The Daily Mail says Trump is LYING to us about the border wall, but are they right?

The Daily Mail hit Trump today claiming that he’s been lying to us all along, that zero new walls have been built since he’s been president:

To back up their claim, they quote the CBP:

The United States government has built no new border walls during the Trump administration, U.S. Customs and Border Protection confirmed exclusively to DailyMail.com on Thursday.

Border barriers erected between the U.S. and Mexico since Inauguration Day 2017 have consisted of supplements to existing walls and replacements for outmoded or decrepit sections.

‘The first new wall project, where no barrier currently exists, is anticipated to start in April,’ CBP spokesman Roger Maier said in an email. He identified Hidalgo County as the construction project’s location, a border zone along a meandering 50-mile stretch of the Rio Grande.

CBP said last year that it was ‘designing and constructing approximately 25 miles of levee wall system’ in that county, whose anchor is the the border city of McAllen.

Then they quote Trump supposedly ‘lying’ about the wall in the very next paragraph:

President Donald Trump visited McAllen on January 11, boasting of wall renovations that he framed as ‘new’ construction. ‘I will say, we’ve done a lot of renovation. And we have a lot of new wall going up where we took down wall because it was in such bad shape, and we put new wall up,’ he said.

They say he’s framing this as ‘new wall’.

I do not understand this complaint. Trump clearly points out that this is new wall renovation, not completely new wall where there is none. He literally says "...we took down wall because it was in such bad shape, and we put new wall up."

But the Daily Mail spins this as him lying about putting up a new wall? That’s the hackiest job I’ve ever seen from the Daily Mail.

 
And then there’s this tweet from Trump from back in January:

Here’s what they write:

Some of Trump’s claims about his construction described sections of border wall where none existed before.

In January he tweeted a complaint that ‘[t]he Fake News Media keeps saying we haven’t built any NEW WALL.’

He provided a photograph of a section of border wall, saying: ‘Below is a section just completed on the Border. Anti-climbing feature included. Very high, strong and beautiful! Also, many miles already renovated and in service!’

Trump didn’t say where the photo was taken, but a date-stamp indicated it was created in October.

Look I’ll be the first to admit that Trump has never been a precision speaker. He’s quite often ambiguous in the way that he communicates and this is nothing new. Could he do a better job? Absolutely.

But he doesn’t claim this is new wall where none have ever existed, as the Daily Mail claims.

Just because he calls it ‘new wall’ doesn’t mean it can’t be renovation. In fact he says in the tweet that many miles have already been ‘renovated’, referring to what he shows in the picture. He puts the ‘renovated’ phrasing after the word ‘also’, so it kinda sounds like he’s talking about something else. But I think it’s really all the same thing.



To pony this up as a lie is ridiculous in my opinion.

In most cases when Trump mentions building a ‘new wall’, he mentions that they are renovations.

 
They quote other tweets that I’ll briefly dissect:


“Major sections of wall are being built and renovated”.

How is this not true? They build major new sections to renovate older sections.

 
And…


Trump is clearly talking about the big caravan in Tijuana, the one that tried to invade the border by force a couple weeks beforehand.

 
And…

Here he doesn’t mention this is renovation. Should he have been more clear about this? Absolutely. Hitting him for this one being confusing I kinda get. But it’s still a new wall replacing an old wall, so it’s not technically wrong.

The bottom line is that while Trump could be more clear at times, he was clear in some of the examples used by the Daily Mail.

For them to concoct a headline like they did make this far more of a ‘hit piece’ than anything else. They seriously need to do a better job.

Also just to emphasize, the project of building a new wall where none exists is slated to start next month, according to the CBP in the first quote at the top.

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H2O
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Yup. If a Republican or conservative speaks, they had better be “precise”. Otherwise, the meaning of their words will be twisted into something that it isn’t. Well, don’t worry about being precise. With precise language, the left-wing media simply will not report it. For example, AG Barr’s comments that Trump’s emergency declaration was legal and within the powers granted to him by the 1976 statute passed by congress and signed into LAW. Hmm. They didn’t want their ignorant left-wing idiot audiences knowing that Trump was, gasp!, following the law. Therefore, it never happened! They simply didn’t report it as if it didn’t exist! Nice.

