Ron Paul defends Hamas, blames Israel for 2009 war and more

I’ve never believed Ron Paul is anti-Israel more than I do now. After hearing his statements during the 2008-09 war when Israel sought to defend itself from the relentless attacks by Hamas, I’m now firmly convinced that he is anti-Israel and his foreign policy is informed by that stance.

Just listen to his comments below. It is clear he blames Israel, not just for the war, but for not dealing with its problems which he says has much to do with US intervention in the Middle East. He believes Israel should be talking to the Arab League every day but that they won’t because they know America will back them up.



Thus, he feels like our blind support of them is a hindrance to Israel and that if we stop supporting them and get out of the Middle East, they will be motivated to work out their problems and, I guess, there will be peace in the Middle East. Lunacy!

He also compares Gaza, once again, to a concentration camp and suggests that Hamas isn’t the aggressor.

Here are most of his comments, all of which are in the video below:

It’s our money and it’s our weapons. But I think we encouraged it. Certainly the president has said nothing to diminish it. As a matter of fact he justifies it on moral grounds…without even mentioning the tragedy of Gaza, you know the real problems that are there. To me I look at it like a concentration camp. People are making homemade bombs – like they’re the aggressors? …

I think if we weren’t in the Middle East there’d be a much greeted motivation for Israel to deal with all the people and maybe the Arab League. Maybe they would be talking to the Arab League every single day and work out problems. But they don’t do that. They don’t have the motivation because they know we’ll back them up. No matter what happens over there, Israel knows and our government knows, Republican or Democrat, that we’ll do whatever is necessary to bailout Israel.

If Israel has a problem they have to deal with it. I don’t think it should be any of our business. It’s just that it’s our business and we will be blamed because we support Israel blindly so. And we give them the money and we give them the weapons. …

If I personally favor one side or the other side then it’s really pretty academic because politically I don’t want to be involved. If I wanna say well, you know, I really think the Palestinians have been ripped off and therefore all the blame is on Israel, then I’ve sorta stepped in a little bit more than I want to. I can have a personal opinion but politically my position is that America would be much better off if we just minded our own business

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telavivvacationapartment
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telavivvacationapartment

since he is a leader he must be involved in every way how can people rely on him this is so disgusting

Sean Johnson
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Sean Johnson

If Paul gets elected they are going replace the red phone in the White House with the batshit phone.

David Scott Masiwchuk
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David Scott Masiwchuk

People think Paul would get the independent vote….He wont cause independents are not libertarians. Independents wouldn’t consider their family being killing as something they brought on themselves. Ron Paul is a angry dangerous little man that doesn’t have the backbone to lead the country safely. He is worse than Obama in the blame America game.

Anonymous
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KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

And your point is?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

The point is that Scheurer knew bin Laden as well as anybody and has an intimate understanding of terrorism and Middle Eastern politics. His is an opinion to be considered seriously.

Sean Johnson
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Sean Johnson

Go listen to Alex Jones and spray vinegar to stop those Contrails errr I mean “Chemtrails” and the lizard people. We in Mossad are watching you!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFMEdHC7xlA&feature=player_embedded

BS61
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BS61

You are correct! We should abosolutely accept Muslims the same way that Eurpope has, right? Their non-interventionist policies are really working! /sarc

Anonymous
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Anonymous

It is Europe’s socialism that has opened the door to their demise. We are headed down the same path. Scheurer believes in a strong America first.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

He failed.

David Scott Masiwchuk
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David Scott Masiwchuk

Wonder if he smokes pot and wants it legal.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I’ve never smoked pot in my life, but it should be legalized. Unless you like to Incarcerate blacks at a disproportionate rate of course. Prohibition = epic fail

David Scott Masiwchuk
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David Scott Masiwchuk

Legal heroin equals more children dead

Anonymous
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Anonymous

You just changed the subject from marijuana to heroin, but if either were legal they could be taxed and regulated at the state level. Legalizing drugs would result in less death, not more.

David Scott Masiwchuk
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David Scott Masiwchuk

Less death huh? magically Heroin or Meth become less dangerous to you cause they make it legal? LMFAO

BS61
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BS61

Oh sure, let me take apologist for the US Scheure as proof that RP is right! BWAHAHAHA!

I’m sick of Obama and his hate the US – why would I ever vote for Paul, who will no doubt be bowing to every foreign leader?!

Larry Gibby
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Larry Gibby

Poor old Ron. He’s just been beaten to a psychological pulp by 77 years of life on the left. Nothing to offer.

Johann Streit
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Johann Streit

IRAN Paul!

Johann Streit
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Johann Streit

Iran Paul!

patrick
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patrick

Dr.Paul forgets the series of war Israel had to fight before Hamas, beginning in 1948 and continuing until this very day.

