REPORT: Trump expected to announce he will NOT be forcing citizenship question on the 2020 census… [LIVE STREAM]

Trump will be giving a news conference in the Rose Garden outside the White House in less than an hour on the issue of adding the citizenship question to the 2020 census. You can watch the official White House live stream below when it begins at 5pm:



But there are new reports out now that this ‘executive action’ by Trump will not force the citizenship question onto the 2020 census. Rather, they intend to collect the citizenship data by other means:

THE HILL – President Trump on Thursday is expected to issue an executive order directing the Commerce Department to collect citizenship information by other means than the U.S. census, according to an administration official.

The move would effectively sideline the Trump administration’s bid to force the citizenship question onto the 2020 census, which the president abruptly announced after the Supreme Court ruled late last month against its inclusion.

But administration officials have cautioned that the situation is fluid and the plans could change.

We really don’t know how this data would be collected. The Hill points out that The American Community Survey, which is sent out very year, only surveys a small portion of the population.

So for those of you who expect Trump to use an executive order to force the question on the census, you might be in for a disappointment.

Or who knows, this new report could be huey. We’ll find out at 5pm.

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            1. Sorry to hear about your cichlid. Wow, you did have him a while! As we talked about before, I used to have a 20,10 and a 5 gallon back when I was a “tweeney” and a teenager. Now that my daughter is six years old, I’m going to get either a 10 or 20 gallon. She’s going to go nuts. Kid loves animals and fish amaze her.

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              Dude, sorry to here about your employment situation. That’s tough. I’m going through some s#%t with my employer now. My boss is a sociopath, not exaggerating, and I’m about at my wits end. Thought I had another really great opportunity but it’s not looking good now. A freeing that gave me the heads up said the problem is is that they want to hire “one of their own”. Meaning Hispanic and bilingual. It’s a school/charity(hard to explain) and apparently they feel a white guy might scare some folks. Freaking nuts.

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        5. Doc Strangelove came up with the perfect name for “the site that shall not be named”. The Dark Site. It’s shorter, and accurate.

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    1. I think he should just issue agents to kick in every residential door in America, hold all the occupants at gunpoint, and do a forced count. And if you resist…. well, let’s just say that’s one less person to count.

      If we want Big Gov solutions to problems, then let’s go BIG Big Gov solutions.

  1. The American Community Survey already has the question on it. I had to take it last year. Bad Trump for listening to whomever is in his ear about this.

  2. One thing I’m noticing about Disqus is that it doesn’t give the correct comment count when it auto hides the deeper comments. If you notice, when you unhide some of the comments, the comment count goes up. and keeps going up until you’ve unhidden all the comments.

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    3. Scoop, can a “back to the top” feature be incorporated when we get to the
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  3. But administration officials have cautioned that the situation is fluid and the plans could change.

    In other words they have no idea what Trump is going to say next.

  4. Trump could ask the question in a letter to Santa Clause and the leftists in the courts would try to slap an injunction it.

    1. It’s crazy how the courts have intervened in damn near every attempt the administration has made to counteract illegal immigration. Anything to do with immigration, it seems. Whether it’s the travel bans or whatever.

      1. It doesn’t help that the attempts have been… well, let’s just say they’re not approached entirely correctly.

        Donald is looking for quick fixes to a complex problem. And then every time he encounters a legal or political roadblock, he tries to bulldoze through it. But our system of government wasn’t designed for that kind of… “leadership.” And instead of governing properly, Donald searches for ways AROUND proper governance.

        At which point the courts are asked to step in. Which is what they were designed to do.

          1. What did This user is blocked have to say? Hahahahahaha! That was rhetorical, of course.

              1. He doesn’t need to see your comment to know you made one. When Ryan-O replied to you, it shows you are who he is replying to.

                1. Yea, but my point is that he doesn’t actually want to ignore me. He just wants to pretend like he’s doing so. Otherwise why even bring anything up in the first place. He can’t resist trolling.

                  $10 says he hasn’t even blocked me.

                2. Yea, but my point is that he doesn’t actually want to ignore me. He just wants to pretend like he’s doing so. Otherwise why even bring anything up in the first place. He can’t resist trolling.

                  $10 says he hasn’t even blocked me.

                3. Yea, but my point is that he doesn’t actually want to ignore me. He just wants to pretend like he’s doing so. Otherwise why even bring anything up in the first place. He can’t resist trolling.

                  $10 says he hasn’t even blocked me.

          2. Oh please. End-running congress for wall funding with the NEA? Pretext bases for the citizenship question? His hamfisted travel ban by EO?

            He could have accomplished all these goals – the wall, the citizenship question, and the travel ban – if, instead of being a blustering blowharding bull in a china shop, he just sat down and governed properly.

            Dude thinks he’s going to save the world with good intentions and wielding big gov like a club. Just like every other progressive politician does.

