MASSACRE: 80 KILLED – UPDATED Terror in Norway: Huge blast rocks downtown Oslo; gunman opens fire at youth camp in Utoya

***Suspect Photo Below***

***UPDATE: Massacre: At least 80 killed at Youth Camp***

***UPDATE: Massacre in Utøya?***

***UPDATE: Alleged Claim?***

The details are very sketchy at this point, but it appears that Oslo is in the midst of a terrorist attack. There was a huge explosion in the heart of downtown, and now there is another report that a gunman dressed as a policeman has opened fire on a children’s summer camp in Utoya.

Here is the report from Fox News:

OSLO, Norway – DEVELOPING: A powerful bomb tore into the heart of Norway on Friday, killing at least two people and injuring 15 as it ripped open buildings including the prime minister’s office. It was the deadliest bombing ever in Oslo, normally associated with the Nobel Peace Prize that is awarded there.

Sky News reports that a man dressed as a policeman and armed with a handgun has attacked a summer camp for children on a nearby island.

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was working at home Friday and was unharmed, according to senior adviser Oivind Ostang.

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The blast comes as Norway grapples with a homegrown terror plot linked to al-Qaida. Two suspects are in jail awaiting charges.

Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country. The indictment centered on statements that Mullah Krekar — the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam — made to various news media, including American network NBC.

Terrorism has also been a concern in neighboring Denmark since an uproar over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad six years ago. Danish authorities say they have foiled several terror plots linked to the 2005 newspaper cartoons that triggered protests in Muslim countries. Last month, a Danish appeals court on Wednesday sentenced a Somali man to 10 years in prison for breaking into the home of the cartoonist.

Read the full story here.

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UPDATE (TRS): This is a rough translation of the alleged claim for the Oslo Attacks from Google Translate. First here’s the description via the author:

This was posted by Abu Sulayman al-Nasir to the Arabic jihadi forum, Shmukh, around 10:30am EST (thread 118187). Shmukh is the main forum for Arabic-speaking jihadis who support al-Qaeda.

And here is the translation (pretty sure when it says God it means Allah):

Praise be to God Nasser slaves combined and humiliating the people of shirk and kufr companions, prayer and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets, his family and companions and after

The Almighty said: (then fight for God but do not cost yourself and rouse the believers may be that Allah keeps those who disbelieve and Allah is more powerful and in punishment) [women: 84]

Here have reached the countries of Europe is another message from the militants and further proof of the countries of Europe that the Mujahideen will not stand idly towards their war against Islam and Muslims.

Today has been targeting Norway to be a lesson and a lesson to the rest of Europe has already threatened us since the invasion of Stockholm more operations has asked European countries to withdraw their armies from the land of Afghanistan and stop its war against Islam and Muslims, and we repeat our warning again to the countries of Europe and tell them carried out the demands of the mujahideen, what you see is only the beginning and the next more.

The reasons for the targeting of Norway there are many of the most important of their participation in the occupation of Afghanistan and the abuse of our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Praise God that enabled slaves to the combined .. and pray to God to save our brothers and our fighters everywhere.
Glory and praise God I bear witness that no god but You Astgrk and I repent to you.

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UPDATE (TRS): Very graphic photos of Oslo blast can be seen here.



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UPDATE (TRS): I’m hearing all over twitter that the attack on the children’s youth camp in Utøya is a massacre, maybe 30 dead. Keep in mind that these are unconfirmed reports. I’ll keep you updated as I hear more.

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UPDATE (TRS): The Telegraph is a great resource if you want to keep updated on what’s going on with both Oslo and Utoya. Here is their updated summary:

• Seven dead in bomb blast in Oslo
• Police says at least nine killed in youth camp shooting
• Gunman on island of Utoya ‘dressed as policeman’
• Prime Minister had been due to attend rally there but pulled out
• One man arrested, believed to be connected to both incidents

Click the link for up to the minute reports.

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UPDATE: Apparently the BBC has the latest updating coverage on what’s going on in Oslo and Utoya. Click here to watch.

