‘Obama won’ – Rand Paul explains why he voted FOR Hagel nomination

Rand Paul pulled a Lindsey Graham and basically said he voted for Hagel to be SecDef because Obama won. Seriously:

BUZZFEED – Kentucky Senator Rand Paul said his support for a filibuster against Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel never meant that he would vote against Hagel’s confirmation.

“I voted no because I wanted more information and I think that part of what the Senate does is try to get information about the nominees,” Paul told reporters in the basement of the Capitol after Hagel’s confirmation Tuesday. “I’ve said all along that I give the president some prerogative in choosing his political appointees.”

“There are many things I disagree with Chuck Hagel on, there are many things I disagree with John Kerry on, there are very few things I agree with the president on, but the president gets to choose political appointees,” Paul said.

Asked if he ever got the information he wanted about Hagel, Paul said that he hadn’t.

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You can’t tell me that a man of principle is all of a sudden going to abandon those principles because “the president gets to choose political appointees”. That just doesn’t make sense.

This doesn’t bode well for Mr. Paul at all. I think he voted on his principles this time to be frank and after his last foreign policy speech, there’s just no way I could ever elect him to higher office.

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JeromeFJ
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JeromeFJ

Very troubling votes. Hagel is an unqualified buffoon. Kerry is basically an anti-American propagandist…unless the pro-American position in question directly benefits him. I fully expect him to vote to confirm Brennan today, after filibustering him yesterday.

After all, Obama won.

dougs_phtoo
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dougs_phtoo

What a hypocrit .. either you like him or you don’t .. either he can do the job or he can’t .. if you abandon your principles, you have nothing left, period.

TorchnPitchforks
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TorchnPitchforks

This flushes down the toilet the only senator that suposedly had any integrity. The score is now clear: 535 traitors and enemies of the American People.

smokymacpot
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smokymacpot

Paul’s dad is a certified nutcase. I guess Rand wants to be a certified RINO like his friend Gramnesty. A pox on all you turn coat jerks.

Chester Simms
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Chester Simms

Several months ago, Mark Levin raised the issue that Ron Paul was trying to run away from–some anti-Semitic pamphlets that he had published in the fifties (or earlier).

Rand Paul positioned himself as more conservative than libertarian? Is this a case of the acorn not falling far from the oak?

K-Bob
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K-Bob

I think he should have voted not to confirm. In other words, he should have formally said, “I do not consent.” No Senator has to consent to a nominee that he believes would be a bad choice, regardless of why that Senator believes it. However, those holding up the process wanting more information should have gotten it, and made it public before allowing the vote to happen. Does anyone know if that happened? I sure didn’t see it anywhere. I’ll have to say, however, that we did have to allow the vote to happen. You can’t hold up the vote unless you come up with some indication of incompetence, negligence, or criminal behavior. But once the vote happens, you don’t vote “for” the guy just because the President gets to nominate whoever he wants. That’s a very weak rationale, and it’s not supported by either logic or history. We all… Read more »

Conniption Fitz
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Conniption Fitz

UPDATE:

“Republicans Who Voted to Confirm Plainly-Unqualified Man to Lead the Defense Department… Remember them, and call them out as liars when they claimed they voted “against” Hagel. They did not.

Alexander
Ayotte
Blunt
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Hatch
McCain
Murkowski
Sessions
Thune

Now that’s the list of people who voted “Yes” on cloture (guaranteeing Hagel’s confirmation) but then cast a covering, false vote on the nomination itself (a meaningless gesture made for political purposes).

Interestingly, some people voted the other way around — voting “No” on cloture but then “Yes” on the nomination itself.

Among them? Rand Paul, who’s attempting to both be a Mainstream Conservative and also play to his father’s supporters with their, um… views on Israel.”

http://ace.mu.nu/archives/337888.php

LOOK LONG AND HARD AT THAT LIST. These people are traitors to our country.

Laurel
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Laurel

Republicans playing tiddly winks still while Democrats playing hard core chess. Democrats don’t give a rap about ‘who won’ or we wouldn’t have the term ‘borking’.

Hagel should have been voted down because he isn’t competent for starters. Don’t get me stated on his antisemitism and playing footsie with Iran.

Idahoser
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Idahoser

If you want anything to ever get better, you have to change back who elects Senators.

When states lost their representation, what had been the only entity with the real capability and the motivation to oppose runaway federal government was perverted into a second House, competing with the legitimate representatives of The People to bribe us with our own money for votes.

It isn’t going to fix anything on it’s own, but nothing you would like to see happen is ever going to succeed until there is again a force behind the checks and balances.

cabensg
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cabensg

I never intended to support Rand Paul if he ran for president but I did strongly support him as Senator because of many of his stands and especially his direct questioning in committee hearings. From this day forward I have nothing good to say about him. Hagel is one of the poorest choices Obama could have come up with and Rand should have voted against him. There is no plausible excuse for not voting against Hagel………..none!

Laurel
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Laurel

Totally agree.

TorchnPitchforks
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TorchnPitchforks

This is the final proof that the Repugnican party is only a wholly owned subsidiary of the DemocRATS.

A plaque on both houses.

Only armed rebellion will restore The Republic!

Ember George
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Ember George

How many times must I bang my head into the wall before I suffer enough damage to become a zombie voter and quit caring?

I’m so tired of politics.

Amjean
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Amjean

Alexander
Ayotte
Blunt
Burr
Chambliss
Coburn
Collins
Corker
Flake
Graham
Hatch
McCain
Murkowski
Sessions
Thune

Now that’s the list of people who voted “Yes” on cloture (guaranteeing Hagel’s confirmation) but then cast a covering, false vote on the nomination itself (a meaningless gesture made for political purposes.

Where is the uproar over these votes? Or, is it only about Rand Paul?

wodiej
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wodiej

He was holding out for more info and didn’t get it so voted for it anyway? Yeah, that makes sense. I am hearing VA Gov. and Ohio Gov. are both going wishy washy too. We could have had Gov. Palin or Newt Gingrich (preference to Palin) but our sexist society just wouldn’t go for it.

That’s like asking God for help and if not liking his answer doing what you want anyway then getting angry because God didn’t answer your prayer. If people would start listening to Him instead of relying on their own arrogance, things would be much better or on the way to it. Let Jesus take the wheel.

rekean
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rekean

It is more and more obvious that the only solution to restore our Constitutional Republic is to clean the slate. Vote all career politicians out of office. They all become tainted with the corruption, lack of morality and honor in a very short time.

bornfreeamerican
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bornfreeamerican

What have you done?!!!!! You just sunk your 2016 chances!

Rocco11
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Rocco11

Karl Rove, Frank Luntz, and Mike Murphy probably advised him to vote for Hagel’s confirmation.

The Sane Silence Dogood
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The Sane Silence Dogood

You did not stand by your convictions. I am disappointed in you.

aposematic
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aposematic

The real bad R’s here are those that voted for cloture which in the present Senate guaranteed Hagel’s confirmation. However, Rands reasoning for voting to confirm Hagel, same reason Rand used to vote to confirm Kerry, is flawed at best as it ignores the Senates Constitutional duty on advise and consent. The Senate is and never was meant to be a rubber stamp and the D’s have and never will rubber stamp any R appointee; if fact the D’s take advise and consent to the nth degree.

NanNJ
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NanNJ

Oh damn I was beginning to really like this guy. Now, not so much. Lord, I pray for my country.

nuffsaid
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nuffsaid

Give them everything they want, let the good people of the United States judge him in the end. Keep your powder dry. And close.

We cannot fight them all.

spin43
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spin43

Please STOP giving money to this traitor. When does the true Tea Party members start forming a new party? Is Ted Cruz the only conservative senator or will he buckle too? The Monarchy rules. I too am ashamed of this country, THE WELFARE STATES OF OBAMA.

spin43
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spin43

Any hopes for 2016 have gone down the drain for Runaway Paul. I am asking Tea Party members to pull your support for this coward. Is he, like his father, working for the other side?

Fireplug52
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Fireplug52

All this was played out in the Theater of the Absurd and was going to happen no matter how the Republicans ranted about Hagel’s qualifications or his position on Israel. This whole situation is getting more ridiculous day after day because those who portray themselves as righteous and the standard bearer of truth are anything but righteous and wouldn’t know truth if it bit them in the hindquarters. I think we have short memories when it comes to the statement made by former Senator Trent Lott who said that those who were sweeped into office in 2010 by standing on principle would be co-opted once they got inside the beltway. Well they appear to be doing a good job of just that. Stupid and illogical statements made by those in power are now considered holy scripture and all we are supposed to do is say Amen!!! We need to start… Read more »

BigM
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BigM

The “Machine” has broken what once was “another good man”.

KCWhatever
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KCWhatever

If he thinks “he won” – has he given his 2 week notice of resignation (I mean why continue to be there if it is over), or is he planning on sticking around and letting him “win” some more while he collects a check he doesn’t earn?

Jim Opsahl
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Jim Opsahl

Well, Rand… your Conservative “Flavor of the Month” cred just swirled down the crapper. Kudos to everyone here who counseled caution about him as well as others.

JohnCraven
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JohnCraven

I won’t support Rand Paul for President of the PTA because of this vote.

This is not the vote of a conservative. This is a libertarian vote.

As for the other three republican idiots who voted for this moron to be secretary of defense. as John Kerry. who served in Vietnam said, Americans have a right to be stupid and Kerry should know stupid.

We need a third conservative party to deal with all of this, not a libertarian party but a genuine conservative party.

John Craven
New Orleans

mark1955
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mark1955

No Excuse Rand! Your starting to use Weasel words. You climbed on MITTEN’S bandwagon earlier than you had to instead of fighting for every last scrap until MITTEN’S was officially nominated at the convention, now this. Things are starting to add up against you Rand. I’m one of those people Rand, who believe you and your father Ron before you, have been tasked by the GOPe, to carry on a libertarian façade and to alway’s be available to run or President,either in the repub party or as Independents, in order to cut into the votes of any real Conservative, to allow the latest GOPe milquetoast to win. Your father Ron,came to MITTEN’S rescue in the Debates every time someone started taking it to MITTEN’S. That was not a coincidence. Also, while your father constantly talked against Earmarks,it turned out his Texas District was the biggest recipient among republicans. I think… Read more »

geoff feller
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geoff feller

Do you think he’s reading this? Or who are you talking to? Don’t you want to call him and tell him this? Or are you content on backbiting? That is what you are doing. Not Christian at all…

Adam Coulter
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Adam Coulter

Rand Paul abandon his conservative roots today and voted for Hagel most of the GOP establishment voted Nay on Hagel which is pretty good because I thought they had caved but the establishment didn’t give in on this one …

Henry Thoreau
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Henry Thoreau

Go F Yourself Rand. Sellout POS.

PVG
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PVG

I’m with RS, done with Rand!

mark1955
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mark1955

Done with the GOP also. Someone convince Mark Levin. No more repub party. It is beyond hope!

Brian
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Brian

We are running out of choices. And running out of parties.

NJK
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NJK

This was an irresponsible and horrible thing to do to our soldiers and America. I’m stunned he would do something like this.

Betrayal: Names of Republican Traitors on Hagel Vote
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/

atlas007
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atlas007

Rand is as nutty as Ron. I’m a Palin/Reagan Conservative. Palin/Cruz 2016.

Carolyn Dixon
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Carolyn Dixon

Sarah and dr Ben carson

atlas007
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atlas007

Libertarians are Liberals in many things. We need people like Sarah Palin and Ted Cruz….good, solid Conservatives

PatriotInk
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PatriotInk

chatterbox365
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chatterbox365

What a lame excuse. How about voting for the best interest of our country Rand Paul.

We now have two traitors serving in the cabinet. Why not just appoint Hanoi Jane as the White House Press Secretary.

chatterbox365
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chatterbox365

What a lame excuse. How about voting for the best interest of our country Rand Paul.

We now have two traitors serving in the cabinet. Why not just appoint Hanoi Jane as the White House Press Secretary.

virginiagentleman1
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virginiagentleman1

And this man wants to be president? NEVER! Cowardly and spineless jellyfish!
Rand Paul has proved today that right along with the democrats, republicans have sold their HONOR as well, for political expedency.

poljunkie
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poljunkie

VG- How’d it go yesterday?

I saw a few of your comments from CP. Are you still having troubles logging in? Last night I was having difficulities with Disqus in general. I would be typing a comment and then a white box would cover part of the comment box. ( Here on RScoop) I restarted the computer, logged in/out…but it still happened. Strangely enough, it would allow be to continue writing the comment- in a disjointed fashion, and then Disqus would format it.

Hope all is well.

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