    2. He would just screw it up anyway.

      I can just see it now. “I want this hand delivered to the South Pole in July!”

    3. Since the DOJ cannot even choose their own legal teams for the various issues, your comment isn’t far off.

  5. The American Community Survey is not required by law to be returned as the census forms are. I highly doubt many complete it and send it in.

    The long census form which included the citizenship question was eliminated in 2010 by Obama. He claimed that the American Community Survey would provide citizenship information annually. Because it isn’t required by law whatever information gotten from it is useless. What illegal is going to complete that form?

        1. I’m sorry, this reply was meant for Michelle Lee. Put it in the wrong spot.

          Yes but the problem is, they only send the form to 3.5 million people per year. How do you even gather the information you need to determine Congressional representation, funding etc. when you ask such a small sliver of the population per year?

    1. That survey is required by law. If it wasn’t, I wouldn’t have filled it out and returned it. I don’t like giving the government or anyone all of that information.

      1. I’ve been trying to find credible information on the ACS. I don’t remember where I read that the form was not required by law, but I found a few places which provide info.

        https://www.census.gov/prod/99pubs/mso99gacs.pdf

        That info from the US Census Bureau is dated 1999. According to the information there, yes completing the ACS is required by law.

        Then I found this information-

        https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/mar/28/what-you-need-know-about-census-citizenship-questi/

        “The Census Bureau in the mid 2000s began gathering demographic and
        socioeconomic information, including citizenship status, through the
        American Community Survey, or ACS. The survey collects information from
        about 3.5 million households a year.”

        The population of the US is approx. 330 million, yet only about 3.5 million households are sent the survey annually. It would take a whole lot of years to collect citizenship info. from the full population. If anyone has better information, I’d be happy to read it.

        In 2010 a lady showed up in my driveway with her clipboard, and she asked a whole lot info. It must have been the ACS but I don’t remember.

        1. Could’ve been. I got mine in the mail like I do with the census. The forms say it’s required by law. Even if from 1999, I’d go with what that census site says.

      2. Hubby threw ours on the trash, as he did the follow up one left on the door, and wouldn’t answer the door when they showed up in person. When I filled them out, there were many questions I didn’t answer because it was intrusive information they wanted about something not the government’s business in a free Republic.

        1. I joined this Knowledge Panel, they supposedly pay for opinion. I never got anything and the questions started getting a little too personal, so I dumped it. I think that it was more about gathering information on regular folks.

          1. I didn’t think there was any need to know how many bedrooms and bathrooms we have in the house. Government looking to place free “boarders” in our homes? Previous Hubby and parents from Poland had that done to them so that always resides in the back of my mind among concerns and fears.

            1. I told my husband that’s for when the government comes after us and tell us we only need one toilet and will need to pay a tax for the extra toilet.

              1. ….have you ever ever thought you would be in a conversation about the US Government possibly confiscating rooms in your house.Now you know why they are after all of our guns.

            2. That’s funny, I’ve always had this fear in the back of my mind that I’ll come home one day and find a family of illegals has moved in.

              1. Remember back when there were so many foreclosures because of the housing bust. People were breaking into those homes and squatting there and trashing the place.

                1. Not really. But you reminded me of when I did it back when I was a degenerate drug addict.

                2. I am so thankful to have you with us in your sane and great days Doc. I still keep in mind when you posted that you learned that you don’t need to have rent free space going on in your head. It seems that she who will not be named tried to rent some of that space, but was denied access.

                3. Thanks, being here with you good people helps me stay sane and sober more than you will ever know. As for the rent-free space, I’ve forgotten the Dark Site and intend to do the same with a certain Attention Troll.

            3. …..unless the government wants you to rent them out to illegals,just wondering.Thanks Lillie Belle.

              1. The first thing they will do when they destroy our Republic is to force us to house whomever they want. Asking questions now is building their database of knowledge to use in the future.

            4. My old auntie had a friend who lived in Germany in an apartment with her husband. They had a 2 bedroom apartment. They got wind that the government was going to move another couple into their apartment, so the woman moved her parents into their second bedroom. She said that they only whispered when they talked about the government because some would turn you in as anti-government by the request of the gov.

              I was asked about how many beds and baths we had in 2010. They can get that information from various real estate websites. You can enter any address and info on the property is shown, in some cases picture info even if the property isn’t for sale.

                1. You’re probably right Doc but I never asked where she lived in Germany. She and her hub were originally from Czechoslovakia, moved to Germany, and then moved to France and then came to the US. I believe she was born somewhere in the 1920’s.

              1. Can you give me a link to one of those websites so I can check out our 90+ year old home?

                1. I just searched my address, and info came up about the property with all it’s history. The house we live in is 80 years old. I also looked up some relatives addresses and I found info on all of the properties on that street that were not even for sale. That info must be coming from the county tax assessors office.

