Support for impeachment JUMPS in new poll…. but STILL a SMALL minority, sorry Dems!

Here’s the dirty little secret explaining why far left progressive liberals are tearing their hair out in abject frustration at the establishment dems who are pumping the breaks on impeachment.

Check out this headline that makes it sound like tons and tons of Americans support impeachment:



BUT when you take a look at the numbers, which nobody does because everyone just reacts to headlines, it’s just 27% of Americans, which is…. not a lot.

From the Hill:

Support for impeachment hearings for President Trump has increased to more than one-quarter of Americans, according to a new poll.

The NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll released Sunday found that 27 percent of Americans believe there is enough evidence to begin impeachment hearings for President Trump now, up 10 percentage points from last month.

Er, 27 percent? DO you think that means it’ll help Democrats if they rush to impeach or hurt them? That’s exactly why Pelosi keeps *hinting* at impeachment but doesn’t actually begin it. The Mueller report was a bust because Democrats kept implying it would absolutely take down Trump. Now they’ve been caught in a trap of their own making.

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128 thoughts on “Support for impeachment JUMPS in new poll…. but STILL a SMALL minority, sorry Dems!

  1. I know I said I believed Trump when he said his poll numbers were better than the media is saying… but they are pushing the numbers out and lies can become truth… so it almost doesn’t matter what the real truth is right now, it matters who wins the narrative.

    And somehow they seem to be winning the Russia stupid thing. I saw a poll that more Americans think Trump actually did collude even after he was cleared… I hate Democrats… I’ll repent later, I just hate the media and Democrats because they control the media… truth hasn’t got a snowball’s chance with a corrupt media.

    1. @cookiebob When someone habitually lies about a lot of things, it makes it much more difficult to defend them, even in an instance where you know they’re not.

    2. @cookiebob When someone habitually lies about a lot of things, it makes it much more difficult to defend them, even in an instance where you know they’re not.

    1. @alabamamom I recently reread 1984. The only thing Orwell got wrong was the date. (As I type on my phone with a camera pointed at me.)

      1. @Doc S The man nailed it. We have gotten so far from our founding principles, I don’t think there is anyway we can go back, unless there is another revolution. This country has to wake up or we are toast.

        1. @alabamamom Agreed. But as I’ve said, I don’t think that people will wake up until they get hit in the wallet and then it will be too late.

  2. I hear that OJ is taking a stab at Twitter. Should be a killer account.

    He also stated that he is not Cloe Kardashian’s father. Whew, what a relief! I was more concerned than you could imagine.

  3. [Copy Pasta]
    ONE MAN’S OPINION – The writer has a degree in Political Science, and is a card-carrying Libertarian.

    I’ve been studying politics and political history for the past 30 years. My specialty is U.S. Presidents.

    That said, I hope that the House of Representatives impeaches Trump.

    Let me tell you what will happen next.

    1. The House can pass articles of impeachment over the objections of the Republicans, and refer to the Senate for trial.

    2. The Senate will conduct a trial. There will be a vote, and the Republicans will vote unanimously, along

    with a small number of Democrats, to not convict the President. Legally, it will all be over at that point.

    3. However, during the trial, and this is what no one is thinking about right now, the President’s attorneys

    will have the right to subpoena and question ANYONE THAT THEY WANT.. That is different than the special

    counsel investigation, which was very one-sided. So, during the impeachment trial, we will be hearing

    testimony from James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Donna Brazille, Eric Holder,

    Loretta Lynch, Christopher Steele, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Clapper, and a whole host of other

    participants in this whole sordid affair and the ensuing coverup activities.

    A lot of dirt will be dug up; a lot of truth will be unveiled. Finger pointing will occur. Deals will start being made,

    and suddenly, a lot of Democrats will start being charged and going to prison. All this, because, remember,

    the President’s team will now, for the first time, have the RIGHT to question all of these people under oath –

    and they will turn on each other. That’s already starting.

    4. Lastly, one more thing will happen – the Senate will not convict the President. Nothing will happen to

    Trump. Most Americans are clueless about political processes, the law, and the Constitution. Most Americans

    believe that being impeached results in removal from office. They don’t understand that phase 2 is a trial in

    and by the Senate, where he has zero chance of conviction. Remember, the Senate is controlled by Republicans;

    they will determine what testimony is allowed — and **everything** will be allowed, including: DNC collusion

    with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover up

    and destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information. They’ll incriminate each other for

    lying to the FISA court, for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign, and for colluding with foreign political

    actors, especially George Soros.

    After the Senate declines to convict the President, we will have an election, and Trump will win. It will be a

    backlash against democrat petulance, temper tantrums, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Even minorities will vote

    for Trump, because, for the first time, they will see that democrats have spent 2+ years focused on maintaining

    their own power, and not doing anything at all about black murders in Chicago, homelessness, opioids, and

    other important issues that are actually killing people.

    And, we will spend the following four years listening to politicians and pundits claim that the whole

    impeachment was rigged somehow.

    1. Democrats just use the threat of impeachment to rile their base up. It’s equivalent to political pillow talk, and Pelosi knows this. That’s why she’ll give her winks and nods toward impeachment, but wont actually do anything.

  4. “Opinion polls measure the public’s satisfaction with its own ignorance.”
    anonymous quote

  5. Cincinnati will be flying the rainbow, LGBWTF flag at city hall on Friday. Maybe they should spell it Sinsinatti.

    1. *sigh*

      You know, this would make sense if that flag represented an actual nation state and that nation state was visiting the city but it does not. It represents people who engage in a certain sexual behaviors from all walks of life.

      Would the Christian flag be allowed to fly over this city hall? Of course not! Why? Because some in the population would be offended by it, saying that it does not represent many in the city and that many simply find the Christian faith offensive. That’s the same thing with this flag. It does not represent everyone in the city, many find it offensive and it should not be given prominence like that.

      These city leaders would be quick to shoot down the suggestion of flying the Christian flag (for fear of offending someone) but they bend over willingly (pun intended) for this flag which many find offensive?!

      Ugh! I’m getting sick of this hypocrisy!

        1. Yep, @dr-strangelove , to their own demise. Think our future Islamic overlords will be so tolerant? :question:

  6. it’s just 27% of Americans, which is…. not a lot.

    I don’t know. 1/4 of the country? So, basically – half of the Hillary voters, and probably the Kristolites.

    Admittedly, I’m on the fence about impeachment. I think it would be really really bad for this country, and drive that final wedge between the right and left (both of which, ironically, now seem to be embracing progressivism). But I still can’t get over that abuse of the NEA. Not OK Donald.

    Worthy of impeachment? Maybe. Worth it to the country? Maybe not.

    1. Then tell me why are the dumbocrat rallies housing maybe 75 people where the Trump rally in Orlando people are already lining up and tomorrow is the rally, plus I heard there expecting 100,000???

  7. I know I said I believed Trump when he said his poll numbers were better than the media is saying… but they are pushing the numbers out and lies can become truth… so it almost doesn’t matter what the real truth is right now, it matters who wins the narrative.

    And somehow they seem to be winning the Russia stupid thing. I saw a poll that more Americans think Trump actually did collude even after he was cleared… I hate Democrats… I’ll repent later, I just hate the media and Democrats because they control the media… truth hasn’t got a snowball’s chance with a corrupt media.

    1. @cookiebob When someone habitually lies about a lot of things, it makes it much more difficult to defend them, even in an instance where you know they’re not.

  8. [Copy Pasta]
    ONE MAN’S OPINION – The writer has a degree in Political Science, and is a card-carrying Libertarian.

    I’ve been studying politics and political history for the past 30 years. My specialty is U.S. Presidents.

    That said, I hope that the House of Representatives impeaches Trump.

    Let me tell you what will happen next.

    1. The House can pass articles of impeachment over the objections of the Republicans, and refer to the Senate for trial.

    2. The Senate will conduct a trial. There will be a vote, and the Republicans will vote unanimously, along

    with a small number of Democrats, to not convict the President. Legally, it will all be over at that point.

    3. However, during the trial, and this is what no one is thinking about right now, the President’s attorneys

    will have the right to subpoena and question ANYONE THAT THEY WANT.. That is different than the special

    counsel investigation, which was very one-sided. So, during the impeachment trial, we will be hearing

    testimony from James Comey, Peter Strzok, Lisa Page, Bruce Ohr, Glenn Simpson, Donna Brazille, Eric Holder,

    Loretta Lynch, Christopher Steele, Hillary Clinton, John Brennan, James Clapper, and a whole host of other

    participants in this whole sordid affair and the ensuing coverup activities.

    A lot of dirt will be dug up; a lot of truth will be unveiled. Finger pointing will occur. Deals will start being made,

    and suddenly, a lot of Democrats will start being charged and going to prison. All this, because, remember,

    the President’s team will now, for the first time, have the RIGHT to question all of these people under oath –

    and they will turn on each other. That’s already starting.

    4. Lastly, one more thing will happen – the Senate will not convict the President. Nothing will happen to

    Trump. Most Americans are clueless about political processes, the law, and the Constitution. Most Americans

    believe that being impeached results in removal from office. They don’t understand that phase 2 is a trial in

    and by the Senate, where he has zero chance of conviction. Remember, the Senate is controlled by Republicans;

    they will determine what testimony is allowed — and **everything** will be allowed, including: DNC collusion

    with the Clinton campaign to fix the election in favor of Hillary, the creation of the Trump dossier, the cover up

    and destruction of emails that very likely included incriminating information. They’ll incriminate each other for

    lying to the FISA court, for spying and wiretapping the Trump campaign, and for colluding with foreign political

    actors, especially George Soros.

    After the Senate declines to convict the President, we will have an election, and Trump will win. It will be a

    backlash against democrat petulance, temper tantrums, hypocrisy and dishonesty. Even minorities will vote

    for Trump, because, for the first time, they will see that democrats have spent 2+ years focused on maintaining

    their own power, and not doing anything at all about black murders in Chicago, homelessness, opioids, and

    other important issues that are actually killing people.

    And, we will spend the following four years listening to politicians and pundits claim that the whole

    impeachment was rigged somehow.

    1. That’s an interesting argument, and for the record I like your scenario, but it relies on a great many predictions that could just as easily go the other way.

    2. Democrats just use the threat of impeachment to rile their base up. It’s equivalent to political pillow talk, and Pelosi knows this. That’s why she’ll give her winks and nods toward impeachment, but wont actually do anything.

  9. it’s just 27% of Americans, which is…. not a lot.

    I don’t know. 1/4 of the country? So, basically – half of the Hillary voters, and probably the Kristolites.

    Admittedly, I’m on the fence about impeachment. I think it would be really really bad for this country, and drive that final wedge between the right and left (both of which, ironically, now seem to be embracing progressivism). But I still can’t get over that abuse of the NEA. Not OK Donald.

    Worthy of impeachment? Maybe. Worth it to the country? Maybe not.

    1. Then tell me why are the dumbocrat rallies housing maybe 75 people where the Trump rally in Orlando people are already lining up and tomorrow is the rally, plus I heard there expecting 100,000???

    1. @alabamamom I recently reread 1984. The only thing Orwell got wrong was the date. (As I type on my phone with a camera pointed at me.)

      1. @Doc S The man nailed it. We have gotten so far from our founding principles, I don’t think there is anyway we can go back, unless there is another revolution. This country has to wake up or we are toast.

        1. @alabamamom Agreed. But as I’ve said, I don’t think that people will wake up until they get hit in the wallet and then it will be too late.

              1. @laphil It’s called the Convention of States. This is the website https://conventionofstates.com/ I believe it was mentioned by the very smart man, Mark Levin. My state was one of the first states to get legislation through. This is the last peaceful way of doing things, or it will turn into Anarchy as @pybop pointed out.

  10. They may have established that Trump didn’t collude, but he’s guilty of defending his innocence

  11. All of this rain we’ve been having doesn’t bother me, but I am a little concerned about the webbing between my fingers and toes.

        1. Many of the farms around here have not been planted, when I do my route, I see a few tractors still buried up too the frames in the gumbo.

          1. @john-henry Whereabouts are you located? Some places, like the confluence of the Rock and Mississippi, are so bad that they’re not even planting.

              1. @john-henry Haven’t been up that way in a while. I’m on the Mississippi just north of the Quad Cities and it’s been pretty bad. Really bad in southern Indiana, I-65 was actually flooded yesterday.

                1. @dr we have a warehouse close to the Erie canal in Ohio, the flooding is into our parking lot, the truck docks are flooded.

                2. That’s rather unusual. I live near the Hennepin and I & M canals and I’ve never seen them flooded. Once I rode the I & M and the Illinois River was almost overflowing into the canal, but the canal itself was at a normal level. Bit of trivia, the Hennepin was the first to use concrete successfully and the Panama canal was modeled after it.

  12. I hear that OJ is taking a stab at Twitter. Should be a killer account.

    He also stated that he is not Cloe Kardashian’s father. Whew, what a relief! I was more concerned than you could imagine.

  13. “Opinion polls measure the public’s satisfaction with its own ignorance.”
    anonymous quote

  14. Cincinnati will be flying the rainbow, LGBWTF flag at city hall on Friday. Maybe they should spell it Sinsinatti.

    1. *sigh*

      You know, this would make sense if that flag represented an actual nation state and that nation state was visiting the city but it does not. It represents people who engage in a certain sexual behaviors from all walks of life.