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UPDATE (TRS): This update saddens me greatly. USA Today is reporting that at least 80 people were killed today in the Utoya Youth Camp:

Police say at least 80 people were killed in a shooting spree at the youth camp of Norway’s Labor Party. Police director Oystein Maeland told reporters early Saturday they had discovered many more victims after initially reporting the death toll at 10. Maeland couldn’t say how many people were injured in the shooting. Hundreds of youth were attending the summer camp organized by the youth wing of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg’s Labor Party on the island of Utoya. Police also say seven people were killed in an explosion in Oslo.

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UPDATE (TRS): From SkyNews:

A 32-year-old Norwegian suspect has been arrested after at least 87 people were killed in two attacks in Norway. …

The suspect being held in connection with both attacks has been named in Norwegian television reports as Anders Behring Breivik. Police are understood to have searched a flat in west Oslo where the man lived. An anonymous police official said the suspect was arrested in Utoya and appears to have acted alone in the attacks.

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I heard Bolton suggest a few minutes ago that it’s hard to believe that one man accomplished all of this, car bombing and 80 dead at the youth camp. So things may change as more facts unfold.


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So his 1500 page manifest is out, you can read it at WorldNetDaily. He says he is not a very religious person and that science should take precedence over the bible. He considers himself first and foremost a man of logic. His view of Christianity is very unorthodox. According to him you don’t even have to believe in God or Jesus to be a Christian. That you can be a Christian agnostic or a Christian atheist. Basically being a Christian can mean whatever you want it to be. It’s difficult to put a label on his ideology because he believes in so many different things. He’s a secularist and rationalist. He is a man of science and logic (Darwinism) yet considers himself a Christian (very much in name only). He also takes pride in his Nordic heritage (paganism) and has practiced meditation and rituals. In conclusion, he’s not the Christian… Read more »

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So his 1500 page manifest is out, you can read it at WorldNetDaily. He says he is not a very religious person and that science should take precedence over the bible. He considers himself first and foremost a man of logic. His view of Christianity is very unorthodox. According to him you don’t even have to believe in God or Jesus to be a Christian. That you can be a Christian agnostic or a Christian atheist. Basically being a Christian can mean whatever you want it to be. It’s difficult to put a label on his ideology because he believes in so many different things. He’s a secularist and rationalist. He is a man of science and logic (Darwinism) yet considers himself a Christian (very much in name only). He also takes pride in his Nordic heritage (paganism) and has practiced meditation and rituals. In conclusion, he’s not the Christian… Read more »

Anonymous
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His targets do not match his ideology. Be careful this does not turn out to be just another whack job, with his actions being used.

Anonymous
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OK Fellow Wacko’s – lets get our sierra together and go after all of the far right Christian fundamentlists that are responsible for this. Are you with me??

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Mexico eh? That explains an awful lot. Perhaps you need to do a bit more research on your facts, and go back to troll school and work on your technique.
Here’s a bit of help for your research, http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8655175/Oslo-explosion-live-coverage.html

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Can’t blame people for jumping to conclusions, Islamic terrorists certainly have a long rap sheet after all. Still it’s best to avoid knee jerk reactions until all the facts are in. As for this guy there’s still alot we don’t know. One thing is for sure, anyone who calls themselves a Christian and blows up people is NOT a Christian.

Virus-X
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Virus-X

Increasingly, I’m hearing the guy was a “Christian” fundamentalist. I’m not really seeing this, because:

1: False Christians that participate in acts of terrorism normally/habitually aren’t too shy about accepting responsibility for what they’ve done, and will proudly claim God told them to do it.

2: He’s made no known attempt to distance himself from the islamist claims. Christianity and Satan worship aren’t very compatible, and I have a hard time seeing a supposed Christian terrorist allowing agents of the Real, Great Satan (muslims) to take ‘credit’ for God’s work.

Its also quite possible the guy WAS someone calling himself a “Christian”, but converted to Satan worship, and the authorities in his country are unaware, or unwilling, to broadcast this for whatever reason, or reasons.

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VirusX
Why does it surprise you that he’s a Christian Fundy – most of the domestic terror attacks have come for that very group. Need to get Peter King to hold some hearings on the far right fringe

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Why don’t you list the terror attacks by those found responsible? This individual was an Ultra Nationalist, his manifesto was largely plagiarized from the Unabomber’s writings. He was rejected by Nationalist political organizations because they found him too radical. He is what is known as a “Lone Wolf”.
I’ll be waiting for that list, by the way Ruby Ridge and Waco were not domestic terror attacks, unless you consider the Federal Government, terrorists.