      3. That’s correct. If one’s household is selected, one is required to complete the survey:

        If your address was selected for the American Community Survey, you are legally obligated to answer all the questions, as accurately as you can. The relevant laws are Title 18 U.S.C Section 3571 and Section 3559, which amends Title 13 U.S.C. Section 221.

        Your answers are important. The American Community Survey is sent to a small percentage of our population on a rotating basis. As part of a sample, you represent many other people…

        Response to the survey is required by law because the American Community Survey is part of the decennial census, replacing the “long form” that previously was sent to a percentage of households once every 10 years.

        https://www.census.gov/programs-surveys/acs/about/top-questions-about-the-survey.html

    1. The problem is most of us have no say in the matter (i.e. employer makes the decision for us).

    2. I understand the sentiment, and I don’t disagree with your point. However, we still live in a reality where failure to pay income taxes will result in confiscation of your property and possible jail time. I wish there was a way out of it, but come what may, death and taxes are a certainty of life on this planet that cannot be avoided..

        1. Make me another head count with Doc! Bet there are a bunch of us on here that don’t do Twitter and would add to the head count for you to use.

          1. You really can’t be yourself on Facebook. Apparently, the Zuckerberg presented on television has even less of a sense of humor when the cameras aren’t centered on his creepy face. If people think clowns are scary, they should try sitting across a table from the smartest man in the room (not named Ted Cruz)…

          2. You really can’t be yourself on Facebook. Apparently, the Zuckerberg presented on television has even less of a sense of humor when the cameras aren’t centered on his creepy face. If people think clowns are scary, they should try sitting across a table from the smartest man in the room (not named Ted Cruz)…

        1. It’s easy. Just use horrible, discriminatory words and phrases like queer, tranny and only two genders. The more accurate you are, the quicker you’ll be censured!

  6. ….but the Administration has cautioned that the situation is fluid and the plan could change.I have heard this so many times its etched on my forehead.Just cannot get relaxed when this President says he is going to act on an Issue.

    1. All evidence suggests Trump’s management style is predicated on a continuous litmus test. He’s like Commodus in Gladiator (i.e. thumbs up or thumbs down). He’ll publicly put forth a moderate/left leaning position and then wait to see how the base reacts, or negotiate with Democrats and/or the GOP establishment from a far right position and then slowly concede everything to them, or stubbornly use executive action to implement a conservative policy that appeases his voters, and then wait for the courts to strike it down. He thrives on conflict, and surrounds himself with people who keep the internal struggle (e.g. Priebus vs Bannon) going at all times.

        1. Who wouldn’t want to work in a place where there’s cut throat competition between employees, yet everyone is simultaneously walking on pins and needles?

      1. Thanks Girly,its not like he is changing his mind after a major event occurred,its like someone is spinning him around in his Oval Office Chair and saying,” I told you to stop using that I Pad.”

    2. Certainly seems a lot less “12th dimensional chessmaster” and a whole lot more like, “I have no idea what am I doing here I have no business being here what friggin idiots though I could do this” doesn’t it.

      1. Seem like I just went through this when several chewed out my butt for challenging the President on not following through on his Iran threats and other issues.Right now AT I am leaning wholeheartedly towards agreeing with your last comments.Something has to get resolved before the 2020 elections.Right now the President is challenging no one.

  7. keeps caving. Signed terrible bills that stopped him from building the wall, now backing down on the census, expected to sign bill that pushes for more foreign talent hiring. Utter disappointment. The only thing is Dems are certifiably nuts or Trump would have a hard time getting reelected. He has done some good things but not merely enough.

    It’s not like his Supreme Court judges are great. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh have already sided with libs a couple of times

    1. It’s like he ran on a platform of telling everyone what they want to hear, but not actually wanting to do any of it, and now he has to keep up appearances while being as ineffectual as possible.

    1. I thought you were boycotting youtube because they stole your 1st amendment and kicked you out of the marketplace of ideas because section I0I allows them to do whatever they want.

      1. Only A Brainless Embarrassment would prattle and screech that unfairness is somehow censorship.

      2. Only A Brainless Embarrassment would prattle and screech that unfairness is somehow censorship.

      3. O/t but if you care to know I actually figured out the rules on substituting counsel that’s prevailed at the time of the founding. Turns out that the founders very much would have envisioned court involvement.

        1. Great Slantry, would love to see the evidence for that. I would make a bet that any involvement, contrary to what you said, would be less and not more than it is now.