Dr.Paul should also find and read the Charter of Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Muslim Brotherhood, all of whom call for the destruction of Israel.

lugita15
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lugita15

Did anyone notice that he was speaking on the Iranian state-run news network Press TV? That’s absolutely ridiculous.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Ron Paul looks more like Frank Purdue everyday. Clucking like the chicken he is.

StNikao
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StNikao

You have to admit that Paul has a point – US foreign aid and defense policy is schizoid and dishonest to say the least. That does not excuse despicable acts of terrorism on civilians. We promote gay rights with one hand when gays have 44 times higher risk of AIDS and with the other hand fund AIDS research. We give aid and arms to our enemies and the enemies of Israel. We install a dictator and then either turn our backs on or remove him later on. We are attacked by a group of terrorists with ties to Saudi and Iran, so we attack a few mountains in Afganistan. We invade Iraq and Afganistan, but don’t fight to win. We give aid to Pakistan and Afganistan when they do not show the least loyalty to the US. We install a president and commander of our armed forces who is not… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Well said, and I can’t wait till the world finally calls out Chris Dodd and Barnie Frank for setting the stage for the world wide economic mess we are suffering right now. During the clintoon admin, the fair housing act was the beginning of their world wide redistribution plan. Saul Alinsky is probably very proud of them. Fortunately, he is roasting in Hades.

StNikao
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StNikao

Here’s a really helpful article on Libertarianism aks Right Wing Utopianism and Ron Paul by a former libertarian:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/12/to_get_ron_paul_you.html

David Scott Masiwchuk
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David Scott Masiwchuk

Paul again shows his extreme views and cowardliness to stand with a friend….A vote for Paul seems to be a vote for for Islamist extremists.

ryanomaniac
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ryanomaniac

Why is it that Paul fans can read his mind? Every accusation made against him you hear the chorus ring “well what dr. Paul really meant was…”

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Sounds similar to the obamites prior to the last election and we all see how right THEY were.

BS61
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BS61

Yes! And that includes his son!

Anonymous
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Anonymous

“concentration camps” ?? Are you freakin’ kidding me??
http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotels-g660378-West_Bank_and_Gaza-Hotels.html
http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=285242

http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/001114.html
-‘Roots’ high-end restaurant in Gaza strip: http://www.rootsclub.ps/services.html

yeah. Concentration camp… only gruel and prisoners performing slave labor…
Ron Paul should know better. This clip was old, sure, but there is no way that Ron Paul is unaware of the ‘plight’ of the Palestinians. Gaza suffers from the same problem as most Arab nations; government and ‘aristocracy’ hold most of the money and power, and use the rest as pawns in war, and most of the money is spent on ammunition and arms.

concentration camp my…. You know, I think I’ve had enough of a President who speaks before he knows what he is talking about. Especially when that President believes that he is saying what the people want to hear.

Larry Gibby
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I suppose it’s just A-OK with Ron Paul that ALL of Israel’s neighbors are using weapons with “Made in Russia” and “Made in China” (and unfortunately some say made in the U.S., like Saudi and Egypt) stamped on them. So Russia and China have every right to sell their weapons to whoever they want, thats none of our business. If we sell weapons to anyone though, we’re bad and immoral meddlers and we should just stay out of it. Yeah that’s a coward’s foreign policy. Then to speak again and again with such solidarity to the poor, poor, poor oppressed Palestinians, and those oh-so-reasonable Arab states. If only Israel would negotiate it’s total surrender and suicide, the Middle East could have peace. The Jews should just throw parades for the mooslim suicide bombers and line up to be slaughtered. I have no patience for RP, he is in the wrong… Read more »

ryanomaniac
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ryanomaniac

Cowards foreign policy. That hit the nail on the head. Well said.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Great debate everyone! After reading all of the comments here’s my summary (for what’s it worth):

Paul supporters seem to be very passionate and truly believe in their positions. But they don’t seem to be very educated in the history of the ME region or Islam, nor do they seem to be concerned about Israel or any of our other allies (if we have any left after Obama).

Those opposing Paul, well let’s just say, you guys did a great job with facts and were respectful in stating your opinions. I really didn’t have to add anything. Clicked on a lot of “Likes” on this string. Smack Down!

My opinion: Paul’s approach to world affairs is absolutely frightening to me. In addition, I think he’s nuttier than a fruitcake and I can’t figure out how the heck people in TX (of all places) keep electing him!

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American Duckie
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good grief. “western sanctions against Iran are “acts of war” that are likely to lead to an actual war in the Middle East.” I hate to break it to him, someone who has admitted to being a Christian- war will be coming to the middle east, in a big way. Now I happen to believe God will protect Israel in a miraculous way, but because that is His people (and a host of other reasons) I will choose to stand with Israel. We could look at Iran with a smile- but they’d still not think twice about dropping a couple of dirty bombs packed in suitcases around some of our main cities, nor would they blink while dropping an EMP on the heartland.

Anonymous
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Don’t worry. Ron will change his mind about 3 months after Iran perfects a nuke and a mushroom cloud rises over the middle east somewhere. Anyone who doesn’t see this isn’t just naive. They are an huge threat to our safety and will be accessory to the crime of mass murder.

BS61
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BS61

I agree, but it’s not naive! RP and his supporters refuse to believe that muslims hate us. They refuse the facts of the Koran and Thomas Jefferson fighting muslims.

Anonymous
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Paul is a lunatic! He needs to lose his senate seat AND the presidency.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Ron Paul is a member of the House of Representatives, not the Senate. He is not seeking re-election to that seat next November.

Chris Taramelli
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Chris Taramelli

You are all looking at this one sided. Its not just one country, its all of them. He is completely right that countries have become way too reliant on us. We shouldn’t be involved with Israel… sorry. We as Americans should stop worrying about any other country (not on a human/natural compassion level) on a government level. I don’t want to see us in any other country unless our public hunger is fed, our poor are taken care of, and our society is to a point where we CAN worry about someone else’s, unless of course it effects us first hand not to be involved, which in Israel is not the case. He said it well when he said, ” We need to stop slapping people on the wrist as a precautionary task”. Half or our problems are caused by us guys. WAKE UP! Things like the patriot act need… Read more »

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Maybe we should apply the same criteria to you. When you’re in need, no one should even look at you. When you’re hungry, we should just laugh at you and have another drumstick. Someone beats your ass, we just turn up the music. Someone accuses you of a crime that we know you didn’t commit, we’ll just look the other way. That’s the same kind of crap you’re pushing, paulnut.

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

And are you WILLING to help your CHRISTIAN brothers and sisters that are Palestinians? OR do they not count?

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Show me Christian “Palestinians”, and I’ll think about it. So how much have YOU helped your Christian brothers and sisters in Israel?

Anonymous
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The point that should matter is, who is the aggressor and why are they resorting to violence? The palestinians and the arabs have sworn to wipe Israel and US off of the planet. So, the palestinians, reguardless of religion, are the problem. Besides, I’m fairly certain that the palestinians WEREN”T there first. Moses didn’t lead the palestinians to safety.

A dead enemy is a peaceful enemy. Blessed are the peacemakers.

Larry Gibby
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Larry Gibby

Arafat said this in 1970, with candid simplicity, told the reporter Arianna Palazzi: “The question of borders doesn’t interest us… From the Arab standpoint, we mustn’t talk about borders. Palestine is nothing but a drop in an enormous ocean. Our nation is the Arabic nation that stretches from the Atlantic Ocean to the Red Sea and beyond it….. The P.L.O. is fighting Israel in the name of Pan-Arabism. What you call “Jordan” is nothing more than Palestine.” FACT: “In the history of the world, Palestine has never existed as a nation. The region known as Palestine was ruled alternately by Rome, by Islamic and Christian crusaders, by the Ottoman Empire and, briefly, by the British after World War I. The British agreed to restore at least part of the land to the Jewish people as their ancestral homeland. It was never ruled by Arabs.” THERE IS AN ARAB STATE ON… Read more »

Larry Gibby
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Larry Gibby

There is no such thing as a “Palestinian”. They’re Jordanian Arabs. Do some homework.

BS61
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BS61

There are no Christian Palistinians! Where the heck did you learn that lie?! Go to Israel and see the truth.

Larry Gibby
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Larry Gibby

Explain to us how your rights and freedom were violated by the Patriot Act. You’re still squawking.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Inasmuch as the U.S. is currently giving more foreign aid to Israel’s enemies than to Israel, wouldn’t we be helping Israel if foreign aid was cut off to all countries?

Anonymous
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Paul has a MAJOR mental issue. Israel can take care of those Arabs if need be. He is nuts and should join the ranks of Carville from Louisiana. God Help him. Maybe we should let Hamas terrroists kidnap him and I think he might change his mind about Hamas. They kill the very Palestinians who elected them. http://youtu.be/I1M4eH9Kk7I Paul is a fruitcake.

Chris Taramelli
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Chris Taramelli

You… my good sir, are a fruitcake.

Anonymous
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While I have no love lost for Representative Paul’s foreign policy views, setting aside the snark, this story is priceless: Ron Paul’s Lonely Breakfast of Champions http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2011/12/ron-pauls-lonely-breakfast-of.php On another note: Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke Says He’s Voting For Ron Paul: He Understands The “Powers of International Zionism”… http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/29/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-says-hes-voting-for-ron-paul-he-understands-powers-of-international-zionism/ Will the Paul campaign disavow the support of Duke, a known racist and anti-Semite? Ron Paul: Yeah, I Wrote Some of the Newsletters, Just Not the Bad Stuff That’s Causing Me Problems Now http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/12/29/ron-paul-yeah-i-wrote-some-of-the-newsletters-just-not-the-bad-stuff-thats-causing-me-problems-now/ The story keeps changing. Ron Paul Sides With Iran http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2011/12/29/ron-paul-sides-with-iran/ Hmm … On July 31, 2006 the UN Security Council passed a resolution telling Iran to stop enriching uranium or else. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/sc8792.doc.htm Iran has refused. On Jun 9, 2010 the UN Security Council passed a resolution imposing further economic and diplomatic sanctions against Iran because of its refusal to stop enriching uranium. http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2010/sc9948.doc.htm Yet, Representative Paul… Read more »