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So it’s interesting that this post has degenerated into a huge discussion about Islam considering that, at least as of right now, there is no evidence that Islam was involved.

I also find it interesting that people seem to dismiss the notion that this guy could be an ultra-nationalist (which is what appears to be the common consensus among the Norwegian authorities, at least as of right now), as if ultra-nationalism (which at least on the traditional left-right continuum belongs on the right side) hasn’t caused similar bloodshed in the past in our country and other countries.

Why don’t we all just wait until the facts are a bit clearer before leaping to conclusions?

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Considering the post on “Shmukh” (a known Jihadist site) following the attack, is it any wonder? When someone claims “credit” for something is it not a completely understandable conclusion to come to that those individuals just might have had something to do with it? Now that details have come forth that contradict that claim I think you will notice that the focus has shifted.

May Jon
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Mullah Krekar threatened Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from norway & crazy 6th century islamists up in arms about mohammad cartoons, yeah i see a link to the GOP and the TEA PARTY.

m_quick
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The BBC are reporting him to hold “extreme Christian and nationalist views”

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14262351

jay
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Didn’t Homeland security say white people are terrorists? Coincidence? If the wait at the airport is long now just imagine how much scrutiny whites will get in the future? Being cynical about the MSM i’ve to guess there will be implications the militias are back in the US and they have huge caches of arms. In the meanwhile only foxnews and conservative talk radio are taking about “fast and furious’. Wonder why? The 2nd amendment is going to get dragged into this mess and bills to curb law abiding citizen’s right to bear arms will be in jeopardy.

Jaynie59
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A lot of sites I’ve read so far this morning are making a big deal about this guy being “Nordic” looking. Blond and blue eyed. The fact that he targeted and killed children makes an Islam connection likely. Islam is not a race. The most dangerous Muslims are converts. The simple truth is that most Muslims in the world can’t read so they’ve never actually read the Koran. Converts, on the other hand, tend to be highly educated in Islamic texts and doctrine. They are also highly motivated and passionate. It goes without saying that this guy will be depicted in the media as “right wing” unless there is evidence he’s a Leftie loon in which case his motivation will be ignored and he’ll just be called insane. But people on the Right need to constantly remind people that Islam is not a race. But first they have to remember… Read more »

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Of course they want the shooter/bomber to be ‘nordic’ looking so they can get maximum wall to wall coverage without being called racists or islamaphobes. ‘if it bleeds it leads’ , ‘if it burns it earns’ a lot more if the act is done by a white perpetrator.

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If the perp is anti-muslim and anti immigrant then shoudn’t he have turned his rage and anger towards the immigrant and mooslim community? The motive and the result don’t jive. Either this guy is being framed or he’s a mooslim convert who wants to paint islam in a good light while painting christianity in bad.

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It’s funny how low the dirtbags at cnn will stoop to label the perpetrator who committed the massacre in oslo as anti-islam, right wing fundamentalist christian, they even threw in mason. The insinuation was he was a foxnews watching obama hating michael savage, rush limbaugh, glen beck, mark levin & sarah palin lovin tea partier. Soon as they said he is anti-islam, right wing fundamentalist christian I knew something didn’t smell right. They are so PC over there that the natives can’t espouse anti-islam or anti-immigrant sentiments. Him being christian is hilarious, since the only religion that is practiced vigorously in Scandinavia is radical islam. Not buying it. Some dummies will believe right wing in europe means the same in america. Even the oslo authorities are bending over backward to emphasize radial islam isn’t responsible which tells me it’s islam. But they are absolutely sure it’s an anti-islam, right wing… Read more »

The Wizard of Oz
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Thanks for putting so much work into this post with the updates.

Anonymous
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It was a white Norwegian right-winger just like Timothy McVeigh.

Anonymous
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I wonder what will be the Norwegian socialists excuse for not sentencing and putting that mosnter to DEATH?

Anonymous
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Classy, blame the vicitm.

Anonymous
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How about “like every other country in the Western world, we do not practice capital punishment under any circumstance”?

Shelly Sands
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My heart and prayers go out to all those poor people. Evil never ceases to amaze and shock me. I pray it never does.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

So it appears to be “domestic”, as to that Norwegian TV station that suggested ties to “right wing extremism” I wonder just what is the far right in Norway? Have to look in to that.