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There’s so much negative news these days. Be it real, blatant lies or just someone’s opinion, I sometimes want to throw this computer, all radios and TV’s in the trash and do a Forrest Gump and just take off running.
I damn near broke my right hand today at work by getting in a hurry. Who’s fault is it? Certainly not my fault………….

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When you get to that part where you sort of invent the “smiley face” … don’t.

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I’m in the same boat, I changed my ways First turn off the radio and tv. Then limit your internet, I scanned but didn’t involve my time, just enough to know what was going on. Kind of like a drying out period You will be amazed how much better you feel. I still scan now but RS is only one now I spend time reading and commenting. TV at the most I last half hour, that’s enough to get my blood pressure going. Radio, I quit all talk radio, just music, my productivity increased. I’m not surrendering but not letting these lowlifes win by boiling me over

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I guess I am confused, I always thought he was talking about replacing worn out sections (which to me is as necessary as new wall!)

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Ironically, The media picked the wrong example to try to prove Trump wasn’t being truthful. In this context he was.

Trump said he was “replacing wall” with “New(er) Walls.”

What remains a LIE is when a trumpster suggests that Walls are being built where no Walls existed, because there’s been NO money appropriated for it. Trump too has hinted as much, as recently as his tweet attacking Ann Coulter and it’s a LIE.

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What remains a LIE is when a trumpster suggests that Walls are being built where no Walls existed, because there’s been NO money appropriated for it.

That’s a strange lie you’re making.

Especially given that no one called any of it a “wall” before Trump, and what Trump had them build definitely qualifies as a wall.

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My understanding from CBP was a newer section (where no wall existed before) will begin in April.

Money appropriated
Money from the new budget & any money left over from the previous budget will be withheld til certain reports are received from DHS. The DHS report only applies to 5 cities.

There is also a “no build” zone in certain areas. Can’t name them off hand but I think it was Page 40-41 of the new bill.

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You’re absolutely correct, SAM. NEW WALLS will begin in April. That means NO NEW WALLS have YET been built, otherwise the CBP wouldn’t refer to it as “the FIRST NEW WALL PROJECT,” RIGHT? There HAS been money recently appropriated for the NEW WALLS in APRIL, but NONE, ZERO, ZIP, NADA, NO MONEY has been appropriated for NEW Wall construction prior, yet Trump has suggested there has, again, as recently as his tweet below attacking Coulter. Trump: “Wacky Nut Job @AnnCoulter, who still hasn’t figured out that, despite all odds and an entire Democrat Party of Far Left Radicals against me (not to mention certain Republicans who are sadly unwilling to fight), I am winning on the Border. Major sections of Wall are being built AND renovated.” But nothing stops trumpsters like the one above from calling ME a liar while he twists himself in a pretzel to defend Trump’s lies,… Read more »

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From what BP issued, I believe 34? Miles replacement was done in 2017 & now 27.9 miles in 2018. A “Republican Congress” put restrictions, (imagine that), but still it had to be repaired/replaced so…on to new area now. The Feb budget authorized 55 miles of completely new barriers. I Can’t even remember if that was part of the restricted area now. I’ve jumped back & forth so many times trying to confirm things I’m getting dizzy. I wish Trump would simply tell us what’s done (been replaced) & the next areas to be done. I hate the misleading info/photos he throws around, drives me crazy. And the constant bragging might drive me to drinking yet. Lol. That guy doesn’t have an ounce of humble! Did you know BP, contractors, etc were issued a document & told not to give any info out to landowners, reporters, etc? There was a standard… Read more »

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Yes, there’s no “humble” there. And the RiNO’s in DC are as loathsome as any Democrat, perhaps worse since they’re lying about their true political ideology.

There was a DHS spokesperson that made a claim that was reported on Breitbart that NEW Wall construction had already begun.

That claim was debunked.

As you said, all previous appropriations have been to repair existing fencing / barriers.

I believe the US Customs and Border Patrol on this, and I’ve no reason NOT to. I think CBP would report NEW Walls already under construction, don’t you?

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While I’m a nobody and I don’t really know, I will say that it seems like Trump is the ONLY one who really wants a big, new wall in our government. And if he’s caught lying about this, if the billions of dollars (for the wall) disappear like obama used to do with Tarp funds, I dare say, people would want to lynch him. So for now, I truly believe he’s going about the peoples’ business and trying to do the right things – no matter how ineloquently he communicates that. He needs to work on that.