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I am embarrassed for the paulbots who keep defending this assclown. There is no amount of spin or smoke blowing that will ever convince me that this nutjob should play any role in American politics. Hell, I wouldn’t even trust him to pick up dog crap in my yard. Seriously, if you are still a Dr Paul groupie at this juncture in time, there is something wrong with you. Generally, I am a very compassionate person but I can guarantee you that I will be rejoicing in the Paulbots agony when this freaks loses his a$$ in this election.

Chris Taramelli
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Chris Taramelli

How about you make a somewhat creditable political statement instead of talking yourself up, because from what you just said i would bet almost anything you know nothing of politics…

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Typical paulnut. She attacks an issue, which happens to be connected to Rumpelstiltskin’s character (or lack thereof), and since you don’t have the ability to intelligently defend it, you resort to tactics of deflection and personal attacks. As opposed to addressing what she was talking about, you immediately change the subject to her. Only a pathetic paulnut would think that’s an effective argument: a strawman. Try to act like an intelligent debater (something I’m not accusing you of being), and address the issue to which she was referring. If you can’t understand it, then ask her to clarify what she was talking about. Don’t worry though; I know I’m asking too much.

Larry Gibby
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Larry Gibby

You are a real annoyance.

BS61
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BS61

TammyP can make any COMMENT that she want’s on this board! She is not a journalist.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

True True he does sound very very anti Israel………. and does seem to have very unfounded and uninformed sympathies towards those poor home made bomb makers…….
but come on now thats not his biggest problem……
his main problem is hes a NUTJOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!!!!!!!

MichaelAndrewAlaniz
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MichaelAndrewAlaniz

Really Iowa!?!? Why on earth do you have this loon leading in the polls????

rpercifield
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rpercifield

I would not count on the accuracy of the polls in Iowa.

Chris Taramelli
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Chris Taramelli

Educate yourself on RP. Im convinced anyone who opposes him either doesn’t know all of his sides or just listens to what they are told and form opinions on media statements and bumper stickers.
(no offense intended)

Virus-X
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Virus-X

No, you’re just convinced your Stormfront/Neo Nazi candidate is the right man to put America back on track to becoming the racist utopia those organizations would like to see. For all your cries of telling other people to educate yourself, you’ve shown yourself to be anything OTHER than educated. Once again, just like you did with Tammy P., you engage in weak ad hominem attacks and strawmen, all the while refusing to PROVIDE this so-called education on Rumpelstiltskin, and why he’s supposed to be so great. You refuse to address, in any way, shape or form, the materials that have given people reason to doubt, or even downright dislike, him, and you’ve provided no evidence to support your implication of greatness. The reasons behind this are simple: its because you can’t.

BS61
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BS61

We are educated on RP, perhaps he needs to be educated on Islam!

Honestly, now I would never vote for any Paul’s because of their supporters insults to me.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Former KKK Grand Wizard David Duke Says He’s Voting For Ron Paul: He Understands The “Powers of International Zionism”…
http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/29/former-kkk-grand-wizard-david-duke-says-hes-voting-for-ron-paul-he-understands-powers-of-international-zionism/

Hmm ….

Will the Paul campaign publicly disavow this support and condemn Duke for being a racist and an anti-semite?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

You have every right to disagree with Ron Paul on any number of political issues.

However, your idiotic assertions of racism and anti-semitism are despicable. Have you ever heard of the fallacy of guilt by association?

Here is a black man relating his personal experience with Dr. Paul. Anybody who thinks Ron Paul is a racist should watch this. He is being smeared, because he is the only genuine threat to the elite.

http://www.revolutionpac.com/2011/12/the-compassion-of-dr-ron-paul/

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Another paulnut engaging in red herring arguments. Ron Paul’s guilt is not by association, but due to the fact that he has committed the very acts he’s accused of committing. HE wrote those newsletters and published them. HE defended those newsletters, then later flip-flopped and said he’d never read them. HE made statements like: “[Martin Luther King, Jr.], the FBI files reveal, was not only a world-class adulterer, he also seduced underage girls and boys…And we are supposed to honor this ‘Christian minister’ and lying socialist satyr with a holiday that puts him on par with George Washington?” -1990 newsletter and “Boy, it sure burns me to have a national holiday for that pro-communist philanderer, Martin Luther King. I voted against this outrage time and time again as a Congressmen [sic]. What an infamy that Ronald Reagan approved it! We can thank him for our annual Hate Whitey Day.” –newsletter,… Read more »

ryanomaniac
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ryanomaniac

VirusX, you are the man bro. Way to serve it up to these school boy bitches.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Please.

Ron Paul is not a racist. Here is Walter E. Williams saying so himself just yesterday guest hosting for Rush:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRZd56bWSfY&feature=player_embedded

But maybe Dr. Williams’ defense of Ron Paul’s character is not enough. Here’s 14 minutes of black Americans saying the same thing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA2ehvB-_Ac&feature=youtu.be

Then, for those who say Ron Paul’s foreign policy is dangerous and even anti-semitic, here is former CIA bin Laden unit chief Michael Scheurer endorsing Ron Paul specifically because of his foreign policy.

http://www.ronpaul.com/2011-12-30/iowas-choice-dr-paul-or-u-s-bankruptcy-more-wars-and-many-more-dead-soldiers-and-marines/

Finally, if you or anybody else here doesn’t think there is a very powerful cabal controlling both “sides” of our political system, think again. They will do whatever is necessary to maintain the status quo that keeps them in control and continues the insidious process of wealth transfer that our corrupt monetary system facilitates.

BS61
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BS61

I don’t trust Michael Scheurer as he also has views anti-American!

BS61
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BS61

Sure, that’s what they said about Obama and Rev Wright or the Communist Party USA support, nothing to worry about. Except that we have a communist as Prez now!

Please wake up RP supporters. I don’t have friends in the KKK or CPUSA!

kong1967
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Home-made bombs that blow up entire busses full of people.
Rockets are not home-made, idiot.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Yes they do – and so do conventional bombs. And rockets can easily be home-made. I send some up with my son every year in cub-scouts.

kong1967
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kong1967

Yes, I know they make home-made bombs that blow up busses full of people. That’s what I meant. But Paul was making it sound as if the bombs they were making were ineffective and nothing to worry about. The bus comment was to dispute that.

I doubt the rockets used by Hamas bear any resemblace to the rockets made in cub scouts, sorry. Nice try, lol.

Anonymous
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I did not pick that up from his comment – and listening to it again – I still don’t simply because I understand his objective. His comment was reflecting that their capability to wage war on the scale that Israel is pathetic.
Killing busloads of citizens in my opinion is a reason for all out war and it wouldn’t stop until it was finished and not capable of being carried out again.
As far as rocketry is concerned – my point is that it is easily homemade and weaponized.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Yes artillery rockets can be fashioned at home, however what is being fired out of Gaza into Israel are Katyusha Rockets;
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/katyusha.htm

These weapons are of Russian (Soviet) origin, supplied generously across the Arab world and now manufactured by several Middle Eastern States, Iran,Egypt, and Syria just to name a few.

Sean Johnson
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Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul praised the Occupy Wall Street movement, comparing it to the Tea Party movement. “In many ways, I identify with both groups,” Well your half right Paul. You do identify with OWS because they are your supporters. The people voting for Paul are casting a vote for Obama.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

No he didn’t – geesh. He said that he agrees with some of their positions – especially on crony capitalism and the bank bailouts. That is it. There is common ground there and I agree with him. This is one of the biggest problems our country has (next to a fiat currency)

Paul has stated that he completely disagrees with them on enlarging the governments powers to correct these problems.

BS61
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BS61

It’s the anarchists, communists and socialist that we normal American’s disagree! OWS has killings, rapes, all kind of old diseases and does not respect the rule of law. How anyone, and that includes RP and Boehner could agree is beyond me!

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I’m still drawn to this video of Benjamin Netanyahu apparently saying that Israel does not need any help:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ljxQn5nm8A&feature=player_embedded

I have to wonder if it’s true that they don’t need any help. I suspect that they do have enough nukes to ensure that Israel is the only remaining country in a 1000 square mile sea of glass, but as I understand it, they are still buying arms from us.

Another item that tends to support the claim that Paul does not hate Israel is that he was one of the only members of Congress in 1981 to NOT vote in condemning Israel for destroying a nuclear reactor in Iraq.

Anonymous
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Israel has all the help she needs. Israel doesn’t NEED the United States but we should be on her side. We need to choose carefully.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Paul is either an anti-Semite or a raving lunatic. No other possibility.

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Those are not mutually exclusive outcomes.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

You’re right. I didn’t think of that.

hemultipliedus
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hemultipliedus

I prefer the thumbnail for any Ron Paul story to be the picture of him wearing a tin foil hat.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Paul is much too dangerous in terms of his foreign policy beliefs to be the GOP nominee. He would never be elected in the general and would assure another 4 years of Obama.

