The real reason why Pam Geller was not invited to CPAC

I was given a link to Breitbart regarding the decision by CPAC not to give Pam Geller a seat at their CPAC convention. And I think I know why. And their names are David Keene, Grover Norquist and Suhail Khan. It is Norquist who is blamed for getting Geller kicked off of Newsmax. We will look at all the players in a bit. But first some background on an issue that was brought to the attention of FrontPage magazine on February 25, 2010. The article is titled “CPAC Shills For Islamic Terrorists.” The interview is with Pam Geller of Atlas Shrugs and Front Page’s Jamie Glazov. I think that this interview describes perfectly the decision by CPAC to diss Geller and her group.

FP: This is mind-boggling. This is a conservative conference and one would think conservatives are interested in national security and protecting our liberties and American lives. Why do you think this happened?

Geller: I think CPAC’s agenda in 2010, as well as 2009 and before that, reflects the influence of Grover Norquist, the conservative powerhouse and kingmaker. He is a board member of the ACU, and from the looks of CPAC’s covered topics and omission of discussion of jihad, it looks as if he exerts enormous influence over David Keene, the ACU’s nominal leader. Norquist and his ally Suhail Khan seem to be in charge at CPAC — no CPAC event goes on that doesn’t reflect their perspective.

FP: Expand a bit on what perspective Norquist represents.

Geller: Jamie, Grover Norquist’s troubling ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists have been known for years. He and his Palestinian wife, Samah Alrayyes, who was director of communications for his Islamic Free Market Institute until they married in 2005, are very active in “Muslim outreach.” Just six weeks after 9/11, The New Republic ran an expose explaining how Norquist arranged for George W. Bush to meet with fifteen Islamic supremacists at the White House on September 26, 2001 — to show how Muslims rejected terrorism. Wrote TNR author Franklin Foer:

Unfortunately, many of the leaders present hadn’t unambiguously rejected it. To the president’s left sat Dr. Yahya Basha, president of the American Muslim Council, an organization whose leaders have repeatedly called Hamas “freedom fighters.” Also in attendance was Salam Al-Marayati, executive director of the Muslim Public Affairs Council, who on the afternoon of September 11 told a Los Angeles public radio audience that “we should put the State of Israel on the suspect list.” And sitting right next to President Bush was Muzammil Siddiqi, president of the Islamic Society of North America, who last fall told a Washington crowd chanting pro-Hezbollah slogans, “America has to learn if you remain on the side of injustice, the wrath of God will come.”

It was Norquist who ushered these silver-tongued jihadists into the Oval Office after the worst attack ever on American soil. Don’t you think that the likes of Ibn Warraq, Bat Ye’or, and Wafa Sultan should have been advising the President instead of Hamas, Hizballah and the Muslim Brotherhood? But that wasn’t to be. So at that September 26 meeting Bush declared that “the teachings of Islam are teachings of peace and good.” It was a critically important, historic moment. What should have been the most important teaching moment of the long war became a propaganda tool for Islam. A singular historic opportunity was squandered, and the harm that has resulted is incalculable.

OK. You don’t trust Geller? Fair enough. Then how about Congressman Frank Wolf (R-Va) then?

In 2011 on the House Floor Rep Frank Wolf (R –Va) had this to say about Grover Norquist:

I want to be clear: I raise these issues not just because Mr. Norquist’s associates may be unsavory people,” Wolf said. “There are many lobbyists in Washington who represent clients of all stripes and backgrounds. But my concern arises when the appearances of impropriety are raised over and over again with a person who has such influence over public policy. That, I believe, should give any fair-minded person pause.

Here is the CSPAN Video of his remarks.The clip starts at 13:47 and his remarks end at 18:15.

Frank Gaffney prepared a dossier on Norquist and Suhail Khan, The article is titled “A Jihadist in the Heart of the Conservative Movement.” The article is dated January 2011/

Lets see what Frank Gaffney had to say about Grover Norquist in Oct 2012.

Now onto Suhail Khan. I’ll let the video do the talking.

And here is David Horowitz calling out Grover Norquist and Suhail Khan at the Feb 2011 CPAC. Skip ahead to the 5:00 minute mark.



Linked here is Ken Timmerman’s FrontPage article on the same two subjects.

I think you get the idea. But there is one last player to cover. He is David Keene. This is Robert Spencer talking about the John Zeigler video which you can see after the article.

Oct 2009 – Jihadwatch – …The Ziegler video, with its depiction of Keene’s egregious behavior, gives a good opportunity to spotlight the failure of the conservative mainstream to deal with the jihad issue. David Keene is not only the head of the ACU, but also of the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC), which I criticized in Newsweek last February for its Grover Norquist-mandated refusal to deal with the jihad or Islamic supremacism in any meaningful or effective way.

I didn’t know it at the time, but after I was interviewed by Newsweek and before their article appeared, Keene decided to honor Wilders at CPAC and give him an award. But when the Newsweek piece hit, with quotes from me as well as David Horowitz saying, “How is it possible that a conservative conference does not have a single panel on the threat from radical Islam?,” Keene was furious. He was so furious that he canceled the award for Wilders and refused to let him speak at all, saying he wasn’t going to look as if he was being pushed around by Robert Spencer. Suddenly a few remarks in Newsweek by David Horowitz and me were controlling David Keene’s world. Principles? Free speech? Jihad and Islamization? Pah. For Keene, it was just a schoolyard fight, and he was behaving like a schoolyard bully — as he does here with Ziegler.

You can read the article here

Here is the Zeigler Video. John Zeigler is a libertarian former talk show host and now a political speaker and documentarian. He has issues with Keene over his criticism of Sara Palin, support for Arlen Spector and a quid pro quo with Fedex. Video is from Oct 2009.

John Zeigler’s webpage has more details.

And here is the kicker on the CPAC incident and Keene.

12/14/2010 – The Keene scandal – A review (below).

WND – The American Conservative Union reported to the Internal Revenue Service last month a “material diversion of the organization’s assets” totaling over $400,000. The group has an annual operating budget of about $1.5 million.

While directors have been tight-lipped about the details, sources say Keene’s ex-wife, Diana, was fired earlier this year as bookkeeper when the misappropriations were discovered. On its 2009 tax return, signed Nov. 8, 2010, by Executive Vice President Dennis E. Whitfield, the American Conservative Union disclosed the apparent embezzlement. The organization became aware in May 2010 of a diversion of assets for the year [ending] December 31, 2009,” the ACU disclosed on its 990 reports filed with the IRS. The authorities were notified and the issue is now in the hands of the assistant U.S. attorney for the Eastern District of Virginia.

Read more

Conclusion: CPAC and the ACU are bought and sold for money and influence. Worse still, they are under the heavy influence of people that want to destroy this nation. Pam Geller isn’t the problem. Time to oust Keene, Khan, and Norquist, otherwise I think I agree with John Zeigler. I want no part of CPAC or the ACU.

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wiseguy
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wiseguy

she is such a font of reason!!

BS61
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BS61

Thanks 911 – I didn’t know the history. Just waking up as a former Dem, their was alot to learn, let alone Islam. I started with Gellar, but quite honestly, she does sooooo many postings a day, one can’t handle that much truth. smile

Laurel
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Laurel

BTW people Newsmax is in the bag for the Bush family. Dump them.

toby66
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toby66

Ive noticed them to be pretty much anti Obama. Thats good in my book.

I certainly dont want Jeb, or any other Bush in 2016. But I dont hate the Bush’s.

Laurel
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Laurel

I don’t either.

Newsmax and the Bush Family are big government Republican.

toby66
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toby66

Im not a big government Republican either.

But I dont mind reading a publication that from time to time, is actually a critic of the President.
Very few News Papers, magazines, radio shows have enough strength to be courageous to even say something remotely unfavorable ….let alone take the time to do some investigative research and BASH HIM (with words of course).

Laurel
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Laurel

I hear ya but there are a lot of places to get information that is objective and accurate without supporting your own demise. Washington Free Beacon is good. Breitbart. Drudge. This site of course. Weasel Zippers, etc. Front Page Mag is excellent as well as their sister site WND…despite the ads. There is tons out there.

Newsmax is big government Republican that continually supports and pushes then losing side like McCain and Romney.

Deuce Prez
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Deuce Prez

Atlas shrugs and Front Page Mess are mere blogs where the sponsoring Islamaphobes spew their vitriolic lies & distortions against Islam.

They are not credible news sources….!!

Conservative have more than their fair share of idiots within to deal with. They don’t need the likes of Geller, her butt-buddy Robert Spencer or any of the cast of clowns that her wanna-be CPAC conference of Islam-bashers usually bring together (i.e. FAILURE & FORMER Congressmen Allen West…. one of the worst examples of what an officer should do to POWs)!!

Laurel
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Laurel

Grover has gotten way too big for his britches and has to go. I will add Zieglar is no peach either. It’s hard to stand up for him. These men have an axe to grind and will implode. Let’s hope the rest of us don’t implode with them.

@ManeCoon51
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@ManeCoon51

Are conservatives being infiltrated?

Laurel
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Laurel

I have to wonder! I do know there is a battle for conservatism within the Republican Party. Eighty Republicans signed off on an ‘friend of the court’ brief in support of gay marriage on the cases before the Supreme Court. They called themselves conservative when in reality they are not. It was John McCain and Nicole Wallace leading the charge.

TIMERUNNER
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TIMERUNNER

911infidel; thank you for this great informatin. It really is a lot to go through and then to absorb. I like Mrs Geller, listen to many of her speeches and seen many of her videos, she is reallya super American patriot. On her website there is so much information about terrorist in America etc, inside goverenment and obamas regime. 911infidel after reading here and watching your posted video’s I’m not at all suprised Mrs Geller was not invided to speak or why they removed Mr Zeigler from the speaking panel.The CPAC’ers elite didn’t want to tee off their money bags who are supporters and backers of Muslim terrorist, and backers of traiyors in American government. I’m shocked that Mr Keene acted exactly the same manner as Mr Spector did at the first townhall he held about obamacare etc. These two men Spector and Keene two peas from the same peapod.… Read more »

Henry Thoreau
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Henry Thoreau

She’s right about Grover.

Allen Weaver Jr
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Allen Weaver Jr

I’ll tell you one thing, if the sh*t ever hits the fan in this country my sights will be on every towelhead i see. Why would they let even one of them into this country? Then we let them build a million moques witch are only terrorist camps.

Eve
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Eve

Unfortunately been saying this about CPAC for a few years now. Bought and paid, and it is not the principles that matter. Why would Pam Gellar even want to speak there, she is above it with so much more credibility.

RLC
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RLC

And GW, god love him, was part of the problem- following his dad’s advice, probably.

RLC
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RLC

How did Saudi’s get head of the line privileges out of the country right after 9/11? Why does Saudi Arabia fund radical Wahhabist mosques in the US today? Its all about the $$$.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

It was the same back in the early days before the 1947 boundaries of Israel were established. Under the British Mandate years, the Arab people were far more gregarious and hospitable to the Brits than were the Jewish folks, who tended to “stick to their knitting” and their close-knit families. This led to the Brits tending to favor the Arabs, which is a human reaction to being made to feel welcome.

The same thing is happening today. Arab oil money flows freely into strange places, and so does their hospitality and friendship. Jewish people just do not engage in that sort of constant politicking.

sue-marie
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sue-marie

I have read a few comments about Bush coming out saying that Islam is a religion of peace. Now what Bush thinks privately is a different matter. Remember now…he had to get a coalition of Muslim Countries together to attack Iraq and Afghanistan. By piercing Islam through the heart we would not have had help from Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Pakistan and others. We needed their air space and land to set up bases. Norquist knew Bush would need Islamic support to go after the radical Islamists and used this at a time when Bush was most vulnerable. Bush started receiving calls from Muslim countries expressing their desire to help. Bush said what was needed at the bully pulpit and then went after those who were terrorists or supporters of terrorists. Judge Bush harshly if you want….but he protected us from further terrorist attacks from then on. 9/11 was the result… Read more »

kssturgis62
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kssturgis62

I am not Judging President Bush because I knew what was at stake. I am just saying by him saying that – Set up a precedent that we are now seeing play out. I didnt’ like Everything that George Bush did, but I voted for him twice, and he did keep us safe. But that statement set us up big time and Grover Norquist is not to be trusted, I do not like that man, never have never will.

Cpac is a JOKE, it is taken over, and Cardenas who heads CPAC is Jeb Bush’s man, to push him, and Rubio is there to give Jeb Conservative Credentials. I will never support Christie, Bush or Rubio as of now. We need to worry about 2014, if we lose the house, Obama is there for life.

kssturgis62
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kssturgis62

Today is the Tea Party Conference Call and Mark Levin will be the guest on today’s call. he has already stated he stands with Pamela Geller. I stand with Pamela Geller. Being that I am a Michigander, and I see what is happening in my state with Sharia Law, Islam, CAIR, the growing push for more to convert, and the Coverup of Honor Killings, and girls Disappearing due to forced marriages or becoming to Westernized, is why I stand with Geller. When Rick Perry was running for President, we brought a LOT of issues to light about his friendships, what he stood for, and THE LAWS he signed supporting Muslims in Texas, Grover Norquist and all these players came up back then. Michelle Malkin highlighted Grover and his marriage, and the checks he would write supporting Muslims and he had their ear. this is not shocking or Surprising to me.… Read more »

Virus-X
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Virus-X

I will no longer support CPAC, period. “That which can be broken, must be broken.” CPAC has shown that it is vulnerable, therefore unreliable. It has been infiltrated, and must be killed and replaced. In the Army, I had no trouble using some of the enemy’s tactics against them. Republicans are stupid, hence my abandoning their worthless party. In the name of some stupid ‘big tent’, they welcome the scum into their fold: McCain. Specter. The Pauls. Snow. Snyder. Romney. Nixon. Schwarzeneggar. Powell. Rice. Murkowski. The list goes on. Conservatives must either oust all RINOs, or separate themselves from them. Any that falter, must be put down. Heretics must be BANISHED. This is THE ideological war, and losing it will cost lives and freedom. Fake Conserbatives must be PURGED, and demonized, along with their masters in the DNC. They cannot be allowed to speak, or participate, in Concervative events, because… Read more »

JDOlson
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JDOlson

I consider this a CPAC scandal. Thank you for this information. We need to step up our vigilance of CPAC and others who would seek to co-operate with the Muslim agenda and step up support of those who are our whistle-blowers. Well done.

BayouCoyote
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BayouCoyote

More outright betrayal here:

Al Jazeera Hires GOP Lobbyists to Counter Congressional Scrutiny to Current TV Deal
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2013/02/al-jazeera-hires-gop-lobbyists-to-counter-congressional-scrutiny-to-current-tv-deal/

Al-Jazeera has hired GOP lobbyists to help it gain approval to buy Current TV from Al Gore. Aljazeera, the former “voice of Osama Bin Laden”, wants to pollute US airwaves with its anti-Israel, pro-Islamist agenda… And GOP lobbyists are going to help them make that happen.

in addition to hiring the K Street lobbying firm of DLA Piper to lobby on its behalf, the channel has hired Global Policy Initiatives and TCK International to represent it on Capitol Hill

…..
(Spit) They can all go to Hell.

Cardinal ACK!
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Cardinal ACK!

So is there an Islamic foundation to CPAC banning GOProud? That’s an angle rarely addressed; the um, friction between these two elements, often in support of the same office seekers.

Rocco11
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Rocco11

Pam Geller is a National Treasure.

Guest
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Guest

Al Cardenas runs CPAC now. Jeb Bush owns him. Norquist is in bed with the Bush mafia. We have known this for a long time now. Rubio is setting the table for Jeb in 2016. He’s there to give Jeb Conservative cred. Christie not being invited while Jeb is invited gives Jeb conservative cred. Jeb knows that Krisy Kreme can get all the Wall Street money that he needs. He is Jeb’s threat. Jeb needs to take him out sooner rather than lter so the Wall Street money backs Jeb. Geller is an embarrassment to the Bush mafia. The Bush mafia knows from the last election that they can’t alienate Palin even though she embarrasses them. Jeb will attack Palin from the right. Conservatives are all being played. This is Bush Drama Queen 101. The script has already been written. They gopE intends to shove Jeb down your throat just… Read more »

kssturgis62
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kssturgis62

None of them Jeb, Christie or rubio will I or many thousands of others support or vote for.

toby66
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toby66

If you are the same “guest”, I asked you about the “Bush Mafia” and you didnt provide anything. You linked one Forbes article, that wrote about the GOP elite but it didnt have anything about what you said.

WHAT BUSH MAFIA? Do you purport that W and Bush Senior and the wifes and others are sitting around a conference table pulling strings to the GOP? I just dont see it.

I dont think Bush junior gives a crap about politics now that he is done.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

OK, for you Ziegler complainers in the thread, I finally got a chance to watch the Ziegler vids, up through the parts where he was interacting with Keene and in the second vid, through the part where the guy threw him out. They were too long to bother with the rest, since I have bandwidth restrictions. (I had definitely watched the other vids before bothering with this part, which I knew would be tedious, because I don’t like Ziegler’s tactics at all.) Here’s the bottom line: Ziegler found some important information, and Keene refused to answer the questions about it. Those are not trivial questions, and Keene’s failure to answer, and Ziegler’s ability to make his charge before being thrown out are important factors in this case. However, 95% of both vids detract from the case against Keene, and definitely make Ziegler look like a grandstanding moron. And it wasn’t… Read more »

spin43
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spin43

What is a CPAC?

K-Bob
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K-Bob
grayjohn
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grayjohn

Compromised
Political
Action
Committee

TeaPartyReaganConservative
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TeaPartyReaganConservative

I had not known about Grover Norquist ties to islamist extremism, via his Palestinian islamic muslim wife, til now. I now understand why now Pamela Geller was not allowed to speak at CPAC. This now makes sense of everything that has been levied against Mr. Norquist, for which he has used his political influence as a Tea Party conservative against taxes, to insidiously and seditiously undermine and subvert the pro-American, pro-Freedom and Liberty / anti-islamist muslim extremist jihadists like Ms. Pamela Geller, Geert wilder, etc, and the message of truth they speak, from appearing and being heard in any and all conservative public platforms such as CPAC. Mr Norquist no longer has the support of myself, and any all Tea Party activists in the Nation. He does not speak for us, and he no longer speaks as a pro-American Conservative, period. He is a fraud who has now been exposed.… Read more »

学中文的美国男人
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学中文的美国男人

CPAC also didn’t give Christie a speaking slot.

As for Mr. Norquist, he is fighting tax increases, and he also fought against bigots who attacked one conservative activist for being Muslim.

thebeeishorrid
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thebeeishorrid

Is this scumbag Keene the same guy that’s now in charge of the NRA?

Cold Warrior
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Cold Warrior

So, what do you propose we DO about this?
http://precinctproject.us
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com
Conservatives, organize and unite where you live inside the Republican Party.
No?
Thank you.
Cold Warrior

JohnCraven
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JohnCraven

If the Jihadist connections between Norquist and others have been known for years and the shenanigans they have pulled, for example, the one cited with George Bush meeting with hard core Muslim Jihadists just two weeks after 9/11, connections and shenanigans which ordinary rank and file conservatives like myself had never known until now, then why has people like Rush Limbaugh and other conservatives spoken at CPAC over the years?

John Craven
New Orleans

K-Bob
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K-Bob

CPAC has been going downhill for years, they didn’t just fall over a cliff into progressive territory. When the country was in less dire peril, it was far easier to put up with this sort of crap. We can’t afford this anymore.

But a lot of folks were waving warning flags over Bush’s meeting with CAIR folks so soon after 9-11. The problem is, people like Pam Geller, Robert Spencer, and David Horowitz have been treated like the crazy relatives in the little house out back, and have been largely ignored by the mainstream Republicans.

Brian
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Brian

How about SARAHPAC instead of CPAC?

K-Bob
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K-Bob

If she would get on with it, I’d send SarahPAC a LOT more money. BUt if she waits too long, she’ll miss her chance.

magicdixieranch
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magicdixieranch

wow, seems there are WAAAYYY too many *wolves in sheep’s clothing* in the conservative tent…I’m starting to think we need to develop a secret handshake or something, hmmm

Jim Cohen
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Jim Cohen

CPAC has becoamea lapdog for all things “new world order.” Their conservative ratings are now mussy at best. Very, very sad.

CLRoemke
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CLRoemke

Will Andrew be at CPAC?

#WAR

Chris Hadrick
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Chris Hadrick

conservatism is about small government, not war on terror bs. Muslims want us out of their countries not to take over ours. if you haven’t figured that out by now you are either stupid or crazy.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

No, that would make you a neo-libertarian (like Ron Paul), not a Conservative. But nice try, and thanks for the slander. I suggest you read the Comment Policy.

Chris Hadrick
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Chris Hadrick

yeah those were some really wild explitives there! Reagan got out of Lebanon because it wasn’t worth it and he was right. Bush1 didn’t take Baghdad because it wasn’t worth it. The only one who indulged in that stuff was Bush2 and the less said about him the better. Grover Norquist has forgotten more about conservatism than “former” Marxist David Horowitz ever did.

http://www.marxists.org/history/etol/newspape/isr/vol28/no04/horowitz.htm

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Nice attempt at red herrings. Your assumption that you know more in this area than people here explains much.

Your comment about Horowitz puts you closer to the jihad supporters than it does mainstream conservatives. Good luck with that.

Chris Hadrick
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Chris Hadrick

that makes no sense. I’m not a “jihad supporter” nor do I care about the Middle East project. I’m not close to either.

What are the red herrings? I just gave a history of our major interventions in the Middle East in a dialogue about US interventions in the Middle East.

We’re 16 trillion dollars in debt. the War on terror is over.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

“Closer to” is a phrase that has meaning. You ignored it.

You gave no “history,” you simply tossed some poorly aimed labels around. If you’d like to learn about the history of our foreign policy, there are plenty of people here who know a great deal about it. It’s something conservatives do: their homework. So all you need do is ask.

And if you think the war is over, you have no clue about the enemy.

Chris Hadrick
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Chris Hadrick

the enemy is Washington and I know quite a bit about it.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Wrong. Thanks for playing.

The answer is: Political Islam, and the medievalist jihadist lunatics being used by the cynical old men in the Muslim Brotherhood and the spiritual head of Iran.

Washington may be a mess, but it’s not “the enemy.”

Chris Hadrick
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Chris Hadrick

“Washington may be a mess, but it’s not “the enemy.”

What happened to this movement?

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Clarity.

Washington is full of statists. Not people strapping bombs on their daughters, and telling them to blow up infidels.

Statists have to be fought at the ballot box. Jihadists are waging genuine war, but you seem unable to notice it.

Chris Hadrick
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Chris Hadrick

They’re waging war on Washington for being in their countries.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

or for existing or whatever

deTocqueville1
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deTocqueville1

This thread became far too obsessed with the Zeigler and Palin thing. Palin, Cruz, etc. should certainly speak at CPAC and express their views. Doing anything else would be cowardly and counterproductive.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

“This thread became far too obsessed with the Zeigler and Palin thing”

Oh come on. A few comments and you slam the whole thread?

deTocqueville1
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deTocqueville1

Not at all. The thread was great until it “became” obsessed with Palin/Zeigler. Zeigler is seriously disturbed! Palin is the future of conservatism!

K-Bob
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K-Bob

You became obsessed with a few comments, that’s all.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Good recap, 911Infidel! I was reviewing this topic most of last night. My take on CPAC is the same as yours and Mark Levin’s: it isn’t conservative anymore. CPAC has devolved into a Republican Meet & Greet. There may be some great speeches come out of there this year, so it’s not a pure waste of time, but it is time for Conservatives to wake the **** up and realize the game being played here. Look at the roster of this year’s CPAC invitees. There are some solid conservatives in there. But the roster is littered with Cotton Conservatives, Rockerfeller Republicans and election losers. You have to wonder why? Two Things: 1) Consider what happened to the AARP. (Bear with me, here, I know that was a speed bump.) AARP used to be a fairly conservative collection of folks because retirees are mostly conservative by nature. But what happened to… