MASSACRE: 80 KILLED – UPDATED Terror in Norway: Huge blast rocks downtown Oslo; gunman opens fire at youth camp in Utoya

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***UPDATE: Massacre: At least 80 killed at Youth Camp***

***UPDATE: Massacre in Utøya?***

***UPDATE: Alleged Claim?***

The details are very sketchy at this point, but it appears that Oslo is in the midst of a terrorist attack. There was a huge explosion in the heart of downtown, and now there is another report that a gunman dressed as a policeman has opened fire on a children’s summer camp in Utoya.

Here is the report from Fox News:

OSLO, Norway – DEVELOPING: A powerful bomb tore into the heart of Norway on Friday, killing at least two people and injuring 15 as it ripped open buildings including the prime minister’s office. It was the deadliest bombing ever in Oslo, normally associated with the Nobel Peace Prize that is awarded there.

Sky News reports that a man dressed as a policeman and armed with a handgun has attacked a summer camp for children on a nearby island.

Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg was working at home Friday and was unharmed, according to senior adviser Oivind Ostang.

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The blast comes as Norway grapples with a homegrown terror plot linked to al-Qaida. Two suspects are in jail awaiting charges.

Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country. The indictment centered on statements that Mullah Krekar — the founder of the Kurdish Islamist group Ansar al-Islam — made to various news media, including American network NBC.

Terrorism has also been a concern in neighboring Denmark since an uproar over cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad six years ago. Danish authorities say they have foiled several terror plots linked to the 2005 newspaper cartoons that triggered protests in Muslim countries. Last month, a Danish appeals court on Wednesday sentenced a Somali man to 10 years in prison for breaking into the home of the cartoonist.

Read the full story here.

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UPDATE (TRS): This is a rough translation of the alleged claim for the Oslo Attacks from Google Translate. First here’s the description via the author:

This was posted by Abu Sulayman al-Nasir to the Arabic jihadi forum, Shmukh, around 10:30am EST (thread 118187). Shmukh is the main forum for Arabic-speaking jihadis who support al-Qaeda.

And here is the translation (pretty sure when it says God it means Allah):

Praise be to God Nasser slaves combined and humiliating the people of shirk and kufr companions, prayer and peace upon our Prophet Muhammad, the Seal of the Prophets, his family and companions and after

The Almighty said: (then fight for God but do not cost yourself and rouse the believers may be that Allah keeps those who disbelieve and Allah is more powerful and in punishment) [women: 84]

Here have reached the countries of Europe is another message from the militants and further proof of the countries of Europe that the Mujahideen will not stand idly towards their war against Islam and Muslims.

Today has been targeting Norway to be a lesson and a lesson to the rest of Europe has already threatened us since the invasion of Stockholm more operations has asked European countries to withdraw their armies from the land of Afghanistan and stop its war against Islam and Muslims, and we repeat our warning again to the countries of Europe and tell them carried out the demands of the mujahideen, what you see is only the beginning and the next more.

The reasons for the targeting of Norway there are many of the most important of their participation in the occupation of Afghanistan and the abuse of our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him).

Praise God that enabled slaves to the combined .. and pray to God to save our brothers and our fighters everywhere.
Glory and praise God I bear witness that no god but You Astgrk and I repent to you.

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UPDATE (TRS): Very graphic photos of Oslo blast can be seen here.



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UPDATE (TRS): I’m hearing all over twitter that the attack on the children’s youth camp in Utøya is a massacre, maybe 30 dead. Keep in mind that these are unconfirmed reports. I’ll keep you updated as I hear more.

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UPDATE (TRS): The Telegraph is a great resource if you want to keep updated on what’s going on with both Oslo and Utoya. Here is their updated summary:

• Seven dead in bomb blast in Oslo
• Police says at least nine killed in youth camp shooting
• Gunman on island of Utoya ‘dressed as policeman’
• Prime Minister had been due to attend rally there but pulled out
• One man arrested, believed to be connected to both incidents

Click the link for up to the minute reports.

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UPDATE: Apparently the BBC has the latest updating coverage on what’s going on in Oslo and Utoya. Click here to watch.

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UPDATE (TRS): This update saddens me greatly. USA Today is reporting that at least 80 people were killed today in the Utoya Youth Camp:

Police say at least 80 people were killed in a shooting spree at the youth camp of Norway’s Labor Party. Police director Oystein Maeland told reporters early Saturday they had discovered many more victims after initially reporting the death toll at 10. Maeland couldn’t say how many people were injured in the shooting. Hundreds of youth were attending the summer camp organized by the youth wing of Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg’s Labor Party on the island of Utoya. Police also say seven people were killed in an explosion in Oslo.

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UPDATE (TRS): From SkyNews:

A 32-year-old Norwegian suspect has been arrested after at least 87 people were killed in two attacks in Norway. …

The suspect being held in connection with both attacks has been named in Norwegian television reports as Anders Behring Breivik. Police are understood to have searched a flat in west Oslo where the man lived. An anonymous police official said the suspect was arrested in Utoya and appears to have acted alone in the attacks.

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I heard Bolton suggest a few minutes ago that it’s hard to believe that one man accomplished all of this, car bombing and 80 dead at the youth camp. So things may change as more facts unfold.


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219 thoughts on “MASSACRE: 80 KILLED – UPDATED Terror in Norway: Huge blast rocks downtown Oslo; gunman opens fire at youth camp in Utoya

  1. So his 1500 page manifest is out, you can read it at WorldNetDaily. He says he is not a very religious person and that science should take precedence over the bible. He considers himself first and foremost a man of logic.

    His view of Christianity is very unorthodox. According to him you don’t even have to believe in God or Jesus to be a Christian. That you can be a Christian agnostic or a Christian atheist. Basically being a Christian can mean whatever you want it to be.

    It’s difficult to put a label on his ideology because he believes in so many different things. He’s a secularist and rationalist. He is a man of science and logic (Darwinism) yet considers himself a Christian (very much in name only). He also takes pride in his Nordic heritage (paganism) and has practiced meditation and rituals.

    In conclusion, he’s not the Christian fundamentalist the media has made him out to be.

  2. So his 1500 page manifest is out, you can read it at WorldNetDaily. He says he is not a very religious person and that science should take precedence over the bible. He considers himself first and foremost a man of logic.

    His view of Christianity is very unorthodox. According to him you don’t even have to believe in God or Jesus to be a Christian. That you can be a Christian agnostic or a Christian atheist. Basically being a Christian can mean whatever you want it to be.

    It’s difficult to put a label on his ideology because he believes in so many different things. He’s a secularist and rationalist. He is a man of science and logic (Darwinism) yet considers himself a Christian (very much in name only). He also takes pride in his Nordic heritage (paganism) and has practiced meditation and rituals.

    In conclusion, he’s not the Christian fundamentalist the media has made him out to be.

  3. His targets do not match his ideology. Be careful this does not turn out to be just another whack job, with his actions being used.

  4. OK Fellow Wacko’s – lets get our sierra together and go after all of the far right Christian fundamentlists that are responsible for this. Are you with me??

  5. Can’t blame people for jumping to conclusions, Islamic terrorists certainly have a long rap sheet after all. Still it’s best to avoid knee jerk reactions until all the facts are in. As for this guy there’s still alot we don’t know. One thing is for sure, anyone who calls themselves a Christian and blows up people is NOT a Christian.

  6. Increasingly, I’m hearing the guy was a “Christian” fundamentalist. I’m not really seeing this, because:

    1: False Christians that participate in acts of terrorism normally/habitually aren’t too shy about accepting responsibility for what they’ve done, and will proudly claim God told them to do it.

    2: He’s made no known attempt to distance himself from the islamist claims. Christianity and Satan worship aren’t very compatible, and I have a hard time seeing a supposed Christian terrorist allowing agents of the Real, Great Satan (muslims) to take ‘credit’ for God’s work.

    Its also quite possible the guy WAS someone calling himself a “Christian”, but converted to Satan worship, and the authorities in his country are unaware, or unwilling, to broadcast this for whatever reason, or reasons.

    1. VirusX
      Why does it surprise you that he’s a Christian Fundy – most of the domestic terror attacks have come for that very group. Need to get Peter King to hold some hearings on the far right fringe

      1. Why don’t you list the terror attacks by those found responsible? This individual was an Ultra Nationalist, his manifesto was largely plagiarized from the Unabomber’s writings. He was rejected by Nationalist political organizations because they found him too radical. He is what is known as a “Lone Wolf”.
        I’ll be waiting for that list, by the way Ruby Ridge and Waco were not domestic terror attacks, unless you consider the Federal Government, terrorists.

  7. So it’s interesting that this post has degenerated into a huge discussion about Islam considering that, at least as of right now, there is no evidence that Islam was involved.

    I also find it interesting that people seem to dismiss the notion that this guy could be an ultra-nationalist (which is what appears to be the common consensus among the Norwegian authorities, at least as of right now), as if ultra-nationalism (which at least on the traditional left-right continuum belongs on the right side) hasn’t caused similar bloodshed in the past in our country and other countries.

    Why don’t we all just wait until the facts are a bit clearer before leaping to conclusions?

    1. Considering the post on “Shmukh” (a known Jihadist site) following the attack, is it any wonder? When someone claims “credit” for something is it not a completely understandable conclusion to come to that those individuals just might have had something to do with it? Now that details have come forth that contradict that claim I think you will notice that the focus has shifted.