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Exactly. He’s totally boxed himself in so that he has no choice but to build it. Not doing it would be a bomb that would make GHWBush’s “read my lips” statement look like a birthday candle by comparison.

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I sold my house in 2016. Shortly after that heavy equipment was brought in and the house was knocked down, the lot scrapped clean and a new house built on the lot. But it’s a not new house because it wasn’t built where none existed before.

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But back when the buyers bought your old house, I bet they told people that they bought a new house.

Trex
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Or, that they bought a manufactured crisis.

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Must have been some house.

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TDS.

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FFS.

*gets in car*

Apparently I’m going to have to go verify this for myself.

God I hate everything.

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Get me three carne asada street tacos and a churro please.

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You got it buddy. Guacamole or crema? Or both?

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Guac and salsa, por favor.

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The only thing I take issue with in the above tweets:

Despite the large Caravans that WERE forming and heading to our Country, people have not been able to get through our newly built Walls, makeshift Walls & Fences, or Border Patrol Officers & Military. They are now staying in Mexico or going back to their original countries…….

That is a flat out lie, these invaders ARE entering our country.

Just since December 21, DHS has been forced to release 84,500 illegal aliens from Central American family units: 14,500 were in the Phoenix area, 37,500 in south Texas, 24,000 in El Paso, and 8,500 in San Diego, according to the Arizona Republic. Many of the ones dropped off this past weekend in Phoenix were in the country for less than 24 hours. .

Border Patrol reported 66,000 “entered” in Feb 2019. These INVADERS are NOT in custody.

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Avatarsam We had the graph here a while back that proved that the new barriers cut border crossings significantly.

It’s not a light switch. Illegal crossing ON, illegal crossing OFF.

It just solves the problem of the border being too easy to cross.

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My issue isn’t with the barriers, BP, military or whatever. My disagreement is…these people ARE entering the US & being released. BP has even confirmed their hands are tied.. (I believe it was in a response to the ICE letter, but don’t quote me on it).

This is ALL on Congress, no one else. Just don’t report NO ONE is entering when they in fact are.

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Avatarsam Why would anyone take the statement that Trump made as saying nobody got through anywhere? He was pretty specific to indicate that nobody got through the new barriers or past the Border Patrol.

Obviously they got in elsewhere.

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Ok, Did I say a damn thing about the barriers, etc not being effective in my comment or do you just like arguing about dumb stuff?

The “illusion” is that these invaders are NOT entering the US & you want to argue about where they entered. Yup, ok.

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You chose to interpret Trump’s remarks to mean no one entered at all, anywhere. Not me.

That’s clearly not what he said.

You’re the one inventing the “dumb stuff.” Again, what is with all this quibbling? Are you just determined to paint Trump as a failure, no matter what?

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Im not the one with the problem k-bob, but seeing as you have access to everyone’s comments, why not check mine out. I’ve been fair to Trump when he deserves it. Have I bitched about the wall….NO, I said a long time ago that BP should be in charge of where it goes & what style. Do I like Trumps style/delivery…NO. Do I like his constant bragging, exaggeration, misleading, statements flip flopping ….NO. Have I stated on here that he actually sounded Presidential at times…YES Have I stated on here that if he would just cut out the bullshit, exaggerations & bragging he’d probably have 80% approval, including me, instead of 40 something…YES Do I “hate” him….NO..but of course those who see no faults with him call us haters, which is BS & ridiculous. Take for instance, you. I argue with you, not because I hate you. It’s because we… Read more »

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is the leader of the border patrol lying also? Is the leader of ICE lying? No, none of these are lying. However the media and the democrats, along with several never trump republicans are lying. How sad!

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Listen, “replacement” barriers, as Border Patrol called them in their document of March 6, 2019 have gone up & been “completed” in 2018.
Replacement/new, seriously who cares….it’s up & functioning as intended.

I’ve posted several times already new contracts awarded, complete with start date, location & number of miles.

Also, land acquisition, surveying is going on in other areas. These things take a major amount of time, way more time than the actual construction.
So is work going ahead, yes.

Could Trump be more clear, absolutely, but his whole way of operating is through exaggeration..

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Yeah, they just want it to be a lie so bad, they had to twist and turn in an attempt to discredit what trump has said. I don’t see this as trump lying at all.