KenInMontana
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So it appears to be “domestic”, as to that Norwegian TV station that suggested ties to “right wing extremism” I wonder just what is the far right in Norway? Have to look in to that.

Richard McCreedy
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Yes, people are still operating under the old and busted model that right=fascism and left=communism. It’s annoying, because it isn’t the case, but it’s how they roll.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Apparently, in Europe anyway, that is what they mean by far right. Which, considering the camp that was attacked is affiliated with the Labour Party there in Norway which they classify as “center-left” or what we would call Social Democrats , on that old left/right model.

MarkD
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Yep, I hear this nonsense every day and it drives me nuts. People like me who believe in limited government and personal freedom are thrown in with National Socialists who believed in the exact opposite (not to mention being murderously anti-semetic – another box ticked for the left). The problem is the LSM in europe is largely left wing, so the easiest way to disassociate with their busted ideologies is to re-label them right wing. I’m just surprised that Stalinist Communism hasn’t made the move over yet.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

We have the French to thank for that old right/left model.

Richard McCreedy
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Yes, people are still operating under the old and busted model that right=fascism and left=communism. It’s annoying, because it isn’t the case, but it’s how they roll.

Richard McCreedy
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Richard McCreedy

Yes, people are still operating under the old and busted model that right=fascism and left=communism. It’s annoying, because it isn’t the case, but it’s how they roll.

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Why Allah is really the ancient Sumerian crescent moon god of war, Sin of Ur.. From book “End of Days” about the Sumerian Religion The story of Babylonia’s last king reflected the new circumstances. He was chosen by Sin in his cult-center Harran—but he required the consent and blessing of Marduk in Babylon, and the celestial confirmation by the appearance of Marduk’s planet; and he bore the name Nabu-Na’id. This divine co-regnum might have been an attempt at Dual Monotheism (to coin an expression); but its unintended consequence was to plant the seeds of Islam. The historical record indicates that neither gods nor people were happy with these arrangements. Sin, whose temple in Harran was restored, demanded that his great ziggurat temple in Ur should also be rebuilt and become the center of worship; and in Babylon, the priests of Marduk were up in arms. A tablet now in the… Read more »

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Muslims have been invading Europe for 2000 years. The moment Europeans realize that the better off Europe will be.

Anonymous
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How can a 1200 year old religion have been invading Europe for 2,000 years?

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Perhaps Norway will now wake up to its role as one of the most antisemetic countries in the western world. Yes, I am sure they will find a way to blame this on the jews (whoops sorry, I mean Israel).

Dave Kawasaki
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It’s long past time for the people to handle things and to hell with what the government thinks about it.

Kean Giledaks
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There are not nearly that many confirmed deaths, but that is expected… They also found undetonated explosives on the island. The person apprehended for this, is blonde and blue eyed fyi.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

The attacks could be unrelated and then again they may be related, just not enough information at the moment. However, it has been well known in intelligence circles that Islamic terrorist organizations have been recruiting western converts precisely for the reason of avoiding detection.

sDee
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If he was a convert he would have been easy to detect because he would be a then be a muslim. We are looking under the wrong rocks.

This is another battle the islamists have won…..”we cannot assume he is a terrorist because he is a musllim”

I would say ” all muslims are islamists. All islamists are enemies of the west”

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

So then just what does a muslim look like?

sDee
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It is myth that a muslim can be separate from sharia, jihad or the core obligation to destroy Christians, Jews, the West and Israel as mortal enemies. It is tantamount to a Christian not believing in the New Testament. There are no secular muslims or peaceful muslims – only sleeper islamists. It is not their looks we have to use to identify them, it is their organizational ties – what they call their “religious” institutions. The mosques, islamic societies/charities, legal groups and international Sharia finance system is their global organization. Here in NC we had a born and bred anglo who was arrested by the Feds with weapons and plans for a terrorist attack. He was well known at the local mosque and islamic groups – the local mosques are their FOBs. The stealth jihadists do not even try and hide. Just like the communist VanJones did not try and… Read more »

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Those that are in the open are not the ones that carry out attacks, they are mouthpieces, they may pass messages hidden in their statements but that is the extent of their involvement, the actual combat in this fight is conducted from and in the “shadows”. There is a very good reason behind the term “sleeper”. The “sleepers” are the ones that must be hunted and dealt with, which again will tend to appear “western” to our eyes. They do not proclaim it on their shirt or have “jihadist” tattooed on their forehead.

sDee
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I do not disagree at all. The muslims who blow things up, the terrorists, have complex covert terrorist networks supporting them. But what I am trying to point out is that these terrorists and their terrorist networks are not the real enemy – they are but tools used to intimidate us into submitting to islam and sharia, one slice at a time.

Those who send them have other deeper systemic attacks being waged against us. They are the ones we should be searching out and removing – the stealth jihadis. I am just trying to say that while their techniques are stealth and subversive, they are in the open. They can all be found through their islamic religious organizations, “charities” and sharia finance systems.

Why we fail to go after them, is a whole other thread of conversation.

sadpanda
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Not enough known to point the finger at the moment but its clear that these attacks are related.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

It would seem so, both the sky news link RS put up and a story from AP are suggesting that this character pulled off both attacks. This is the AP story:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_NORWAY_EXPLOSION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-07-22-22-06-19

sadpanda
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sadpanda

WoW. Hope the links story is inaccurate. This story is something completely different than what i had thought. Hope this man did not commit this heinous attack in order to blame an islamist group or something.

sadpanda
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sadpanda

WoW. Hope the links story is inaccurate. This story is something completely different than what i had thought. Hope this man did not commit this heinous attack in order to blame an islamist group or something.

sadpanda
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sadpanda

WoW. Hope the links story is inaccurate. This story is something completely different than what i had thought. Hope this man did not commit this heinous attack in order to blame an islamist group or something.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

He could be a deranged paranoid, acting on his own political views. Which in light of the information coming out, seems highly plausible. The Islamist site/group that was going on about the attack earlier most likely was looking to claim credit to further their own agenda. The fact that they captured the guy alive will help to shed light on what his motivation was. Islamic extremists are only one of many threats we all face after all.

sadpanda
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sadpanda

Sad, but true.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

It would seem so, both the sky news link RS put up and a story from AP are suggesting that this character pulled off both attacks. This is the AP story:
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_NORWAY_EXPLOSION?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-07-22-22-06-19

sDee
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KenInMontanna wote “War involves bullets, bombs, and people.” Ken, I think I answered this in another post above “All we can do is starve it, shrink it and contain it. First we have to call islam out as our enemy. We have not – we are too afraid and politically correct to do that. Then, we have to gain energy independence, defend our Constitution, build back our Judeo-Christian values, and exorcise ourselves of islam’s enablers within.” There are wars that do not involve bullets. Islam’s war of attack on the West does not involve bullets or bombs. The bombs are only used to intimidate its enemies into appeasement and submission to Sharia. Islam’s attack is real and it is from within. Islamistist are now well infiltrated in every federal agency and the military. Islam does have a structure – we just do not see it because we are not looking.… Read more »

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Great post,SDee

KenInMontana
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I detest the misuse of the word “War” in a metaphoric sense, as in “War on Poverty” or “War on Drugs” etcetera ad nauseum. There are wars that do not involve bullets. Islam’s war of attack on the West does not involve bullets or bombs. The bombs are only used to intimidate its enemies into appeasement and submission to Sharia. Islam’s attack is real and it is from within. I’m sorry but wars do involve bullets and bombs, your naivete of what warfare involves comes shining through here. The very nature of warfare is intimidation of your enemy, if you can frighten them into submission you do not have to fight, ask any General. However the bombs and bullets being used by these Militant factions DO kill people and they are intended to do so (one does not make use of the tactic of double bombings to scare people, they… Read more »

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

I detest the misuse of the word “War” in a metaphoric sense, as in “War on Poverty” or “War on Drugs” etcetera ad nauseum. There are wars that do not involve bullets. Islam’s war of attack on the West does not involve bullets or bombs. The bombs are only used to intimidate its enemies into appeasement and submission to Sharia. Islam’s attack is real and it is from within. I’m sorry but wars do involve bullets and bombs, your naivete of what warfare involves comes shining through here. The very nature of warfare is intimidation of your enemy, if you can frighten them into submission you do not have to fight, ask any General. However the bombs and bullets being used by these Militant factions DO kill people and they are intended to do so (one does not make use of the tactic of double bombings to scare people, they… Read more »