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Rumpelstiltskin in a villain of the deepest dye. A more dire, disgusting fiend you would be hard pressed to find. He is precisely the type of psychotic that the left paints the entirety of the Republican field as, and he is something they can hang around the GOP’s collective neck. The ravenous curs that support him, in spite of everything he’s said and done, are just as bad, and are a negative picture of Republicans (which they are not). His racism and bigotry are indefensible and inexcusable, and the people of his state should be thoroughly ashamed for putting political power in the hands of this vicious, frothing, wild-eyed lunatic that is quite obviously suffering from a massive psychotic break. This pathetic excuse for a man not only advocates the murder of blacks (seeing as to how they’re all rampaging criminals on welfare): http://italkyoubored.wordpress.com/2011/12/21/the-ron-paul-newsletter-story-that-i-found-the-most-disturbing-blast-em/ …but has the damned nerve to… Read more »

kong1967
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kong1967

“political party that masquerades as a religion, and boasts that they’ll murder everyone in the world on their way toward global domination, that does not bow down to them”.

Perfect description.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Please watch this and then tell me if you think Ron Paul is a racist:

http://www.revolutionpac.com/2011/12/the-compassion-of-dr-ron-paul/

It is only two minutes long. You can do it.

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Please read this, and tell me if you think Rumpelstiltskin is racist. I know you can do it. Even some paulnuts can read. http://www.tnr.com/article/politics/98883/ron-paul-incendiary-newsletters-exclusive However, if you’re unable, then just sit back and watch & listen to the leftist: http://www.buzzfeed.com/pajaroentertainmentltd/rachel-maddow-on-ron-paul-guide-for-shooting-black-31ii However, in case you can read, have fun reading more of Rumpelstiltskin’s writings, and I’ll let you go back to Stormfront, with more recent writings. “You’ve probably already heard about the newest threat to your life and limb, and your family: carjacking. It is the hip-hop thing to do among the urban youth who play unsuspecting whites like pianos. … In the old days, average people could avoid such youth by staying out of bad neighborhoods. Empowered by media, police and political complicity, however, the youth now roam everywhere looking for cars to steal and people to rob. What can you do? More and more Americans are carrying a gun… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Ron Paul did not write that. Unfortunately, I believe he did profit from the publication of that garbage, and for that I am disappointed. I hope someone asks Walter E. Williams about them today (he is guest hosting for Rush and he endorsed Ron Paul in 2008, knowing about the newsletters).

What did you think about the short video I linked to?

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

You have a chip on your shoulder-it comes through when you post!

Anonymous
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Anonymous

I’ve listened to this about four times now – and I’ve come to the conclusion that you are projecting. Hear me out: Again – for me personally – I support Israel 100% – I personally want Israel to have all of their land and not have to worry about our government telling Israel where and when they can build settlements – etc. I feel we have been constraining Israel too long. With that said – and with me fully understanding Paul’s “world view” – he IS NOT saying – “I’m against Israel.” 1. He is against Israel using our weapons and our money to do what they are doing. 2. He is against innocent people being killed – across the board. 3. If you listen to the very end – he indicates that his personal leanings are with Israel – but politically – he wants to meet his goal of… Read more »

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Your sophistry is BS, and I’ll break it down to its simplest essence that maybe even a paulnut could understand (though I know you won’t): When you say you support someone, but want to remove all physical and fiscal manifestations of that support; whey you say you are someone’s ally, but publicly state that you will not stand by their side in time of trouble, because its too much trouble for you, the reasons for that are clear. It means you do not support them, and you are no ally. Paulnuts parse words to absolute BS, just like Rumpelstiltskin why said he would cut defense spending, but not touch the military. Only the most asinine people would think that statement makes any sense, and the most disingenuous, dishonest double-talker would expect people to be stupid enough to see any sense in that. As for your wanting information on something: go… Read more »

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There is no sophistry or parsing anywhere in my post. Your response is laced with prejudice and name calling. Please come back when your ready to discuss the issues like a big boy.
I have searched his voting record – and like I said – he’s clean. Everything he does in FP is based upon the premise of removing us from entangling alliances. It has been and always will be one of his main objectives – there’s no posturing.
From what I have read – the only vote that he did make that was unconstitutional was voting to make MLK day a national holiday.

Chris Taramelli
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Chris Taramelli

You truly are very well educated.

Chris Taramelli
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Chris Taramelli

Screw my normal political talk… “because i know you won’t understand it”
YOU are an ASSHOLE.
Case closed. RP supporters believe in all basic American things. Our rights, our constitution and the D.O.I.
Educate yourself.

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Paulnuts believe in supporting a man that’s been caught in the spotlight with his pants down and revealed as the scum of the earth. Paulnuts believe, apparently, in many of the same things that their brethren in the Nazi party branch, Stormfront, believe, as well as share beliefs with the Ku Klux Klan, hence the mutual love and support of a guy seems like he should be locked in a padded cell and under heavy sedation.

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Chris Taramelli wrote, in response to VirusX:
Screw my normal political talk… “because i know you won’t understand it” YOU are an ASSHOLE.
Case closed. RP supporters believe in all basic American things. Our rights, our constitution and the D.O.I. Educate yourself.
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Anonymous
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Anonymous

Especially the RIGHT to HATE JEWS! Kiss my ass moron.

nuffsaid
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nuffsaid

I agree with you. I don’t think Ron Paul is against Israel. For Paul, if Israel would just capitulate to Arab demands for territory and sovereignty and simply join the Middle East community as a “cousin,” Ron Paul can declare, “Peace in our time,” wash his hands and go back to dismantling the military. What a strategy!

Having Israel out of the headlines should give RP a lot of free time.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

The man is a moron, a bit and an obvious JEW HATER. What else do you need to know…

rpercifield
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rpercifield

Point By Point 1. “He is against Israel using our weapons and our money to do what they are doing.” Let’s see, the Arabs have been at war with Israel since 1948 with the intent of wiping them off the face of the planet. This statement is like giving a woman a gun, and telling her she cannot use it to stop the rapist/killer having his way with her. Sorry, not going to happen in the real world. 2. “He is against innocent people being killed – across the board.” Is Israel perfect? No, but they are not the aggressor Hamas, PLO, Arab League, and many other groups are. But nowhere in his ranting does he defend Israel’s right to defend themselves. The end result of Paul’s policy is peace, the peace of genocide. If he has his way, the end result will be no Jewish person left in the… Read more »

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Ok – thank you for taking the time to respond… I’ll go back through: Please bear with me… 1. “He is against Israel using our weapons and our money to do what they are doing.” Let’s see, the Arabs have been at war with Israel since 1948 with the intent of wiping them off the face of the planet. This statement is like giving a woman a gun, and telling her she cannot use it to stop the rapist/killer having his way with her. Sorry, not going to happen in the real world. Ok – specifically: Weapons or money that we “GAVE” Israel that in Ron Paul’s mind would give up our neutrality in the issue. 2. “He is against innocent people being killed – across the board.” Is Israel perfect? No, but they are not the aggressor Hamas, PLO, Arab League, and many other groups are. But nowhere in… Read more »

rpercifield
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rpercifield

I am a realist, they are called as I see them. My first argument still still stands. You do not give someone something to defend themselves, and then get mad when they do. This is life and death to these people, and Israel has given land for peace, and what happens? More Death. maybe if the people that surrounded them would agree to allow them to exist, that might help. But Paul doesn’t seem to get that. The second argument is not about the constitution. All monies and support in hardware were provided by Congress, well within the framework of the constitution. Americans are not fighting in Israel, and thus no war needs to be declared. This is a big problem with Paul, nothing in the constitution precludes Congress from helping another country. So what is the real motivation? You did not address my point in part 3. If someone… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Well put RP.

Anonymous
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1. I can’t explain it any better than I did and I’m just guessing that you don’t want to understand what I’m saying. Israel should have NEVER given up their land for peace. Totally asinine and part of a US policy (road map to peace) that was equally asinine. I don’t understand how you support our current US policy makers on this. In fact – I don’t understand any of our foreign policy. I’m watching Fox right now – and I just saw a report that we sold 30 billion dollars worth of weapons to Saudi Arabia – the people who took out our towers. 2. You are WAY OFF on this one. Everything that Congress is authorized to spend money on is itemized in Article 1 Section 8 – and that is it. There is NO Authority in the Constitution that allows for foreign Aid/Welfare. 3. I did answer… Read more »

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Sorry for my confrontational tone in my last response last night.
I am a little uncomfortable on the Israel thing – but I haven’t given up on Paul yet.
On this topic – I responded to AmericanBornIC a little bit down the page here that you might want to take a look at.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

It’s the first step to the cure. Once you realize you’re ill, you have hope. Paul is a JEW HATER. If that’s okay by you then well where does that place you?

Anonymous
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It’s bomb throwers like you that ruin everything for everyone.

Anonymous
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Spoken like a true moron. Bomb throwing is telling the truth now?!

Anonymous
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Anonymous

As you can see – we are having a valid discussion here. Sit on the side and eat your cotton candy.

rpercifield
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rpercifield

aPaulogist, No apology is necessary, you are defending your position passionately, and I respect that. We have different perspectives though, and those conflicting perspectives are most of the problem here. I was attending college in Oklahoma when the Iranian revolution was in progress (I know that dates me pretty well). I saw first hand what their perspective is and what they will to do bring about the change they seek. What you and I believe does not concerned me. However, what they believe is very important. When I mention Armageddon, it is from their viewpoint not mine. They see themselves as the true followers of Allah. They have no care for infidels or Jews, and if we happen to be in the way, and are destroyed, it is Allah’s will. The 12th Imam is their path to power and their god. The really bad part is that not all Shiite’s… Read more »

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It is my opinion that Obama gave Egypt and Libya to the Muslim Brotherhood for the purpose of building the caliphate to attack Israel. Israel will be attacked at some point, it is just a matter of time. Followers of Islam raise their children to hate Israel and Jews to death and it is that mindset that eclipses their sensibilities.