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Fill in the blank: “We’re going to tear down the OLD wall and replace it with a ____ wall.”
However, I don’t think that Trump has always been as clear as he was in the above quotes/tweets…

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Less old?

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Personally, I don’t care whether the wall being built is new from scratch, replacing old wall, or re-enforcing and updating an existing wall. It’s all semantics. Just get the durn thing built!

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Trump lie? That’s impossible!

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AvatarDinoDoc Not impossible, as we know, but not about this. He is building new wall even if it is replacement. If I put a new roof on my house, it’s new even though it would be replaced.

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But the Trump haters are paragons of virtue, and haven’t been called out here several times for lying at all, right?

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Figures. We’ve had Trump-obsessed folks coming here in almost every “wall” thread trying to make the same point. Anyone I’ve ever known, seen on HGTV, or heard about from my friends, who has torn down the old house on their lot and built a new one… they call it their “new” house. They don’t say, “It’s my replacement house.” Same for any new construction. It’s most salient feature is that it’s (wait for it…) new. And that levee project: it was major reconstruction. They had to dig way down, pour a pad underneath the levee, add a vertical, undergrade wall, and then top *that* with the new bollard wall. So trying to sell that as, “Just a replacement,” is garbage. It would not have happened if not for Trump. There’s no way Hillary was going to replace an inch of the crumbling, non-effective fencing already in place. She would have… Read more »

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AvatarK-Bob I came here specifically to see what you had to say! wink

Correct me if I’m wrong (I’m sure you will), but without going back to old threads and Disqus, I seem to recall people (myself included) making the the same argument that you and Scoop are making here now with you still insisting then that we were incorrect and that there was actuality NEW new wall going up where none had been before…???

OK let me have it.

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Matty, I “think” the Admins hands were tied on all NEW barrier construction because CONGRESS applied restrictions that it had to be “replacement”.

This (to me) meant no new AREA. Buying the new areas of land, surveying, etc were still all ongoing.

K-Bob can probably fill in more on this, but it was CONGRESS that restricted the location.

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Hey Avatarsam! I seem to remember, though, that K-Bob was insisting that there really had been construction on entirely new stretches of wall. hmm

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Yes, I think you’re right Matty. I did have a disagreement with him last week when I reported that only 27.9 miles of replacement had been COMPLETED in 2018. He said I was reporting “replacement” garbage from someone with an axe to grind.

My reporting was accurate & from the CBP.

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Avatarsam I’ve found that 3 replacement projects had been completed in 2018: 2.25 miles in Calexico, 4 miles in El Paso, and 20 miles in Santa Teresa, NM. https://www.azcentral.com/story/news/politics/border-issues/2018/12/26/heres-where-donald-trumps-border-barriers-built-2019/2389940002/

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This is BP official Report of miles “completed” in 2018 – page 9

Issued March 6, 2019

https://www.cbp.gov/sites/default/files/assets/documents/2019-Mar/CBP-Border-Security-Report-FY2018.pdf

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So was mine. I posted the links back when we tangled on this before we moved to Disqus. The Border Patrol declared it was working on NEW barrier, as part of a NEW, 120+ mile section due to be complete this year.

It was already under construction in 2018.

THAT’S what the Border Patrol said. We discussed it thoroughly here, back then.

And they’ve continued work on that section ever since.

The argument is over. They built, and are building new barrier.

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“The argument is over.” Is that like climate change is “settled science,” K-Bob? grin

From today at the Daily Wire:
“Border Patrol: No, We Haven’t Built Any New Wall, But That’s About To Change”
https://www.dailywire.com/news/44722/border-patrol-no-we-havent-built-any-new-wall-james-barrett

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Thanks Matty. This is the section that really caught my eye.

The first new wall project, where no barrier currently exists, is anticipated to start in April in Hidalgo County of the Rio Grande Valley Sector.

— U.S. Customs and Border Protection spokesman Roger Maier

Like I said before, I’ve listed the contracts & dates they start, etc which would be categorized as “under construction”.

MY POST was about COMPLETED miles for 2018 which for some reason causes a slight disagreement with K-Bob.
Go figure!!

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Sure. Climate change alarmism is just like how many miles of barrier has been built. Go with that. So you’re back to declaring anything that can be viewed as “replacement” cannot be new (a very pointless claim), and the CBP spokesman has contradicted the claims I posted before about 120 miles of new barrier. Well it turns out it was a DHS spokesman making the 120 miles claim. I posted that link three times before. I’ll post it again: “We’re building wall right now,” Waldman said. “By the end of Fiscal [Year] 2019, we’ll have built over 120 miles of new wall. That’s a start Look, it’s clear you think quibbling over the definition of “new” will move some ball in whatever side game you think is going on. The reality is that new wall is up. New wall is already under construction per the DHS statement, and new wall… Read more »

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And I didn’t take issue with your post did I.

YOU’RE having a problem with my post because you’re failing to take into consideration (I’ve even highlighted it for you) COMPLETED construction.

Don’t accuse me of being a naysayer when I’ve posted the contracts, date construction is to start, miles & location as well as land purchases & surveying that is ongoing.

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Of course, I posted articles about completed wall, as well. The Texas newspapers have been pretty good about all of this.

I don’t get this quibbling.

New wall was built.
New wall is being built.
New wall will continue being built. Money has been appropriated.
Money has been re-designated, and earlier appropriations and projects are being completed. New zones have been through the eminent domain process. The survey process, and early staging. More funding will be allocated in the next Budget Resolution.

It’s not stopping just because people want to quibble over what to call it.

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As I recall, “I” wasn’t the one quibbling. I posted factual information. Spamming & trolling isn’t my thing (whatever those are) & I don’t like being accused of it.

How about a truce?

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Fine with me. Ignore my other response today.

I’m not cheerleading for Trump. If he screws this up, he’s toast. I wish I could drive down there myself.

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I already posted a reply before I got this, but yeah ok, truce.

I don’t mind your comments. We’re on the same side, just differing opinions.

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When we discussed it before, I posted the links to the Border Patrol agency claiming that brand new wall was built, and over 120 brand new miles was already under construction, and would be completed this year. I posted it several times. I’m not going to go dig it up again. It’s a done deal. New wall was built in 2018. New wall continued being built while people were here in January and February telling us it wasn’t, and it’s still being built, RFN, in March. As far as I’m concerned, it’s time for the naysayers to go try and outperform the work of the Texas Tribune and Texas Observer reporters, who have put up several stories following the eminent domain court cases and filings, the mapping of border barriers, the descriptions of the various barrier sections, and all of the new construction. The naysayers need to step up and… Read more »

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Daily Mail: Published in a country where they allow Muslim invaders to flood in and who’s biggest city has a Muslim mayor who is now banning “long kitchen knives” because people are getting their throats slit and their people are being attacked.

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Sorry, but tearing down old barriers that did nothing and replacing them with a giant wall is in fact building new walls. If I replace an old rotted fence around my home and put up a new one that is bigger and stronger…it’s called…building a new one. Thank you president Trump for doing this. Screw these good for nothing leftists and their lies and rhetoric.

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You are correct , just like you tear down a old run down house and build a new one, it’s a new house not a renovated house. Big difference but these fools in the media don’t know or they don’t want to know. Just like going down to the border and investigating if a wall is being put up and last thing they want to see is a wall. So they sit in their office and say there’s no wall, they’re not lying in their mind because they haven’t seen one.

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Press. Trump could find a cure for cancer and the demon-Rats/media would say he’s trying to kill people.

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I’m beyond sick of the media and the serious TDS they suffer from. I remember my dad who passed away 19 years ago saying the media is so corrupt, he would be sickened to see just how corrupt they are now. Why don’t the daily mail send someone to ask the workers there if a wall is being built or repaired, idiots. bam

OT but I was reading that stolen Valor Blumenthal made this comment.
Sen. Richard Blumenthal on Friday blamed rhetoric from President Trump and his supporters for the mass shooting in New Zealand that took the lives of 49 people.

What a pathetic fool he is.

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He is! It’s all so beyond disgusting.

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mslibertymsliberty each day it gets worse.

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Proud NanaProud Nana It’s so frustrating, because it sure looks that way. Every day is how many ways can we get the President mad

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The leftist, corrupt media has learned nothing. This is the reason Trump was elected. People are tired of the corrupt media’s game of division. People are tired of the corrupt media’s support of everything left. It is getting worse and it’s pissing off a lot more people. Trump 2020!

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It could e cause the advisors he has, hate him and are giving him a pile of bunk on a daily basis!

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The Daily Mail, Speech Police.

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If the media would stop trying to “get” Trump they could actually report some truth.

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