  8. Mullah Krekar threatened Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from norway & crazy 6th century islamists up in arms about mohammad cartoons, yeah i see a link to the GOP and the TEA PARTY.

    1. Didn’t Homeland security say white people are terrorists? Coincidence? If the wait at the airport is long now just imagine how much scrutiny whites will get in the future? Being cynical about the MSM i’ve to guess there will be implications the militias are back in the US and they have huge caches of arms. In the meanwhile only foxnews and conservative talk radio are taking about “fast and furious’. Wonder why? The 2nd amendment is going to get dragged into this mess and bills to curb law abiding citizen’s right to bear arms will be in jeopardy.

  9. A lot of sites I’ve read so far this morning are making a big deal about this guy being “Nordic” looking. Blond and blue eyed.

    The fact that he targeted and killed children makes an Islam connection likely. Islam is not a race. The most dangerous Muslims are converts. The simple truth is that most Muslims in the world can’t read so they’ve never actually read the Koran. Converts, on the other hand, tend to be highly educated in Islamic texts and doctrine. They are also highly motivated and passionate.

    It goes without saying that this guy will be depicted in the media as “right wing” unless there is evidence he’s a Leftie loon in which case his motivation will be ignored and he’ll just be called insane. But people on the Right need to constantly remind people that Islam is not a race. But first they have to remember it themselves.

    1. Of course they want the shooter/bomber to be ‘nordic’ looking so they can get maximum wall to wall coverage without being called racists or islamaphobes. ‘if it bleeds it leads’ , ‘if it burns it earns’ a lot more if the act is done by a white perpetrator.

  10. If the perp is anti-muslim and anti immigrant then shoudn’t he have turned his rage and anger towards the immigrant and mooslim community? The motive and the result don’t jive. Either this guy is being framed or he’s a mooslim convert who wants to paint islam in a good light while painting christianity in bad.

  11. It’s funny how low the dirtbags at cnn will stoop to label the perpetrator who committed the massacre in oslo as anti-islam, right wing fundamentalist christian, they even threw in mason. The insinuation was he was a foxnews watching obama hating michael savage, rush limbaugh, glen beck, mark levin & sarah palin lovin tea partier. Soon as they said he is anti-islam, right wing fundamentalist christian I knew something didn’t smell right. They are so PC over there that the natives can’t espouse anti-islam or anti-immigrant sentiments. Him being christian is hilarious, since the only religion that is practiced vigorously in Scandinavia is radical islam. Not buying it. Some dummies will believe right wing in europe means the same in america. Even the oslo authorities are bending over backward to emphasize radial islam isn’t responsible which tells me it’s islam. But they are absolutely sure it’s an anti-islam, right wing fundamentalist christian nutjob even though the investigation isn’t over. I wonder if the perp practiced his hate on a abortion clinic before moving on to bigger things? LoL This has all the hallmarks of the bloodthirsty alqueda or its sympathizers.

  12. I wonder what will be the Norwegian socialists excuse for not sentencing and putting that mosnter to DEATH?

    1. How about “like every other country in the Western world, we do not practice capital punishment under any circumstance”?

  13. So it appears to be “domestic”, as to that Norwegian TV station that suggested ties to “right wing extremism” I wonder just what is the far right in Norway? Have to look in to that.

  14. So it appears to be “domestic”, as to that Norwegian TV station that suggested ties to “right wing extremism” I wonder just what is the far right in Norway? Have to look in to that.

    1. Yes, people are still operating under the old and busted model that right=fascism and left=communism. It’s annoying, because it isn’t the case, but it’s how they roll.

      1. Apparently, in Europe anyway, that is what they mean by far right. Which, considering the camp that was attacked is affiliated with the Labour Party there in Norway which they classify as “center-left” or what we would call Social Democrats , on that old left/right model.

        1. Yep, I hear this nonsense every day and it drives me nuts. People like me who believe in limited government and personal freedom are thrown in with National Socialists who believed in the exact opposite (not to mention being murderously anti-semetic – another box ticked for the left). The problem is the LSM in europe is largely left wing, so the easiest way to disassociate with their busted ideologies is to re-label them right wing. I’m just surprised that Stalinist Communism hasn’t made the move over yet.

    2. Yes, people are still operating under the old and busted model that right=fascism and left=communism. It’s annoying, because it isn’t the case, but it’s how they roll.

    3. Yes, people are still operating under the old and busted model that right=fascism and left=communism. It’s annoying, because it isn’t the case, but it’s how they roll.

  15. Why Allah is really the ancient Sumerian crescent moon god of war, Sin of Ur..

    From book “End of Days” about the Sumerian Religion

    The story of Babylonia’s last king reflected the new circumstances. He was chosen by Sin in his cult-center Harran—but he required the consent and blessing of Marduk in Babylon, and the celestial confirmation by the appearance of Marduk’s planet; and he bore the name Nabu-Na’id. This divine co-regnum might have been an attempt at Dual Monotheism (to coin an expression); but its unintended consequence was to plant the seeds of Islam. The historical record indicates that neither gods nor people were happy with these arrangements. Sin, whose temple in Harran was restored, demanded that his great ziggurat temple in Ur should also be rebuilt and become the center of worship; and in Babylon, the priests of Marduk were up in arms.

    A tablet now in the British Museum is inscribed with a text that scholars have titled Nabunaid and the Clergy of Babylon. It contains a list of accusations by the Babylonian priests against Nabunaid. The charges ran from civil matters (“law and order are not promulgated by him”), through neglect of the economy (“the farmers are corrupted,” “the traders’ roads are blocked”), and lack of public safety (“nobles are killed”), to the most serious charges: religious sacrilege— He made an image of a god which nobody had seen before in the land. He placed it in the temple, raised it upon a pedestal, He called it by the name of Nannar, with lapis lazuli he adorned it, Crowned it with a tiara in the shape of an eclipsed moon, Made for its hand the gesture of a demon. It was, the accusations continued, a strange statue of a deity, never seen before, “with hair reaching down to the pedestal.”

    It was so unusual and unseemly, the priests wrote, that even Enki and Ninmah (who ended up with strange chimera creatures when they attempted to fashion Man) “could not have conceived it”; it was so strange that “not even the learned Adapa”—an icon of utmost human knowledge—“could have named it.” To make matters worse, two unusual beasts were sculpted as its guardians—one a “Deluge demon” and the other a wild bull; then the king took this abomination and placed it in Marduk’s Esagil temple. Even more offending was Nabunaid’s announcment that henceforth the Akitu festival, during which the near-death, resurrection, exile, and final triumph of Marduk were reenacted, would no longer be celebrated.

    Declaring that Nabunaid’s “protective god became hostile to him” and that “the former favorite of the gods was now fated to misfortune,” the Babylonian priests forced Nabunaid to leave Babylon and go into exile “in a distant region.” It is a historical fact that Nabunaid indeed left Babylon and named his son Bel-Shar-Uzur—the Belshazzar of the biblical Book of Daniel—as regent

    The “distant region” to which Nabunaid went in self-exile was Arabia. As various inscriptions attest, his entourage included Jews from among the Judean exiles in the Harran region. His principal base was at a place called Teima, a caravan center in what is now northwestern Saudi Arabia that is mentioned several times in the Bible. (Recent excavations there have uncovered cuneiform tablets attesting to Nabunaid’s stay.) He established six other settlements for his followers; five of the towns were listed—a thousand years later—by Arabian writers as Jewish towns.

    One of them was Medina, the town where Muhammed founded Islam. The “Jewish angle” in the Nabunaid tale has been reinforced by the fact that a fragment of the Dead Sea scrolls, found at Qumran on the shores of the Dead Sea, mentions Nabunaid and asserts that he was suffering in Teima from an “unpleasant skin disease” that was cured only after “a Jew told him to give honor to the God Most High.” All that has led to speculation that Nabunaid was contemplating Monotheism; but to him the God Most High was not the Judeans’ Yahweh, but his benefector Nannar/Sin, the Moon god, whose crescent symbol has been adopted by Islam; and there is little doubt that its roots can be traced back to Nabunaid’s stay in Arabia.

    Sin’s whereabouts fade out of Mesopotamian records after the time of Nabunaid. Texts discovered at Ugarit, a “Canaanite” site on the Mediterranean coast in Syria now called Ras Shamra, describe the Moon god as retired, with his spouse, to an oasis at the confluence of two bodies of water, “near the cleft of the two seas.” Ever wondering why the Sinai peninsula was named in honor of Sin and its main central crossroads in honor of his spouse Nikkal (the place is still called, in Arabic, Nakhl), I surmised that the aged couple retired to somewhere on the shores of the Red Sea and the Gulf of Eilat

    The Ugaritic texts called the Moon god EL—simply, “God,” a forerunner of Islam’s Allah; and his moon-crescent symbol crowns every Moslem mosque. And as tradition demands, the mosques are flanked, to this day, by minarets that simulate multistage rocketships ready to be launched (Fig. 119). The last chapter in the Nabunaid saga was linked to the emergence on the scene of the ancient world of the Persians—a name given to a medley of peoples and states on the Iranian plateau that included the olden Sumerian Anshan and Elam and the land of the later Medes (who had a hand in the demise of Assyria).

  16. Muslims have been invading Europe for 2000 years. The moment Europeans realize that the better off Europe will be.

  17. Perhaps Norway will now wake up to its role as one of the most antisemetic countries in the western world. Yes, I am sure they will find a way to blame this on the jews (whoops sorry, I mean Israel).

  18. There are not nearly that many confirmed deaths, but that is expected… They also found undetonated explosives on the island. The person apprehended for this, is blonde and blue eyed fyi.

    1. The attacks could be unrelated and then again they may be related, just not enough information at the moment. However, it has been well known in intelligence circles that Islamic terrorist organizations have been recruiting western converts precisely for the reason of avoiding detection.

      1. If he was a convert he would have been easy to detect because he would be a then be a muslim. We are looking under the wrong rocks.

        This is another battle the islamists have won…..”we cannot assume he is a terrorist because he is a musllim”

        I would say ” all muslims are islamists. All islamists are enemies of the west”

          1. It is myth that a muslim can be separate from sharia, jihad or the core obligation to destroy Christians, Jews, the West and Israel as mortal enemies. It is tantamount to a Christian not believing in the New Testament. There are no secular muslims or peaceful muslims – only sleeper islamists.

            It is not their looks we have to use to identify them, it is their organizational ties – what they call their “religious” institutions. The mosques, islamic societies/charities, legal groups and international Sharia finance system is their global organization. Here in NC we had a born and bred anglo who was arrested by the Feds with weapons and plans for a terrorist attack. He was well known at the local mosque and islamic groups – the local mosques are their FOBs.

            The stealth jihadists do not even try and hide. Just like the communist VanJones did not try and hide.

            They openly declare it. Major terrorist attacks can always be tied back to an imam, a mosque and a country who protects them. Stealth jihadi infiltrators are all openly part of subversive islamic front groups. The mosques and the religious institutions are their command and control system, but more importantly that system is also what they use to finance and coordinate the stealth Jihad in western countries. Start there, that will flush out 90% of them.

            None of this is hidden. Their “religous” status protects them. All well known and is daily fare on many websites.

            1. Those that are in the open are not the ones that carry out attacks, they are mouthpieces, they may pass messages hidden in their statements but that is the extent of their involvement, the actual combat in this fight is conducted from and in the “shadows”. There is a very good reason behind the term “sleeper”. The “sleepers” are the ones that must be hunted and dealt with, which again will tend to appear “western” to our eyes. They do not proclaim it on their shirt or have “jihadist” tattooed on their forehead.

              1. I do not disagree at all. The muslims who blow things up, the terrorists, have complex covert terrorist networks supporting them. But what I am trying to point out is that these terrorists and their terrorist networks are not the real enemy – they are but tools used to intimidate us into submitting to islam and sharia, one slice at a time.

                Those who send them have other deeper systemic attacks being waged against us. They are the ones we should be searching out and removing – the stealth jihadis. I am just trying to say that while their techniques are stealth and subversive, they are in the open. They can all be found through their islamic religious organizations, “charities” and sharia finance systems.

                Why we fail to go after them, is a whole other thread of conversation.

      2. Not enough known to point the finger at the moment but its clear that these attacks are related.

          1. WoW. Hope the links story is inaccurate. This story is something completely different than what i had thought. Hope this man did not commit this heinous attack in order to blame an islamist group or something.

          2. WoW. Hope the links story is inaccurate. This story is something completely different than what i had thought. Hope this man did not commit this heinous attack in order to blame an islamist group or something.

          3. WoW. Hope the links story is inaccurate. This story is something completely different than what i had thought. Hope this man did not commit this heinous attack in order to blame an islamist group or something.

            1. He could be a deranged paranoid, acting on his own political views. Which in light of the information coming out, seems highly plausible. The Islamist site/group that was going on about the attack earlier most likely was looking to claim credit to further their own agenda. The fact that they captured the guy alive will help to shed light on what his motivation was. Islamic extremists are only one of many threats we all face after all.

  19. KenInMontanna wote “War involves bullets, bombs, and people.”

    Ken, I think I answered this in another post above

    “All we can do is starve it, shrink it and contain it. First we have to call islam out as our enemy. We have not – we are too afraid and politically correct to do that. Then, we have to gain energy independence, defend our Constitution, build back our Judeo-Christian values, and exorcise ourselves of islam’s enablers within.”

    There are wars that do not involve bullets. Islam’s war of attack on the West does not involve bullets or bombs. The bombs are only used to intimidate its enemies into appeasement and submission to Sharia. Islam’s attack is real and it is from within.

    Islamistist are now well infiltrated in every federal agency and the military.

    Islam does have a structure – we just do not see it because we are not looking. We do not fight it because we do not recognize it as an enemy. That structure is formed around common activities in Sharia finance, Sharia law and the religious leaders. Islam can act in unison. The Caliphate may have been dislodged from Turkey but it never went away. It has 57 states.

    1. I detest the misuse of the word “War” in a metaphoric sense, as in “War on Poverty” or “War on Drugs” etcetera ad nauseum.

      There are wars that do not involve bullets. Islam’s war of attack on the West does not involve bullets or bombs. The bombs are only used to intimidate its enemies into appeasement and submission to Sharia. Islam’s attack is real and it is from within.

      I’m sorry but wars do involve bullets and bombs, your naivete of what warfare involves comes shining through here. The very nature of warfare is intimidation of your enemy, if you can frighten them into submission you do not have to fight, ask any General. However the bombs and bullets being used by these Militant factions DO kill people and they are intended to do so (one does not make use of the tactic of double bombings to scare people, they are employed to maximize your kill ratio). Infiltration and subversion of your enemy is a facet of warfare, this has been true since the earliest days of organized warfare. If you do not mean “War” do not use the word.

    2. I detest the misuse of the word “War” in a metaphoric sense, as in “War on Poverty” or “War on Drugs” etcetera ad nauseum.

      There are wars that do not involve bullets. Islam’s war of attack on the West does not involve bullets or bombs. The bombs are only used to intimidate its enemies into appeasement and submission to Sharia. Islam’s attack is real and it is from within.

      I’m sorry but wars do involve bullets and bombs, your naivete of what warfare involves comes shining through here. The very nature of warfare is intimidation of your enemy, if you can frighten them into submission you do not have to fight, ask any General. However the bombs and bullets being used by these Militant factions DO kill people and they are intended to do so (one does not make use of the tactic of double bombings to scare people, they are employed to maximize your kill ratio). Infiltration and subversion of your enemy is a facet of warfare, this has been true since the earliest days of organized warfare. If you do not mean “War” do not use the word.

    3. I detest the misuse of the word “War” in a metaphoric sense, as in “War on Poverty” or “War on Drugs” etcetera ad nauseum.

      There are wars that do not involve bullets. Islam’s war of attack on the West does not involve bullets or bombs. The bombs are only used to intimidate its enemies into appeasement and submission to Sharia. Islam’s attack is real and it is from within.

      I’m sorry but wars do involve bullets and bombs, your naivete of what warfare involves comes shining through here. The very nature of warfare is intimidation of your enemy, if you can frighten them into submission you do not have to fight, ask any General. However the bombs and bullets being used by these Militant factions DO kill people and they are intended to do so (one does not make use of the tactic of double bombings to scare people, they are employed to maximize your kill ratio). Infiltration and subversion of your enemy is a facet of warfare, this has been true since the earliest days of organized warfare. If you do not mean “War” do not use the word.

    1. Actually, while I don’t like innocents murdered, I couldn’t care less about their NATO status. Not too many NATO countries can be counted on to rush to our defense, so I really couldn’t be bothered to rush to theirs, militarily. Outside of humanitarian assistance, I’m not interested. All I hope is that this country has learned that the WORLD is at war with islam, and has been since it’s inception, and will remain, until it’s destruction.

    1. As that is from the Biased Broadcasting Corporation, I wonder if they mentioned who were the likely culprits? Lost members of ETA? A resurgent sleeper cell of Baader Meinhof? Tamil Tigers declaring Norway the new Sri Lanka? Or perhaps, the BBC’s favourite ”likely suspect” ‘far right’ extremists?

        1. Well, it’s funny – the good old beeb seems to be running with ”far right, neo Nazi”. Hmm.. ‘far right’ and ‘national SOCIALIST’ – strange mix that. But then to the beeb anything they don’t like is ‘far right’ even when the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party were of course left wing. You know the type:
          1) Believed in an all powerful state
          2) Deeply anti-semetic
          3) Anti capitalist
          4) Anti personal freedom

          You know, like you but with gas chambers.

  20. “And here is the translation (pretty sure when it says God it means Allah)”

    Christians really need to stop thinking Allah isn’t God. It is. It’s not that Muslims believe in some false god, it’s that Islam was invented to fool people into thinking that God, the one and only God, wants them to do what Islam says they should do.

    Muslims don’t believe in a false God. They don’t worship the Devil who is pretending to be the one and only God. They simply have a different idea of what that one God is. Because their religion tells them so. They believe what they’ve been taught. Because it’s been taught to them.

    You’ll never get anywhere by claiming Muslims worship a false God. The only hope is to try to convince them that God is not what they’ve been taught. Good luck with that.

    1. Well said Jaynie, I imagine you’ll get a bit of “heat” for it but well said all the same.

    2. I agree that they will never believe their allah is a false god, although the name allah comes from an arabian moon god. The fact that the dead guy these people worship as their prophet questioned his own visions (whether or not it was an angel or demon) makes one believe that islam is a satanic cult. But you’re right, we will never convince them of this. However, believing in the prophecies of the Bible, I do think that God will let them know soon enough that their beliefs, while sincere, are from Satan.

        1. “Those that want to” is a true statement VirusX- I know that, and I am glad for those who have seen the truth and are free from satan. There are many thousands in the middle east, especially Iran who are coming out of islam- but it’s those untold millions more that I was referring to~

    3. But they do. I don’t care what people say about it, Islam was the work of Satan in response to Christianity and this figurative Allah is really Satan.

      I know they would never agree, but Allah clearly is not the God of Abraham, Issac, and Jacob no matter what people claim him to be.

      1. You are giving Islam too much power. It doesn’t deserve equal status with Jesus Christ. Don’t give it that status.

        Mohammed was a bandit and a barbarian. But he wasn’t stupid. He saw this new thing called “Christianity” and he knew that it wouldn’t take much to convince people that he, too, was chosen by God to lead the world. And so he did. And he was right. It didn’t take much. Mohammed appealed to the base instincts he knew resided in all our souls and he used that to fashion a way of life that would reap him the most benefits. It’s not surprising that his philosophy out lived him. Islam is brilliant in that way. It’s perfect, really, when you think about it. It’s a philosophy and way of life that allows a man to do whatever he wants, to however he wants, whenever he wants, as long as he can say it’s in defense of Islam. And everything he wants is in defense of Islam because that’s how Islam is written. It’s a completely self centered ideology that depends on collective blame. No Muslim man ever has to feel guilty about wanting something for himself, and doing whatever it takes to get it, because Islam tells him it’s his duty. A Muslim can lie, cheat, steal, and kill, as long as he can say he did it in defense of Islam. And Islam is everything he wants, so therefore everything he wants is justified no matter what it takes to get it.

        If you want to call that Satan, go right ahead. You know I don’t believe in any of this stuff, but I’d much rather live in a world with Jesus than one without. That’s what Islam is.

        1. In all of my reading,my take on Islam is very similar to yours. It relies more on rationalization and justification for any act the adherent might want to commit, than any form of grace, or morality, or forgiveness. It could be kind of like when Nixon told Frost that if the president breaks the law, it’s not illegal if the president does it. ??? To me this way of thinking is most illogical, verging on the insane, really.

        2. “It’s a philosophy and way of life that allows a man to do whatever he wants, to however he wants, whenever he wants, as long as he can say it’s in defense of Islam.”

          Spot on!

    4. I couldn’t care less what you think Christians should or shouldn’t believe, quite frankly. You can call your plate of sushi “god”, but that does not make it so. There are absolutely no similarities between the being they worship (Satan) and God (Jesus Christ). Christ, Himself, said there would be many false Christs; “allah” (no capitalizations, because I respect neither him [Satan], nor his followers) is nothing more than yet another Christ impersonator. They’re getting as common as Elvis impersonators, and more dangerous. It’s not about what you think God is, because God couldn’t give two sh*ts what you think He is, or what He should be like. He clearly states who He is, what He’s doing, and what His plans are. Reinterpreting that is nothing more than spinning a lie and inventing your own ‘god’, because the real one isn’t palatable enough, or politically correct, for you. I will not lie and tell them that they’re just ‘improperly worshiping god’, because they are not worshiping God, at all. The word of the One, True God and the word of ‘allah’ are nothing alike, and let’s not forget that while both have many names, ‘allah’ has one name that Jesus Christ does not, and would not accept: THE DESTROYER. Only SATAN is called THE DESTROYER. Soft soap, sugar coat, BS, back down and cow-tow to them and their Satanic cult, all you want. I will not.

      1. Virus,

        We may never share the same battle field, but I would damn-sure stand in the Gap WITH you, FOR you… or OVER you, if ever need be.

        CM Sackett

      2. You’re being defensive. That never works. People put on the defensive never come out on top.

        You have right on your side as long as you argue from a righteous perspective. You are right. Nothing anybody says or does can change that. Don’t give them the power to undermine what you know is true. Stop worrying about about what they believe and stay true to what you believe. You really are the only hope this world has. I’m not being sarcastic or facetious.

        I don’t believe what you believe. But I know one thing for sure. Christianity is our only hope. There is nobody else.

    5. Well, I’d say, Allah isn’t God. Allah is a god. A false one. Muslims can call him whatever they want, but not the same God of the Bible. The Trinity – 3 in One, Father, Son and Holy Spirit- Creator of the universe. And, I have to disagree with pretty much the rest of what you wrote as well. Except for the ‘they believe what they’ve been taught’ part. Ask any muslim convert to Christianity, and they’ll testify that yep, different God, indeed.

    6. The commands that “Allah” gives to his followers are not by any possible stretch of the imagination emanating from the same God the Christians and Jews worship.

      “You shall have no other gods before me.” (Exodus 20:3 and Deuteronomy 5:7)

      “But the LORD is the true God, he is the living God.” (Jeremiah 10:10)

      “And it shall be, if thou do at all forget the LORD thy God, and walk after other gods, and serve them, and worship them, I testify against you this day that ye shall surely perish.” (Deuteronomy 8:19)

      Ergo, there are other “gods”. We have God’s word on it.

  21. These people are monsters, and it isn’t because of their genetics, skin color, accents, or anything like that.

    They are monsters because what they believe is monstrous. In a nutshell, Osama bin Laden was a bad person, but he was a good Muslim.

  22. These people are monsters, and it isn’t because of their genetics, skin color, accents, or anything like that.

    They are monsters because what they believe is monstrous. In a nutshell, Osama bin Laden was a bad person, but he was a good Muslim.

  23. “terror plots linked to the 2005 newspaper cartoons”

    Doesn’t that just say it all? *Cartoons*got these people fired up to blow up cafes, subways, anyplace where they were sure to kill and maim as many men, women, and children as possible.

    Cartoons.

  24. It won’t be wiped out if the sissies prevail and make capons of us all. You know what a capon is – the larval stage of a dhimmi.

  25. It won’t be wiped out if the sissies prevail and make capons of us all. You know what a capon is – the larval stage of a dhimmi.

  26. Excuse me barbarians, but this furthers your cause how? Is your goal to have country after country hate your guts? Is your goal to win converts? Is your goal to increase a crackdown on your religion’s adherents? I don’t get it. How does this kind of thing further anything?

    Maybe you who participate in actions such as this, and scores of others, are simply evil, rabid, bloodthirsty devils. If you’re not demeaning women you’re stoning them. If you’re not killing innocents you are sapping them of joy in every way imaginable. As Weasel Zipper oft’ says, there is no joy, there is no fun, in Islam.

    No, barbarian freaks, I do not want to convert. Go to hell, and tell your departed brothers and sisters who are already there, that more will be joining them. When you look at Satan’s nametag, don’t be too surprised if it says Allah on it. You can get just as mad at him as you did at a cartoonist.

    1. Update. Whether he be Islam or not, he has taken up the mantlle of Islam terrorist murderers. You can see the evil in his face can you not? Satan has his minions, in Islam as well as on the hard left, which is what neonazi’s would be. There was nothing rightwing about Hitler. His regime gained power under the Socialist banner.

      If he is shown to not be Islam, he will play right into the hands of the TSA agents who appear to have been targeting the whitest folks they can find, with little kids and the infirmed elderly included. The left would like to be able to portray Christians in the same way. Apparently this guy called himself something like a Christian ultra-conservative. Keep in mind, that there is nothing in Christian teaching that would condone anything remotely resembling this act of barbarism. This has all of the markings of Satanic type activity whether it be Islam or Satanism itself.

      Don’t confuse messengers with the message. The Christian message is above reproach. There is no eveil whatsover in it’s teachings. Messengers can be obsessed, possessed, repressed and will certainly acquiesce, to evil. Satan will be applauding the extermination of innocence regardless of where it comes from. Christians will arrive from the four corners of the globe to pick up the pieces, care for the sick and feed the hungry.

  27. “Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country.”

    Assuming – I say again, assuming – that the Norway attacks are Muslim in origin, (although this is the logical response to Islam even if this particular atrocity is not their act):

    There is a logical response to this evil, and it should be world-wide. Of course if I suggested it I’d be a zenophobe and a racist and an intolerant religious bigot. Or anti-religious bigot. I’m sure I’d be hit with both labels.

    We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot, no warning necessary.

    In Islam, we are dealing with feral humans. I’m probably not the only one who is sick to death of hearing about the latest mass murder by the latest crack-brained lunatic bunch of fanatics and feathermuckers*, whose arrests will only lead to more threats and more mass murders. It’s great to find the killers, IF you kill them. It would be much closer to wisdom and justice to find the nest and crush ALL THE EGGS. Every dam last ONE! Enough talk.

    Leaders of nations, when these psychotic pervert scum tell you they are going to kill you, they mean it. Why aren’t you giving your citizens the authority to remove them from existence?

    *You know what a feather is? You know what muck is? Then you know that a feathermucker is someone who mucks his feather.

    1. We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot, no warning necessary.

      This actually was “inherited” from “Crown Law” in England, but was practiced in all feudal societies.

    2. We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot, no warning necessary.

      This actually was “inherited” from “Crown Law” in England, but was practiced in all feudal societies.

    3. We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot, no warning necessary.

      This actually was “inherited” from “Crown Law” in England, but was practiced in all feudal societies.

  28. “Last week, a Norwegian prosecutor filed terror charges against an Iraqi-born cleric for threatening Norwegian politicians with death if he is deported from the Scandinavian country.”

    Assuming – I say again, assuming – that the Norway attacks are Muslim in origin, (although this is the logical response to Islam even if this particular atrocity is not their act):

    There is a logical response to this evil, and it should be world-wide. Of course if I suggested it I’d be a zenophobe and a racist and an intolerant religious bigot. Or anti-religious bigot. I’m sure I’d be hit with both labels.

    We used to have a quaint, intolerant, redneck, America-first, John Wayne, alpha-male custom in America whereby if a criminal’s actions demonstrated that he was sufficiently feral, the sheriff of the county could declare him an outlaw, which meant that any citizen who found him could kill him on the spot, no warning necessary.

    In Islam, we are dealing with feral humans. I’m probably not the only one who is sick to death of hearing about the latest mass murder by the latest crack-brained lunatic bunch of fanatics and feathermuckers, whose arrests will only lead to more threats and more mass murders. It’s great to find the killers, IF you kill them. It would be much closer to wisdom and justice to find the nest and crush ALL THE EGGS. Every dam last ONE! Enough talk.

    Leaders of nations, when these psychotic pervert scum tell you they are going to kill you, they mean it. Why aren’t you giving your citizens the authority to remove them from existence?

    You know what a feather is? You know what muck is? Then you know that a feathermucker is someone who mucks his feather.

    1. “Why aren’t you giving your citizens the authority to remove them from existence?”

      No kidding, right-wing fascists believe they are God’s chosen ones. They are delusional and belong in prison so they do not hurt anyone.

  29. I’ve noticed a lot of other places including /. going off about this being a ‘neonazi’ attack. Sadly this coming damn near right after friday afternoon prayers doesn’t leave much to the imagination. I suppose we’ll find out soonish, who did it. Though that claim of responsibility sure tells a tale.

  30. ISLAM = EVIL = ENEMY , the truth shall set us free .(period)

    …onward Christian Soldiers

    1. It was a right-winger just like you but more murderous.

      Where ever you’re going I hope it includes being on an FBI database.

    1. …and to pull out of UN operations in Afghanistan.

      As the old European saying goes ”If you can’t beat ’em, or aren’t even willing to try, surrender”.

      1. Yes, I heard that the new French battleships will have glass bottoms, so that the new fleet can view the old fleet. (rimshot!)

        Where is Lord Nelson when you need him? He sent many a French vessel to visit Davy Jones. I love books about the age of fighting sail. I enjoy Julian Stockwin and have read his entire series. In fact I am going to order the latest one as soon as I finish this post. It is entitled: “Conquest”.

  31. Not even appeasement by the Socialist dhimmis in Norway can save them. Islam is a cancer. The only way to save the world is to wipe it out.

    1. I’m curious, how do you purpose to “wipe it out”? That’s an honest question, and I am looking for an honest answer.

      1. The Liberty of the Grace of God through the death of his son Jesus Christ.

        Muslims long to be reconciled to God. They recognize sin (“shirk”-in the above translation from google) in others. They strive to abstain from “shirk” in their own lives and they labor to balance the scales of divine justice in their own lives.

        The only answer for them is the same as the only answer for us. God forgives our sin because Jesus took all the weight of our sin onto his own scale. He was declared guilty on our behalf. He was sentenced to death on our behalf. He died and was buried, AND (hope of all hopes) God raised him from the dead. Any man who puts his trust in Him will not be put to shame. God has forgiven him and will raise him up on the last day by the same power with which God raised Jesus from the dead. Jesus will return to rule with righteous justice over a kingdom from Jerusalem that will reign over all the nations of the earth.

        Submitters to Allah are told:
        Jesus is not the son of God
        Jesus never claimed to be God.
        Jesus did not die—and therefore did not pay for our sins…we must pay for our own sins—the scales.
        Jesus will come back and fight for Submitters then leave so the Mhedi can rule over global Calipha

        This is a lie, and followers of Mohamed are deceived.

        How do we “wipe it out”? We don’t. But we can proclaim the Liberty a man can know in Jesus Christ. To these men who are imprisoned by Sharia Law, they can know freedom from the law of Sin and Death. They can be Liberated and reconciled to God by his Grace through faith in his Son.

        This Truth will offend the Submitters, as it has offended the religious law enforcers and been rejected by intellectuals for centuries.
        But it is this Truth that sets men FREE!

          1. Only you would be stupid enough to go on a dangerous missionary journey, unarmed and untrained. Jesus, Himself, told His Apostles not to go anywhere until they’d gotten themselves the DEADLIEST weapons of their time: swords. He ordered them to get themselves armed, even if they had to sell some of their possessions to do it. Servile, undermining wimps, like yourself, have always been there to whine and mumble about ‘stay out of here’, in every country, in the world. Now, in 2011, after listening to the blubbering of ‘guys’ like yourself, Christianity has a foothold in every country in the world, major and minor, even in Christ-hostile nations like Russia, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Egypt, Iran, etc. Go back and hide under your rock, and let the Soldiers do the real work. You can come out when all the heavy lifting is done, run in circles to break a sweat, and claim credit.

            1. LMAO!!!!! Go ahead VirusX, arm yourself, and go over there in the dessert and try to convert them, well see how your smart ass personalty works. You just like to talk big and watch someone else put their life on the line. You call me a wimp? Seriously, get a grip, or put your life on the line since your not a “wimp”.

                1. in a very different way. Its not like his goal was to convert muslims to Christianity. My only point is that they do not wish to be converted, nor would they allow someone to attempt to convert them. Setting up a missionary in the heart of a muslim country will lead to only violence. And then he says the missionaries should be armed. This just doesn’t make any sense.

                  I thank him for serving, but calling me a wimp because i said trying to convert them will lead to being shot, is ridiculous and just plain stupid.

                2. “I thank him for serving, but calling me a wimp because i said trying to convert them will lead to being shot, is ridiculous and just plain stupid.”

                  …and the days are fast approaching when you can try being so bold with other men, IN PERSON.

                  All else is breaking wind.

        1. So then you will be “rucking up” and leading the charge? Ever seen the “light of life” leave the eyes of another human being, a life which you have just extinguished? I have and I don’t recommend the experience.

          1. I trust your extinguishing experience was in war time, self-defense, or law enforcement. Please tell me you did not murder someone.

            1. I have done so at the behest of my country, as well as in the defense of myself and others as a civilian.

              1. Thank you for the clarification, and thank you for your willingness to defend me. Like Glenn Beck said with regard to the “Saving Private Ryan” scene, I will probably be the man on the stairs….but not for long. I hope to be Deitrich Bonhoffer long before the bullets start flying!

              2. Thank You for serving our country, ken.

                The reality is that if the American people and the people around the world don’t stand up to those whose goal it is to install Shari’a, they will be slaves to merciless dictators.

          2. Do you recommend the experience of seeing the light of life leave your son’s eyes because he refused to submit to sharia law?

            Do you recommend the experience of seeing little American girls married to adult fanatics? Of having your daughter forced to submit to FGM?

            Do you recommend the experience of being forced to bow to allah and pay the unbelievers tax, or being beaten, tortured, or executed for not doing so?

            Do you recommend the experience of giving up our Constitution for sharia law?

            I could go on, but my point is obvious. I doubt I’ll be leading any charges at 61 years old, with multiple health problems, but I’ll be waiting.

            Remember the Alamo.

            1. I suffer from no such moral dilemma as to ending a threat, and I have accepted the fact that I stand outside the “Grace of God” for my past actions and I will answer to God in the end. My point to you (and others) is to make sure you understand what you are asking others to do and to put at risk in your stead. As for myself I am under no delusions about mainstream Islam and Sharia law.

              1. Ken,
                The grace of God is this:

                Even if you killed Christians all day long, put them in prison, drove them out of their country, Christ died for every one of those infractions. It is already paid for. He has taken the penalty for EVERYTHING.

                That is why the Apostle Paul says this:
                This is a faithful saying and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief. 16 However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him for everlasting life.
                I Timothy 1:15-16

                Paul was the guy killing all the Christians after the stoning of Stephen. The risen and glorified Lord Jesus appeared to him saying: “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?”

                Killing people is not what keeps you separated from God. Paul is the example that Christ Jesus came in to the world to save sinners. Including the homicidal muslims. That doesn’t mean we have to stand by and let them kill us or our kin, but we can tell them the truth about Jesus or at least let people who are brave enough to Preach to them do so.

                You know how dedicated the Apostle Paul became to proclaiming the good news about forgiveness through the mercy of God. He endured stoning, beatings, hunger, shipwreck, and much more out of gratefulness and loving indebtedness to God for the forgiveness he himself had received.
                Consider how these blinded muslims will respond to Grace that forgives them.
                This is why RS posts all these Walid Shoebat clips. That is a man who saw the mercy of God and discovered he had been deceived and kept away from a understanding who Jesus really was.

                1. God spoke to Saul/Paul, He does not speak to me. Let’s just leave it at that shall we?

              2. Questions, not ad hominem. I did not attack you personally. Ad hominem is personally derogatory remarks, such as calling you a liar or stupid, or suggesting that you are a Muslim sympathizer, none of which I did.

                1. Sorry my slip up, that should have read “appeals to emotion” not “ad hominem”
                  comes from tracking too many threads at once.

            2. I don’t recommend that experience, and the odds of it ever happening in America are approximately one in f#cking never.

            3. I don’t recommend that experience, and the odds of it ever happening in America are approximately one in f#cking never.

            1. More of the same things I have done in the past without hesitation or pause. Is that clear enough? I made peace with it and accepted my lot some time ago.

      2. Here is my “honest” answer, which pertains to NA and Europe:
        1. stop all immigration from Moslem countries, includes foreign students
        2. anyone convicted, suspected or found aiding terrorism shall be deported, citizen or not
        3. ban the burqa altogether and ban the hijab for single females
        4. drill for oil at home and stop the dependency on OPEC blackmailers
        5. shut down all the mosques. Most of them advocate murder of Jews/Christians as per the Koran
        6. close down moslem schools, which are a breeding ground for terrorism
        7. the TSA MUST ENFORCE RACIAL PROFILING. Moslem men are commiting most of the world’s terrorism, not old white women in wheelchairs and children
        8. absolutely NO special treatment for Moslem customs, beliefs or practices, Islam thrives on fear and intimidation and knows the West is easily appeased
        In short, drive them out by intolerance, persecution, strength of will…just treat them the way they treat everyone else. The only way to rid cancer from the body is by killing it from within.

          1. And there is the heart of the problem – political correctness. It’s the key part of the leftists armoury in their battle against reality. You know, I used to live in London and some 20 or so years back the police recognised that most knife crimes were being committed by young black men – so they regularly stopped and searched young black men (crazy I know!). But then this was considered discrimination and politically incorrect, so random stop and searches were outlawed. Fast forward 20 years, most knife crime in the city is still committed by young black men but now, we also have gun crime again mostly committed by young black men. The overwhelming majority of victims of these crimes are black and the majority of them are young and men.

            I’m sure, given the statistics most black Londoners would go back to the days of random stop and search rather than these days of having their sons, nephews and brothers murdered.

            Similarly, pedophilia. In the UK except for the epidemic of muslim rape gangs that are operating in the North of the country, pedophillia is a middle aged white male crime. I’m sure that the police working on these cases use profiling and frankly I don’t want them to stop doing so – even though I fit that demographic.

        1. This is a darn good program. It might do the job as well as or better than annihilation. But the Muslims are not going to peacefully accept even this. They’ve gotten too strong here. It will require the enforcers to have rigid backbones. Still, it is a good program. If our government had done this, we’d have no problems or next to none.

        2. This is a darn good program. It might do the job as well as or better than annihilation. But the Muslims are not going to peacefully accept even this. They’ve gotten too strong here. It will require the enforcers to have rigid backbones. Still, it is a good program. If our government had done this, we’d have no problems or next to none.

          1. …if you’re statement refers to the “closing of all muslim schools” or ‘mosques’, then there is NO collation between doing so and doing ANY ‘damning’ of the 1st Amendment, or with our nation’s Constitutional system of governance.

            islam is, by its VERY NATURE and its EVERY statute, tenet AND declaration of purpose… ANTITHETICAL to EVERY single syllable of our form of government AND governance. It CANNOT coexist with ANY part of our Constitution or way of life. PERIOD.

            Our founders, as you well know my friend, held this gutless theocracy to be an easily discerned enemy of ALL they stood for, and everything they were giving their “lives… treasure… and sacred honor” to create (there are, as you know, several historical evidential references to support that fact… TRIPOLI, for starters). They KNEW that islam was NOT A RELIGION, but a filthy thugocracy.

            As you know, dear sir, I am NOT military (grew up in a Marine family). But yes, I have watched the “Light of Life” leave… many eyes, so your clear statements on the un-battle’d war-hungry rings very true. To put them all “to the sword” is neither practicable, nor is it possible (no one ever seems to mention the over 1 billion proponents of this sick filth… in Indonesia). And those who would simply “push a button” and turn the whole of that part of middle-Asia into a glass pit… are as gutless and useless to mankind as those they would so easily vaporize… WITHOUT PERSONAL RISK.

            But we CAN:

            1. Drive them from our shores
            2. Shot off EVERY tap of ‘black gold’ from their sandy fields to us (you know the figures, my friend. We receive proportionately LITTLE of our daily use needs for petroleum from these very enemies of our very existence… but proportionately, they have derives the VAST MAJORITY of their monetary ‘wealth’, and from that, their sickening influence in the world today… FROM US)
            3. Support, FULLY, FEROCIOUSLY our ALLY, Israel as they stand amongst the curs
            4. Support any/all European allies who find their spine, and begin to push them back into the sands from which they crawled
            5. DRILL BABY, DRILL… PROCESS BABY, PROCESS… SELL BABY, SELL… and drive their profit margins back into the 7th century

            Let them BE whatever filthy animal they have pursued being for almost 2 millennium… IN THE LITTLE SAND HOLE THEY’VE OCCUPIED since mohamud convinced the first mob of sick deviants to follow him.

            History is replete with times and instances where muslims have worked to ‘spread the message of allah’ into the world at large. NO ONE, not the Spaniards, not the Goths, not even Genghis, the Kan ‘wiped them out’ (he did send 2 MILLION to their virgins, during the sacking of Baghdad).

            …but time and time again, they HAVE been driven back into the holes from which they crawled. And each time, the WORLD KNEW PEACE (from their filthy, murderous ways) for generations at a time.

            Those who will go peaceably, I will say “Go.”

            Those who wish to stay and kill ‘infidels’… I will gladly introduce to allah, until they are gone, or I have gone Home.

            CM Sackett

            1. Make no mistake, dear friend, on just where I stand on all this ( I think you know), however Islam whether we like it or not “enjoys” the legal status as a recognized religion under our laws (sadly), and this is where we keep hitting the “snag” so to speak. We need to change the angle of attack, focus on attacking Sharia Law and the heinous practices it endorses. Focus on individuals/groups that advocate/plan/carry out violence against others,that funnel funds to terrorists and the use of “Black Ops” against these groups/individuals internationally. We, as a nation had been pretty successful going that route until the focus was shifted to Islam itself, at which point we handed them the “defense” of invoking the protections granted to all citizens under the First Amendment. This last “shift” was graciously provided by our current administration(deliberately or not, I have yet to discern for certain). My powder is dry and the knife and tomahawk are sharp and ready. Look to your right shoulder when the time comes, my friend and look for me there.
              Respect,
              Ken ( a temporary devil’s advocate)

              1. HAH! You are a Treasure, dear sir (and yep, no words needed between us… ).

                You are absolutely correct about the ‘angle of attack’ and its connection to our long-existant LAWS (not the recent-advent BS). That was an (unfortunately) unspoken component of “#1” I listed.

                The willfully and woefully ignorant among our citizenry will work tirelessly to scream their mantra that we are “not a Christian nation” (“Christian” in the sense of founding principles, original foundational system of Law, and historic moral premise… in ‘practice’, many of our citizenry have just as willfully FAILED in the practice of each).

                …these same ‘citizens’ are welcoming, with open arms and arrogant, angry glances over their small, weak shoulders at US… a group (islam is NOT a ‘nationality’ or ‘ethnicity’… it is SOLELY a wicked, gutless rapers’ club) that would most certainly, were WE not standing in the Gap… turn these ‘citizens’ into a ‘muslim’ nation.

                …or eradicate them.

                In MOST instances, it is our very JUDICIARY (not to be confused AT ALL with justice, OR LAW) that are serving as both the conduit AND lubricant for our current RAPID SLIDE INTO HELL.

                But I digress.

                And nossir, I shall NOT be looking over my shoulder for you.

                1. I know there is no need.
                2. I shall be EYES FORWARD… until I’m eyes-closed.

              2. “We need to change the angle of attack, focus on attacking Sharia Law and the heinous practices it endorses”

                Agreed. Most often we blame the people rather than the Law in which they were born into. We all need to work on changing that.

            2. ADDENDUM:

              In reference to SHUTTING OFF THE TAPS (from) these curs (and the concurrent double-barrel blast of reducing their remaining profit margins to NILL)… I submit the following:

              Sackett

          2. The question becomes does the freedom and expression of one group of people supersede the freedom and safety of all of the other groups of people in America?

            1. Trade a little security for a little freedom?
              Addendum: you need to more tightly define what you mean by “expression”.

            2. Trade a little security for a little freedom?
              Addendum: you need to more tightly define what you mean by “expression”.

              1. We have seen the effects of political correctness in our country, the question still remains, should one group of people that express a particular socio-political religious point of view that threatens our Constitution and freedom be given free leeway to do as they please in America?

                1. No one has “free leeway” to do as they please if it involves harm to another. Those that have perpetrated so-called honor killings have been prosecuted, and imprisoned. “Political Correctness” is a symptom of cowardice and only holds sway if you let it.
                  We have the right to speak our minds, that right extends to all Americans. While I view Islam as a hateful medieval ideology, Sharia Law as a barbaric heinous code that perpetrates violence, I find Neo-Nazism just as offensive and just as dangerous. In my view any Authoritarian philosophy, political or religious is something to be strenuously opposed, within our laws, failing that then and only then by force of arms. At this current point in time however, our own government is a greater threat to our Constitution and the sacred rights it enshrines than any Dark Ages theology ever could be.

                  A couple of thoughts in closing;
                  First a definition:
                  Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which puts forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.