Anyone who has spent time as a representative in Washington should be able to understand that. If they don’t they don’t belong there or anywhere near the White House.

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Amen – I agree WITH EVERYTHING you are saying. However – Obama is just part of the problem.. Bush was pushing all this stuff over there too and every year – we keep building up their enemies more and more. It’s insane. (Mind reference to Bush kissing and holding the Saudi prince hand as they walk.)
You are right – Israel will be attacked once the enemies feel like they are strong enough to destroy them.

American Duckie
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1. He is against Israel using our weapons and our money to do what they are doing. What are they doing besides defending themselves? 2. He is against innocent people being killed – across the board. If you know Israel, you know that because they KNOW Hamas and other islamic terrorist groups use civilian areas to launch rockets from, Israel flies over the areas and drops pamphlets to WARN the people that there is going to be return fire from the Israelis. Who else does that?! 3. If you listen to the very end – he indicates that his personal leanings are with Israel – but politically – he wants to meet his goal of being neutral in foreign affairs. See my first comment- if Paul wants to remain neutral in foreign affairs, he has no business wanting to be president. Remaining neutral in this case is allowing over 2… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Well said Duck. I see you calmed down. smile

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Thanks Toon wink I’m a manic duck don’t ya know. Up and down, sideways… but yeah, I don’t have so much blood shooting out of my eyeballs now. Glad I always have some DUCK tape in the house.

Anonymous
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OH, DUCK tape, I get it, ha ha. Excellent comments though.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Thank you for your thoughtful response. I believe I’ve addressed them all in my response to Percevil. Would you mind looking at that please?

American Duckie
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American Duckie

I did. And I thank you for being polite. I do agree more with RPercifield though- but I appreciate your openess to dialogue with us without resorting to cussing or name calling. God Bless aPaulogist.

Anonymous
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Thank you – I don’t feel like it’s an us vs. me on this board. (It’s funny I use the word board as in BBS. I feel ancient.) All of us are in this together – and we need to exchange information and ideas without anger.

To be forthcoming – I like Paul so much because he has most of the answers I know our country needs – but I’m a little uncomfortable with the Israel thing and so I’m exploring every avenue to give him the benefit of the doubt.

On the other hand – I’m also judging his positions by the context of what is going on today – and I do not understand our current FP. It all seems so counter Israel.

And then I see this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=soHAOVZzXtA

– this morning and I ask myself – why are they pressing so hard? Something is very amiss.

MontyRay
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MontyRay

The first duty of the President is Commander in Chief. He doesn’t have his head on straight for that. Case closed.

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

We do it all the time in Africa-ever wonder why?

Benjamin Martin
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Benjamin Martin

You wanna hear some great stuff listen to Michael Savages show from 12/28/11. He completely dismantles Paul for almost the entire 3 hours!!!

I lost track at how many times he calls Paul a lunatic but more importantly citing he IS a liberal!

Sean Johnson
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Sean Johnson

Thank you. Paul is a plant by Soros to get Obama re-elected. All of Pauls money comes from Soros and various Nazi/KKK groups.

Chris Taramelli
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Chris Taramelli

…I’m going to let that one slide by just assuming you were high when you wrote it. Educate yourself.

Tammy P
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Tammy P

I’m getting a kick out of the desperation that you are displaying. Type type send. Not gonna work. If Dr Paul is so fabulous you shouldn’t have to be doing this. Isn’t Glee on?

CBDenver
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CBDenver

It puzzles me why anyone could view the situation in the Middle East and think the Israelis are to blame. The only logical conclusion is an underlying anti-Semitism that see the “evil Zionist Jews” as the cause of all the world’s problems.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Ron Paul is not presidential material…too way out there for most folks…anti-semitism offends me and Hamas is a terrorist group.

Chris Taramelli
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Chris Taramelli

but almost everything he says stands up along with what America was based off of and should be. He needs to be president. We need this change he would bring.

BS61
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BS61

No, yuo need to read some more history and not take RP word. Thomas Jefferson started the US Navy for a war against Muslim pirates. If I’m not mistaken, TJ was a founding father!

Steven Valdez
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Steven Valdez

Santorum Nails Ron Paul To The Wall:
“He’s Out In The Dennis Kucinich Wing of The Democratic Party”…

Santorum also went after Paul on his foreign policy stances, calling him “far to the left of President Obama.”

“I mean he’s out in the Dennis Kucinich wing of the Democratic Party. Don’t laugh!” Santorum said to the crowd as they began to chuckle, and they immediately got quiet. “That’s where he is. He may be left of Dennis Kucinich, okay? So that’s where he is. This country is not going to elect Dennis Kucinich to be President of the United States. I don’t care how much government he wants to cut.

http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/29/santorum-nails-ron-paul-to-the-wall-hes-out-in-the-dennis-kucinich-wing-of-the-democratic-party/

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