      Would the Christian flag be allowed to fly over this city hall? Of course not! Why? Because some in the population would be offended by it, saying that it does not represent many in the city and that many simply find the Christian faith offensive. That’s the same thing with this flag. It does not represent everyone in the city, many find it offensive and it should not be given prominence like that.

      These city leaders would be quick to shoot down the suggestion of flying the Christian flag (for fear of offending someone) but they bend over willingly (pun intended) for this flag which many find offensive?!

      Ugh! I’m getting sick of this hypocrisy!

        1. Yep, @dr-strangelove , to their own demise. Think our future Islamic overlords will be so tolerant? :question:

          1. @solely2post Funny you should say that, I believe that they will be the one world church-goverment in the end times.

            1. @dr-strangelove

              Funny you should say that, I believe that they will be the one world church-goverment in the end times.

              A distinct and frightening possibility. I came to the conclusion several years ago that Islam is Satan’s final weapon against Christianity and Judaism.

  15. Yesterday on the radio, I heard Johnny Cash singing A Boy Named Sue. What a great song about a father-son relationship!

  16. They may have established that Trump didn’t collude, but he’s guilty of defending his innocence

  17. The poll doesn’t matter anyway. We can’t impeach based on popular vote. If we did, libs would try to use it to wipe out every election they lose. It reminds me of that state that held a recall vote shortly after Democrats lost.

    1. @Kong Wisconsin, you mean? I can’t remember the governor’s name offhand, but I believe that they tried to recall him twice. Walker, that was it.

      1. @dr-strangelove Yep, that would be it. It’s coming to me clearly now but was escaping me before.

  18. All of this rain we’ve been having doesn’t bother me, but I am a little concerned about the webbing between my fingers and toes.

        1. Many of the farms around here have not been planted, when I do my route, I see a few tractors still buried up too the frames in the gumbo.

  19. Ten points in one month is a pretty big jump.

    No, I don’t support impeachment, but numbers are numbers.

          1. Forgive me in advance if I’m completely misreading you, but if that’s an invitation to start going off on or about him, I’m afraid I must respectfully decline.

      1. 311 of which are declared democratic primary voters.

        and there’s this…
        “A significant number of Americans, 24 percent, still believe that Congress should continue to investigate whether there is enough evidence to hold impeachment hearings in the future, which is down 8 points from last month.”
        (Down 8 points from last month)

  20. Yesterday on the radio, I heard Johnny Cash singing A Boy Named Sue. What a great song about a father-son relationship!

  21. The poll doesn’t matter anyway. We can’t impeach based on popular vote. If we did, libs would try to use it to wipe out every election they lose. It reminds me of that state that held a recall vote shortly after Democrats lost.

    1. @Kong Wisconsin, you mean? I can’t remember the governor’s name offhand, but I believe that they tried to recall him twice. Walker, that was it.

      1. @dr-strangelove Yep, that would be it. It’s coming to me clearly now but was escaping me before.

  22. Polls, Polls, Polls & media driving the narrative all the day long. I guess nobody learned a lesson about this the last election….NO president shrillery. 😯 I guess Americans want crazy left liberalism, social justice nonsense & socialism? I pray not.

    So the dems lied and plotted to overthrow an elected president and TRUMP should be impeached ???? Idiots

  23. Open Thread and Fathers Day.
    I heard from both my son and daughter wishing me a happy fathers day. The day didn’t seem about me, but a reflection on them and what part I took in raising them.
    This was some sage advice I got when my son was born and I’m glad I listened. 1) Be their father not their friend. Be tough but fair. 2) Spend as much time as you can with them. Kids value a parents time far more than money spent buying them stuff. 3) Tell them you love them often and show it in your actions. Happy Fathers Day to all you dads out there.

    1. Ha! My younger son (11) told me today that he’d be a millionaire if he had a penny for every time I tell him I love him. He said I tell him too often, and it’s annoying. I told him I love him at bedtime – now he’s a billionaire. 💡

  24. If Trump does not get re-elected in 2020, this country deserves what it gets.

    The economy will crash, countries will rip us off again, illegals will be emboldened, ISIS emboldened, the Rustbelt will once again lose their factories, Coal Miners are finished, 2nd amendment finished, etc.

    You will not recognize this country ever again.

    1. @central-valley If the economy crashes before the election, he won’t be reelected. Remember Carter’s Community Reinvestment Act that blew up in ’08 under Bush’s watch?

  25. BUT when you take a look at the numbers, which nobody does because everyone just reacts to headlines, it’s just 27% of Americans, which is…. not a lot.

    And that’s of a sample size of only 1,000 adults, with almost all growth for impeachment coming from Democrats (big surprise). This poll doesn’t really mean anything though. There’s no way they can accurately gauge American opinion with such a small sampling size.

  26. Ten points in one month is a pretty big jump.

    No, I don’t support impeachment, but numbers are numbers.

      1. 311 of which are declared democratic primary voters.

        and there’s this…
        “A significant number of Americans, 24 percent, still believe that Congress should continue to investigate whether there is enough evidence to hold impeachment hearings in the future, which is down 8 points from last month.”
        (Down 8 points from last month)

  27. Other tidbits from the poll: Trump approval 44%, Trump strong disapproval 44%. 52% also said they feel “very uncomfortable” with Trump.

    In contrast, 29% strongly approved of his performance and 23% were “enthusiastic” about Trump. That suggests a relatively narrow but passionate core base.

    1. @don-sutherland A larger sample might give radically different results. Although I do think that there is a huge split between those who passionately love-hate him. Many folks seem to be unable to look at the presidency in an objective manner.

      1. Increasing the sample size would very likely only have a modest impact on the overall results. The margin of error for all 1,000 respondents was 3.1%. That means that there is a 95% (most polls use a 95% confidence interval) probability that the actual error was within 3.1%. For subset of 825 registered voters, it was 3.41%. For the even smaller subset of 311 Democratic voters, it was 5.56%. More significant differences could be yielded from changes to the sample design e.g., composition of Republican, Democratic, and Independent voters.

  28. Polls, Polls, Polls & media driving the narrative all the day long. I guess nobody learned a lesson about this the last election….NO president shrillery. 😯 I guess Americans want crazy left liberalism, social justice nonsense & socialism? I pray not.

    So the dems lied and plotted to overthrow an elected president and TRUMP should be impeached ???? Idiots

  29. Open Thread and Fathers Day.
    I heard from both my son and daughter wishing me a happy fathers day. The day didn’t seem about me, but a reflection on them and what part I took in raising them.
    This was some sage advice I got when my son was born and I’m glad I listened. 1) Be their father not their friend. Be tough but fair. 2) Spend as much time as you can with them. Kids value a parents time far more than money spent buying them stuff. 3) Tell them you love them often and show it in your actions. Happy Fathers Day to all you dads out there.

    1. Ha! My younger son (11) told me today that he’d be a millionaire if he had a penny for every time I tell him I love him. He said I tell him too often, and it’s annoying. I told him I love him at bedtime – now he’s a billionaire. 💡

  30. If Trump does not get re-elected in 2020, this country deserves what it gets.

    The economy will crash, countries will rip us off again, illegals will be emboldened, ISIS emboldened, the Rustbelt will once again lose their factories, Coal Miners are finished, 2nd amendment finished, etc.

    You will not recognize this country ever again.

    1. @central-valley If the economy crashes before the election, he won’t be reelected. Remember Carter’s Community Reinvestment Act that blew up in ’08 under Bush’s watch?

  31. BUT when you take a look at the numbers, which nobody does because everyone just reacts to headlines, it’s just 27% of Americans, which is…. not a lot.

    And that’s of a sample size of only 1,000 adults, with almost all growth for impeachment coming from Democrats (big surprise). This poll doesn’t really mean anything though. There’s no way they can accurately gauge American opinion with such a small sampling size.

  32. Other tidbits from the poll: Trump approval 44%, Trump strong disapproval 44%. 52% also said they feel “very uncomfortable” with Trump.

    In contrast, 29% strongly approved of his performance and 23% were “enthusiastic” about Trump. That suggests a relatively narrow but passionate core base.

    1. @don-sutherland A larger sample might give radically different results. Although I do think that there is a huge split between those who passionately love-hate him. Many folks seem to be unable to look at the presidency in an objective manner.

      1. Increasing the sample size would very likely only have a modest impact on the overall results. The margin of error for all 1,000 respondents was 3.1%. That means that there is a 95% (most polls use a 95% confidence interval) probability that the actual error was within 3.1%. For subset of 825 registered voters, it was 3.41%. For the even smaller subset of 311 Democratic voters, it was 5.56%. More significant differences could be yielded from changes to the sample design e.g., composition of Republican, Democratic, and Independent voters.

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