                  Secondly, the best method I have ever heard for dealing with PC and life;
                  To ride, shoot straight and tell the truth.~Col.Jeff Cooper

                2. You mistake me for someone who is uninformed on Islam, Sharia, it’s tenets and history. As far as the Nazi’s of Germany and their alliance with Islam/Middle East states during WW2, besides being “old news” also has historic precedents in Imperial Germany’s alliance with the Ottoman Empire during the era leading up to and during the First World War. As to this “Muslim Leader Admits Islam Not a Religion of Peace”, I would again simply point to historic precedents, a documented trail of blood all the way back to Islam’s earliest days. I did not need to wait for some modern day Iman to confirm this for me, it is right there in the historical record, as well as the Koran/Quran (the Medina verses) and especially in the subsequent texts the Haddiths and Sunnahs, neither of which were written in Mohammed’s time and there is substantial evidence that they were not authored within living memory of him but are actually anecdotal.

          3. Listen, don’t pull that PC crap on me. I lived and travelled in the Middle East. I survived a homicide bombing in Tel Aviv. That guilt won’t work on someone who actually has a friggin clue. Moslem countries have constitutions too, including the apartheid Saudis (I have read their constitution, it has better use as toilet paper) They deserve NOTHING from us….nothing but humiliation, subjugation, force and riducule because that is what they to everyone that they infect in their own countries and the host countries that they latch on to. So go ahead, continue to view the world with rose-coloured glasses but please, keep your liberal, childish views to yourself or better yet, grow up. When you are ready to join the adult world, then we can talk. I am sick and tired of being told that “we are better than them” …yes we are, but if I am going to live in dhmitude and have my body blown to bits, I say SCREW BEING NICE. I would rather be alive and unpopular than dead and politically correct.

            1. PC? Since when is the Constitution PC? Our Constitution is antithesis of political correctness. As far as “guilt” I don’t recall laying any on you, I asked you a question on your position because that is what your statement suggests. So you’ve been to the M.E., well so have I, remember the barracks in Beirut? I helped pull a lot of my dead Brothers out of there, spent a good deal of time sitting between Israelies and Egyptians who really didn’t care too terribly much that we were there. You can take the rose colored glasses and shove them up your backside for all I care. If you think I’m a lib then you’ll need to move your head out of the way when you insert those glasses. I took an oath and I took it seriously then as well as now, a major part of that oath involved defending that document from ALL comers. When someone goes off half baked and suggests circumventing it, they are going to get confronted about it, don’t like it? Too bad, welcome to America.

            2. Evenin’ Lee,

              Before posting this, I just perused your post history (15-16 thus far). Nearly every post had my head shaking up-n-down in agreement, to one degree or another.

              But this post… you ain’t got a clue. You damn-sure don’t know a thing about my friend, Ken. NOTHIN’.

              I’ll leave it at that, for the time being.

              CM Sackett

        3. 1) I guess this is feasible but the last time we did this it didn’t work out too well (yellow scare!)
          2) You can’t deport a citizen – you realize that, right? Deportation implies sending someone to their home country – a citizen’s home country is here, so they’re our problem to deal with. Deporting them would just send them to the middle-east where they’d find sympathetic colleagues.
          3) I actually agree with the burqa since I abhor it, although the hijab doesn’t bother me, but the first amendment would get in the way.
          4) We don’t have enough oil even if we did drill. We should be throwing tons of money into researching alternative energy sources – something we’ve kicked down the road for decades.
          5) Not only is this not true, the first amendment is kind of designed to prevent this.
          6) See above
          7) Ehh…
          8) I’m okay with this.

    2. It is a pre-feudal theocracy that has been around 1400 years, essentially unchanged. I do not think it will be wiped out. In fact it is now on a growth path to wipe out Western Civilization, Christianity and Judaism. It will devolve every host it invades into what we see in Pakistan, Iran and Egypt

      Oil revenue let isalm out of its middle east bottle. Those whose goal is global governance, also align well with islamofacism. Western countries’ false hope of appeasement to avoid terrorist attacks and to gain favor in securing oil, has allowed islam to gain a foothold and start devouring its hosts.

      All we can do is starve it, shrink it and contain it. First we have to call islam out as our enemy. We have not – we are too afraid and politically correct to do that. Then, we have to gain energy independence, defend our Constitution, build back our Judeo-Christian values, and exorcise ourselves of islam’s enablers within. That could be a start.

    3. It was a white Norwegian right-winger just like Timothy McVeigh.

      You must be so disappointed.

    4. It was a white Norwegian right-winger just like Timothy McVeigh.

      Boy that sure puts a big crimp in your biogted narrartive.

  32. What will it take before free nations will declare war on isalm instead of on its terrorists?

    1. Declaring war on an ideology? War involves bullets, bombs, and people. Wars seldom “kill” ideologies, they often tend to have the opposite effect. A solution to this problem is not an easy one or something to be considered lightly, it will not be solved so easily as Alexander’s solution to the Gordian Knot.

      1. If you kill enough of the adherents of the ideology, it works just fine. They’re using that technique on us with excellent results, because we won’t fight back. Not that hard to understand in America, where we have a Muslim sympathizer in the White House and a bunch of brain-dead liberals tolerating everything except the things that made America great.

        1. So you believe if we send in the troops, guns blazing and “kill’em all” that will resolve the issue? History puts your “theory” in doubt, besides most westerners do not have the spine or stomach for total war, and most advocating it have never “tasted” battle.

          1. It would be a very costly and seemingly never ending war. Yet, when we look at the history of WW2, we may not have been able to destroy the nazi ideology but we did do enough damage to stop its ability to damage and conquer other nations.

            The way this was possible was nations came together, agreed that the Nazi ideology was a threat to everyone, and wiped the majority out.

            1. It IS a very costly and seemingly never-ending war. And we haven’t seen anywhere near the greatest cost yet. The longer a cancer grows, the less likely that any treatment will save the patient.

              If we wait for other nations, we’ll still be waiting when the moon and palm fly over the White House. Mark Steyn had it right: “America Alone”.

              1. As a Brit living in the Europe that Mark Steyn so accurately described in ”America Alone” I have to agree with you. It’s only a matter of time before America has a real immigration problem with Europeans fleeing the new caliphate.

                1. I am saddened to see what has happened in Great Britain and Europe and unless Americans wises up, we will have it in America, as well.

                2. Now THAT would be a welcome “problem”. It seems to me that anyone fleeing Islam is not likely to be an enemy of America.

              2. “America Alone” would not have been able to stop the Nazis, and if we could have it would have cost us thousands of more lives and billions more in funding. Fighting a war in which the enemy is the enemy to other nations, should involve those other nations. Its not like by having allies we would be less sufficient. Plus, by having other nations involved it clarifies to the rest of the world that this is not a war between america and radical islamists, but the world vs radical islamists.

                1. At the moment, few other nations’ leaders are even willing to admit that they HAVE a problem, much less admit the extreme degree of danger and prepare to deal with it, much less actually deal with it. And they are much closer to being pulled under than we are.

                  They had to start fighting the Nazis long before we got into the war. If they’d waited for us, they’d be holding Oktoberfests right now.

                  Yes, it is like we’d be less sufficient by having allies. It was America’s economic strength and manufacturing ability as much as our troops that helped the allies win WW1 andWW2. We’d be carrying them now just like we did then. Only this time we don’t have the economic or manufacturing muscle to do it. Our own idiot leaders have seen to that. We will be pulling off a miracle if we can even save America.

                  If America waits for other nations, the global caliphate is much more likely to include us and to be successful world-wide.

                  If America acts, maybe others will have the courage to follow and save their own nations. They’d better, because we can’t carry the world on our shoulders any longer. The whole world is about to find that out the hard way.

                  It is not possible to clarify to the rest of the world something that the Global PC Epidemic and their own weak spines forbid them to acknowledge. (In referring to weak spines, I’m talking mostly about “leaders” here. The general population in many areas knows there is a problem and acknowledges it.)

                  If we want to survive, we have to take responsibility for ourselves and stop worrying about whether anyone else approves. If I remember correctly, King George didn’t approve of the Declaration of Independence.

                  It’s true that the American colonists put up with a lot before they told King George that he wasn’t welcome anymore. IMHO, we have already put up with far, far more than enough to make it perfectly clear to any unfettered, sober mid of even average intelligence that Islam is at war with us, and will be satisfied with nothing less than the total annihilation of all religions and governments other than the global Islamic caliphate. IMHO Islamics themselves have given us reason and permission to act.

            2. Unfortunately, an ideology and a religion are two very different things – people can be ‘disuaded’ from an ideology through total war, whereas that just wouldn’t work with people convinced that their death will result in an instant trip to 72 virgin heaven. Even forgetting the ridiculous and base promises of the Islamic afterlife, how would the religious people who post on this forum react to a their host nation declaring war on Christianity and going on the offensive? I think people who have never acted violently in their lives would defend themselves, their loved ones & their religion with their lives. I have to agree with Ken.

              What disgusts me is that we have to even have these discussions now AFTER inviting the entire islamic world to live in the West. Any policies designed to curtail this death cult are going to become increasingly more difficult to implement with threats of repurcussions from home grown terrorists.

              It’s a bloody mess, I’m just glad my ancestors aren’t around to see what my generation have done to the country they fought and died for.

              1. I guess the first step would be in clarifying what Islam is. Islam is not about having a closer relationship with God, its about serving him by killing, stealing, cheating, anyone else who isn’t Muslim. Therefore Islam is not a religion, its a means to conquer governments, people, and land.

            3. We scattered it, but it is far from wiped out. However, you seem to have gotten the gist of my point, that it would require a world war, a religious war to accomplish the “end game” of “wiping out” an ideology. Most of those calling for this do not understand what is involved in such an action. So I will elucidate for others who may also be reading this.
              Total war on this ideology would require that ALL adherents to that ideology be “put to the sword”, I mean ALL, men, women, and children without mercy or consideration. Children are ideological innocents, they follow the ideology of the parents and their society with blind unquestioning innocence, could those here (calling for these actions) square killing them with their conscience and stand before God and boldly take the responsibility for their actions? Would they shoulder the responsibility and the eternal consequences for such actions? Ever wonder why many combat veterans have so much trouble coming back into civilian society? Killing other human beings (especially innocents) contradicts the moral teachings of our predominately Christian society. We look upon killing people as a Mortal Sin, we are taught this from childhood, and when asked to carry this action out it creates an all consuming mental paradox, which then leads those of us that deal with this to either plunge into faith seeking absolution or to conclude that we are now beyond the grace of God and go into the wilderness. This subject is not unknown in Biblical texts you can find mention of it in Joshua (If memory serves). My overarching point in asking my original question was to find out if those advocating such an action are aware of the “burden”, they ask those who will be carrying out said action, to bear?

                1. I say, the longer we recognize this CIA run terrorist ring front as the real problem, we will never see the real problem.

              1. Can we note that what you’re describing is essentially a second holocaust with us as the perpetrators? I know that’s kind of what you’re getting at, but I think that point needs to be made abundantly clear to people who blindly advocate “wiping out” Islam.

                1. I think it’s pretty obvious. Wars involving religious ideologies tend to go that way.

                2. Good point KM. We have a very real war being lodged against us in our own country that requires are attention and action.

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              2. I agree that fighting wars around the world is futile. However we can and must defend our own country from those factions that wish to destroy us and put Political Correctness aside.

                1. Can we not do that at home while protecting our freedoms, rather than stripping our freedoms while conquering nations?

            4. The WWII was a war against national forces, The Sosial Nationalism, therefore it was a war against the countries or political groups supporting the ideology, but in that specific case the ideology was tightly bound to the nation and it’s ideals. That is why that “victory” had such an impact on nazism.

              1. Another reason why we should call out those political parties, governments, agencies, etc. that participate or help with radical islamists and their agenda.

                1. Our government helps them. Maybe we should start there, before we go into yet another country.

              2. I often wonder what people in other nations consider us to be. Social Nationalists wouldn’t be an extreme thought. We go to war as Nationalist supporters for the USA, and we conquer sovereign nations based on a few supposed terrorists. We send in supplies to help Al Qaeda rebels in Libya conquer their government while bombing the crap out of them, all the while calling it a kinetic military action. It probably seems like war to them.

                How do you have a positive impact against an Islamic ideology with such reckless abandon toward other people’s lives and a country’s sovereignty? You can’t, and we have been doing this for sixty years in the middle east. At least.

                We have been using false flag incidents, covert overthrows, dictator support, and many other evil things against “the people” of these countries for a long time. If there is a grass roots Islamic terrorist threat, it is fueled by our actions over a long period of time, and I actually can’t blame them for hating us. We are not a righteous acting country any longer. We are tyrants around the world, and the tyranny is coming home to roost. (Patriot Act, TSA, Homeland Security, etc)

                If “the people” of America got together with “the people” of the middle east, we could actually unite against the tyrants running both regions of the world. United we stand, divided we fall. We need to quit taking sides in the US and reject the left and the right.

                Then kick these war mongering central bank supporting pieces of crap out of power and in to a war crimes tribunal, then prison.

                1. This is not a good idea. Most of the people in the Middle East are not fighting for freedom they are fighting to install the brotherhood….

                2. They are not fighting for freedom as we see it, but I believe that they are interested in having sovereignty. The regimes in control now are those that we secured. Including Egypt and Libya. We support the brotherhood, the Taliban, and Al Quaeda. I know that we actually funded and helped create the Taliban and Al Queada. Don’t know much about the roots of the Brotherhood.

                  I wasn’t really referring to the established power structure, as much as I was the poor suckers getting their doors kicked in by American troops and having their families shot by accident, while our planes bomb weddings and the like.

            5. No this was possible because the Nazi Ideology consolidated power into a single location under a single ruler that could be targeted by a military force

              People and Nations can be targets, idea’s can not.

              Islam is very must decentralized, so drawing parallels between the fight agaist Nazi’s or Communism and Terrorism is very naive. The former has/had very centralized power bases and clear chains of command. With Islam/Terror there are 100’s, 1,000’s or 1,000,000’s of control centers, making it almost impossible to eradicate.

              The problem in EU Nation and starting to become a problem in here is they are allowing States with in States, Secondary Legal Systems, different Laws, and have been scared to stand up for Liberty in the face of Terrorism. Every time a terror attacks get people to change laws and give up freedom, every time a threat gets a a newspaper to self censor, every time a judge or legislation change a rule because we dont want to offend Muslims, the terrorist win, and they are encouraged to continue.

              Until such time that people grow a spine and are willing to stand and say “You may Kill me but you will never take my freedom” the Terrorists will win.

            6. No this was possible because the Nazi Ideology consolidated power into a single location under a single ruler that could be targeted by a military force

              People and Nations can be targets, idea’s can not.

              Islam is very must decentralized, so drawing parallels between the fight agaist Nazi’s or Communism and Terrorism is very naive. The former has/had very centralized power bases and clear chains of command. With Islam/Terror there are 100’s, 1,000’s or 1,000,000’s of control centers, making it almost impossible to eradicate.

              The problem in EU Nation and starting to become a problem in here is they are allowing States with in States, Secondary Legal Systems, different Laws, and have been scared to stand up for Liberty in the face of Terrorism. Every time a terror attacks get people to change laws and give up freedom, every time a threat gets a a newspaper to self censor, every time a judge or legislation change a rule because we dont want to offend Muslims, the terrorist win, and they are encouraged to continue.

              Until such time that people grow a spine and are willing to stand and say “You may Kill me but you will never take my freedom” the Terrorists will win.

            7. Nazi ideology was the governing body of Germany. Islam is a religion with 1.5 billion adherents.

              Apples and oranges.

            8. Anyone that has tasted war, knows how ugly and devastating it is so they want to explore all other non-violent options.

              However, realistically the other nations will not come together to stop violent Islam. So we as a nation have to decide if we will defend our country or we will become slaves? The writing is on the wall.

            9. Who funded both sides of that war? We need to look beyond the terrorism, and the ideology. The whole thing is just business as usual for global controllers. False flags do exist, and not just in America with ‘fast and furious” and others.

          2. The argument for execution used to be prevention: no one executed ever commits another crime. Ditto for fanatics: dead ones never commit another atrocity.

            Do westerners have the stomach for dhimmitude? For endless mass murders? True for me, I have never “tasted” battle, or dhimmitude. If I had to choose, I’d choose battle. Somehow I don’t think I’d be willing to adapt to life on my knees. Only in prayer, and not then to allah.

          3. You need to hear Michelle Malkin recount the history of Charles “The Hammer” Martel. When faced with an invading force bent on your annihilation or subjugation, then defense with extreme prejudice has been proven effective. History proves that part of the theory. The trick is: getting the warriors of Allah to fight in the open.

            You do realize that this is 9/11 for Norway. I guess we can interpret this as the muslim world’s current stand on the Oslo accord.

            Waiting for the condemnation from the muslim world……..waiting………..waiting

            1. I am very familiar with Martel, I have been a lifelong student of History with an emphasis on Military History. Martel was facing an organized military force on the battlefield, on his own soil, we do not enjoy that same luxury in this fight. As for comdemnation from the Muslim world, don’t hold your breath as the minority that would do so know they would be killed by the majority for even suggesting it.

            2. Waiting for you to apologize to Muslims for your knee-jerk bigotry……..waiting………..waiting

          4. The first thing to do is get rid of the commie influence in our own culture; the one that teaches violence is never the answer. Bullsh1t – in some cases, it is the only answer.

            The Crusades beat back the muzzies.

            To hell with ideology; it’s time to declare war on muslims, just like they make war on us. Let the people remove them from their own communities.

            Once you realize that they want your submission or your head, it’s pretty easy to reconcile total war on the animals.

      2. The Crusades beat back the muzzies.

        To hell with the ideology. It’s time to declare war on MUSLIMS. Men, women, children, cats, dogs, goats. Yes, it’s barbaric, but barbarians can understand that. Kill enough of them and they will piss off back to their litterboxes, having been burnt by the pretty western fire. They use our mercy and compassion against us, and I for one am SICK of hearing about infidels killed by these fking animals.

        Baby cancer cells are innocent, too, right?

        1. Actually, the crusades ended in a stalemate, they failed and merely “kicked the can down the road”.

    2. A nation who practices freedom, and promotes it by leaving others to their own vices until it comes to their land, don’t need to worry about this kind of threat.

      We do need to worry, and not just about terrorists abroad, but terrorists at home. (lawmakers and world government pushers)

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