there. True, he’s never run for president before, but the process of running for an election is not new to him. He will probably work harder in the states remaining to him, although I think he’s also not going to be on the ballot in Missouri.

My point was only that failing to take responsibility for this misstep and instead trying to blame the rules there do not reflect well upon him.

Kris Smith
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Kris Smith

Right Scoop says, Also, it’s Newt’s own fault that his campaign failed to get enough valid signatures. If Romney and Paul can do it, he should be able to do it too. I agree. I can understand Perry, Bachmann and Santorum not getting on, since they did not have have much support there in the first place, but Newt had a 5 point lead over Mitt Romney there, so he should have been able to get the signatures. So this was a primary he could have won, and in my opinion, he threw it away. And for the Pearl Harbor analogy that Newt made….there is a better one…During the Battle of Yorktown, Lord Cornwallis asked his superior Henry Clinton for help, and his superior did nothing which cost Cornwallis the battle. I’d say that Gingrich matches Henry Clinton….Henry Clinton took Yorktown for granted and then paid for it…Newt took Virginia… Read more »

American Duckie
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American Duckie

OK- I don’t like the process, but that’s the rules I guess… but to compare to Pearl Harbor?! That’s not a wise move.

Conservative_Hippie
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Conservative_Hippie

AbC, It’s more than not wise, it’s a smack in the face to Pearl harbor vets and their families!

American Duckie
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American Duckie

I know it is C_Hippie. I would have thought Newt would realize that as well. sad

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