          1. Copied from the other post:

            From “a treatise on the practice of the Supreme Court of the judicature of the state of New York in civil suits” published in 1794:

            “Where an attorney once appears, or undertakes to be attorney or another, he shall not be permitted to withdraw himself, and, it is said to be his duty to proceed in the suit, although his client neglect to bring him money … Where an attorney, having been retained, has undertaken to appear, the defendant cannot countermand the appearance after his retainer, nor can he change his attorney at any time pending the suit, without leave of court, granted upon payment of his bill, and upon notice to the adverse party or his attorney.”

            1. ok, while I commend you for finding this, granted this is only for Supreme Court of NY, it seems to be more to protect a defendant in receiving representation and an attorney’s payments more than anything else. Nothing here says to me that a judge has discretion to deny any “leave of court”, assuming attorney bill is paid.

              1. New York was the court whose 18th century rules I could find online, but the rule traces back to English common law, which is the root of the entire US legal system, so I’d assume it was in effect just about everywhere (NY was also, of course the nation’s first capital, although it had moved to Philly by 1794). Back then, attorneys could only appear by court warrant, and changing attorneys meant getting a new warrant, and physically serving it on the opposing attorney.

                “Leave of court” necessarily suggests discretion to deny, although I agree the grounds for such denial are obviously not stated. The rule is facially more restrictive in two ways than the current regime though, insofar as:

                1) Attorneys today can withdraw their appearances without client consent and even if they are getting paid. Courts can still deny their motion to withdraw, but with good enough reason (e.g. this person won’t listen to me and I can’t represent them effectively), it can be done.

                2) Clients do not have to pay outstanding bills before requesting to change attorneys. Attorneys in some circumstances can levy a charging lien and refuse to hand over their file to new lawyers before they get paid, but often the attorney will just sue for unpaid fees. Either way, courts can’t deny a motion to substitute counsel on the grounds that the client has paid prior counsel.

                1. I am still not convinced it was necessarily “more restrictive”. I guess it all depends on how they viewed “leave of court” back then and assuming you’re correct on the discretion to the court it implied, how was it exercised? Probably only way to know is to review old cases if they’re even available?

                2. I highly doubt that there are recorded decisions about substitution of counsel back then, but “leave of court” has always meant the court’s permission, which the court has the discretion to withhold.

    1. GFYS and stfu why r you even here ! This is good for our country or are you a globalist too !!!

    2. I don’t see that is “folding”. I see that as being practical. Like AG Barr said, there’s no way they can resolve this through the court before the census, so they took a different approach which could be just as good if not better.

      1. Better?

        While fed agencies might have some more detailed info, they don’t have complete info. Who is going to normalize this data? This is a massive and expensive project in itself. How are they going to figure out which stolen identities are being used?

        This is a cave, pure and simple.

  8. Once a LYING PATHOLOGICAL CON ARTIST then ALWAYS a LYING PATHOLOGICAL CON ARTIST and THAT’s JUST WHAT the Orange CON IS. He’s not conservative he is a FLAMING LIBERAL AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN. THAT is why i will NEVER support him but vote third party Federalist instead, i value my principles.

    1. Prepare to be hated.

      I, for one, don’t agree with every word you said, but support the general sentiment.

  9. It’s appearing that all those in the FBI and the DOJ who committed all those crimes to destroy this president at the beginning of his term,should have just waited and watch the President possibly destroy himself.Even on this site you can see some of his support crumbling.Right now I am hoping Ted is having some thoughts about taking another run at it.Right now our borders are wide open [without any addressing],Nothing he appeals gets through the Courts and what happens when the job markets collapses and these 50 Million Illegals are just sitting around collecting Freebies.

  10. Did anyone see the spat between Gorka and some leftist “journalists” who were jealous they weren’t invited to the Social Media Summit? haha

  11. The data is there and Trump just made it easy to mine it. They will take the Census data and run it against the new database. This means the Census will be very accurate and the Liberal states lose. Trump gets it done without having the liberal courts interfering.

        1. Apportionment is based on the census. Not on the federal records run against it.

          Also, do we agree or disagree with the federal government mining the data it has on the citizenry?

          1. And the Census will be adjusted based on the new data.
            Nothing wrong with minding legally obtained data they already have and using it for this purpose.

            1. Will it though? Because then it stops being census data and starts being some other data that was cross-referenced against the census. Not sure that can be used for apportionment.

              Just because they obtained the data legally doesn’t mean they should have it.

  12. Cultists don’t help Trump when they defend clear losses and attack those who want the president to do better…

  13. Oh shock…not! Trump is a COWARD or a Democrat in hiding…which is it? I believe he is a Democrat masquerading as a populist/conservative.

  14. Another Trump capitulation. Surprise, surprise. Without the Census results on who or who isn’t a citizen, representation will just keep increasing in blue states and blue cities. Thanks Trump. You are helping to destroy this nation all the while making us think you give a damn. It your AG or other cabinet chiefs can’t pass muster with your own conservative judges and justices, then what good are you or them?

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