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

I detest the misuse of the word “War” in a metaphoric sense, as in “War on Poverty” or “War on Drugs” etcetera ad nauseum. There are wars that do not involve bullets. Islam’s war of attack on the West does not involve bullets or bombs. The bombs are only used to intimidate its enemies into appeasement and submission to Sharia. Islam’s attack is real and it is from within. I’m sorry but wars do involve bullets and bombs, your naivete of what warfare involves comes shining through here. The very nature of warfare is intimidation of your enemy, if you can frighten them into submission you do not have to fight, ask any General. However the bombs and bullets being used by these Militant factions DO kill people and they are intended to do so (one does not make use of the tactic of double bombings to scare people, they… Read more »

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Norway is a NATO country. I wonder what our Dear Leader’s response will be?

Anonymous
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Norway is a NATO country. I wonder what our Dear Leader’s response will be?

Virus-X
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Actually, while I don’t like innocents murdered, I couldn’t care less about their NATO status. Not too many NATO countries can be counted on to rush to our defense, so I really couldn’t be bothered to rush to theirs, militarily. Outside of humanitarian assistance, I’m not interested. All I hope is that this country has learned that the WORLD is at war with islam, and has been since it’s inception, and will remain, until it’s destruction.

sDee
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sDee

Our “Dear Leader” is an enabler of isalmic supremacy not a champion against it.

Al-Qaeda Part of New Libyan Government Recognized by Obama, Running Weapons to Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood in Gaza

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/al-qaeda-part-of-new-libyan-government-recognized-by-obama-running-weapons-to-hamasmuslim-brotherhoo.html

Tania Gail
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Via BBC – Norwegian police report 9 possibly 10 dead in shooting rampage.

MarkD
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As that is from the Biased Broadcasting Corporation, I wonder if they mentioned who were the likely culprits? Lost members of ETA? A resurgent sleeper cell of Baader Meinhof? Tamil Tigers declaring Norway the new Sri Lanka? Or perhaps, the BBC’s favourite ”likely suspect” ‘far right’ extremists?

Anonymous
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Yup, a far right extremist just like you but more murderous.

MarkD
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MarkD

Well, it’s funny – the good old beeb seems to be running with ”far right, neo Nazi”. Hmm.. ‘far right’ and ‘national SOCIALIST’ – strange mix that. But then to the beeb anything they don’t like is ‘far right’ even when the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party were of course left wing. You know the type:
1) Believed in an all powerful state
2) Deeply anti-semetic
3) Anti capitalist
4) Anti personal freedom

You know, like you but with gas chambers.

Jaynie59
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“And here is the translation (pretty sure when it says God it means Allah)” Christians really need to stop thinking Allah isn’t God. It is. It’s not that Muslims believe in some false god, it’s that Islam was invented to fool people into thinking that God, the one and only God, wants them to do what Islam says they should do. Muslims don’t believe in a false God. They don’t worship the Devil who is pretending to be the one and only God. They simply have a different idea of what that one God is. Because their religion tells them so. They believe what they’ve been taught. Because it’s been taught to them. You’ll never get anywhere by claiming Muslims worship a false God. The only hope is to try to convince them that God is not what they’ve been taught. Good luck with that.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Well said Jaynie, I imagine you’ll get a bit of “heat” for it but well said all the same.

American Duckie
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I agree that they will never believe their allah is a false god, although the name allah comes from an arabian moon god. The fact that the dead guy these people worship as their prophet questioned his own visions (whether or not it was an angel or demon) makes one believe that islam is a satanic cult. But you’re right, we will never convince them of this. However, believing in the prophecies of the Bible, I do think that God will let them know soon enough that their beliefs, while sincere, are from Satan.

Virus-X
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Wrong. They can see reason, those that want to. When told in the proper way, by the right people, they will realize they worship Satan, and they will leave the Devil, forever. This is why this great man is hated:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/09/al-qaeda-declares-coptic-priest-zakaria-botros-one-of-the-most-wanted-infidels-in-the-world.html

American Duckie
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American Duckie

“Those that want to” is a true statement VirusX- I know that, and I am glad for those who have seen the truth and are free from satan. There are many thousands in the middle east, especially Iran who are coming out of islam- but it’s those untold millions more that I was referring to~

The Right Scoop
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The Right Scoop

But they do. I don’t care what people say about it, Islam was the work of Satan in response to Christianity and this figurative Allah is really Satan.

I know they would never agree, but Allah clearly is not the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob no matter what people claim him to be.

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

You are giving Islam too much power. It doesn’t deserve equal status with Jesus Christ. Don’t give it that status. Mohammed was a bandit and a barbarian. But he wasn’t stupid. He saw this new thing called “Christianity” and he knew that it wouldn’t take much to convince people that he, too, was chosen by God to lead the world. And so he did. And he was right. It didn’t take much. Mohammed appealed to the base instincts he knew resided in all our souls and he used that to fashion a way of life that would reap him the most benefits. It’s not surprising that his philosophy out lived him. Islam is brilliant in that way. It’s perfect, really, when you think about it. It’s a philosophy and way of life that allows a man to do whatever he wants, to however he wants, whenever he wants, as long… Read more »

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Anonymous

In all of my reading,my take on Islam is very similar to yours. It relies more on rationalization and justification for any act the adherent might want to commit, than any form of grace, or morality, or forgiveness. It could be kind of like when Nixon told Frost that if the president breaks the law, it’s not illegal if the president does it. ??? To me this way of thinking is most illogical, verging on the insane, really.

sadpanda
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sadpanda

“It’s a philosophy and way of life that allows a man to do whatever he wants, to however he wants, whenever he wants, as long as he can say it’s in defense of Islam.”

Spot on!

Virus-X
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Virus-X

I couldn’t care less what you think Christians should or shouldn’t believe, quite frankly. You can call your plate of sushi “god”, but that does not make it so. There are absolutely no similarities between the being they worship (Satan) and God (Jesus Christ). Christ, Himself, said there would be many false Christs; “allah” (no capitalizations, because I respect neither him [Satan], nor his followers) is nothing more than yet another Christ impersonator. They’re getting as common as Elvis impersonators, and more dangerous. It’s not about what you think God is, because God couldn’t give two sh*ts what you think He is, or what He should be like. He clearly states who He is, what He’s doing, and what His plans are. Reinterpreting that is nothing more than spinning a lie and inventing your own ‘god’, because the real one isn’t palatable enough, or politically correct, for you. I will… Read more »

CM Sackett
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CM Sackett

Virus,

We may never share the same battle field, but I would damn-sure stand in the Gap WITH you, FOR you… or OVER you, if ever need be.

CM Sackett

Jaynie59
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Jaynie59

You’re being defensive. That never works. People put on the defensive never come out on top.

You have right on your side as long as you argue from a righteous perspective. You are right. Nothing anybody says or does can change that. Don’t give them the power to undermine what you know is true. Stop worrying about about what they believe and stay true to what you believe. You really are the only hope this world has. I’m not being sarcastic or facetious.

I don’t believe what you believe. But I know one thing for sure. Christianity is our only hope. There is nobody else.

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

You are so correct-why do you choose to reject such truth?

Anonymous
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Anonymous

You are so right, Jayne. The G-d of Christianity is NOT the same G-d Islam praises..

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Well, I’d say, Allah isn’t God. Allah is a god. A false one. Muslims can call him whatever they want, but not the same God of the Bible. The Trinity – 3 in One, Father, Son and Holy Spirit- Creator of the universe. And, I have to disagree with pretty much the rest of what you wrote as well. Except for the ‘they believe what they’ve been taught’ part. Ask any muslim convert to Christianity, and they’ll testify that yep, different God, indeed.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

The commands that “Allah” gives to his followers are not by any possible stretch of the imagination emanating from the same God the Christians and Jews worship.

“You shall have no other gods before me.” (Exodus 20:3 and Deuteronomy 5:7)

“But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God.” (Jeremiah 10:10)

“And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.” (Deuteronomy 8:19)

Ergo, there are other “gods”. We have God’s word on it.

JR Dogman
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JR Dogman

These people are monsters, and it isn’t because of their genetics, skin color, accents, or anything like that.

They are monsters because what they believe is monstrous. In a nutshell, Osama bin Laden was a bad person, but he was a good Muslim.

JR Dogman
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JR Dogman

These people are monsters, and it isn’t because of their genetics, skin color, accents, or anything like that.

They are monsters because what they believe is monstrous. In a nutshell, Osama bin Laden was a bad person, but he was a good Muslim.

JR Dogman
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JR Dogman

“terror plots linked to the 2005 newspaper cartoons”

Doesn’t that just say it all? *Cartoons*got these people fired up to blow up cafes, subways, anyplace where they were sure to kill and maim as many men, women, and children as possible.

Cartoons.

MarkD
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MarkD

Not only cartoons, but six year old cartoons.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

It won’t be wiped out if the sissies prevail and make capons of us all. You know what a capon is – the larval stage of a dhimmi.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

It won’t be wiped out if the sissies prevail and make capons of us all. You know what a capon is – the larval stage of a dhimmi.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

It won’t be wiped out if the sissies prevail and make capons of us all.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

It won’t be wiped out if the sissies prevail and make capons of us all.

Rshill7
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Rshill7

Excuse me barbarians, but this furthers your cause how? Is your goal to have country after country hate your guts? Is your goal to win converts? Is your goal to increase a crackdown on your religion’s adherents? I don’t get it. How does this kind of thing further anything? Maybe you who participate in actions such as this, and scores of others, are simply evil, rabid, bloodthirsty devils. If you’re not demeaning women you’re stoning them. If you’re not killing innocents you are sapping them of joy in every way imaginable. As Weasel Zipper oft’ says, there is no joy, there is no fun, in Islam. No, barbarian freaks, I do not want to convert. Go to hell, and tell your departed brothers and sisters who are already there, that more will be joining them. When you look at Satan’s nametag, don’t be too surprised if it says Allah on… Read more »

Rshill7
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Rshill7

Update. Whether he be Islam or not, he has taken up the mantlle of Islam terrorist murderers. You can see the evil in his face can you not? Satan has his minions, in Islam as well as on the hard left, which is what neonazi’s would be. There was nothing rightwing about Hitler. His regime gained power under the Socialist banner. If he is shown to not be Islam, he will play right into the hands of the TSA agents who appear to have been targeting the whitest folks they can find, with little kids and the infirmed elderly included. The left would like to be able to portray Christians in the same way. Apparently this guy called himself something like a Christian ultra-conservative. Keep in mind, that there is nothing in Christian teaching that would condone anything remotely resembling this act of barbarism. This has all of the markings… Read more »

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Anonymous

“Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country.” Assuming – I say again, assuming – that the Norway attacks are Muslim in origin, (although this is the logical response to Islam even if this particular atrocity is not their act): There is a logical response to this evil, and it should be world-wide. Of course if I suggested it I’d be a zenophobe and a racist and an intolerant religious bigot. Or anti-religious bigot. I’m sure I’d be hit with both labels. We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot,… Read more »

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot, no warning necessary.

This actually was “inherited” from “Crown Law” in England, but was practiced in all feudal societies.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot, no warning necessary.

This actually was “inherited” from “Crown Law” in England, but was practiced in all feudal societies.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot, no warning necessary.

This actually was “inherited” from “Crown Law” in England, but was practiced in all feudal societies.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

“Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country.” Assuming – I say again, assuming – that the Norway attacks are Muslim in origin, (although this is the logical response to Islam even if this particular atrocity is not their act): There is a logical response to this evil, and it should be world-wide. Of course if I suggested it I’d be a zenophobe and a racist and an intolerant religious bigot. Or anti-religious bigot. I’m sure I’d be hit with both labels. We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot,… Read more »

Anonymous
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Anonymous

“Why aren’t you giving your citizens the authority to remove them from existence?”

No kidding, right-wing fascists believe they are God’s chosen ones. They are delusional and belong in prison so they do not hurt anyone.

Kent Woodward Jr
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Kent Woodward Jr

Peace loving Muslims. When pigs fly.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

Peace loving right-winger. When pigs fly.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

You’re done troll.

Anonymous
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Anonymous

flapflapflapflapLOOKOUT BELOW! Oh sorry Mr. Muslimflapflapflapflap…

Elilla Shadowheart
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Elilla Shadowheart

I’ve noticed a lot of other places including /. going off about this being a ‘neonazi’ attack. Sadly this coming damn near right after friday afternoon prayers doesn’t leave much to the imagination. I suppose we’ll find out soonish, who did it. Though that claim of responsibility sure tells a tale.

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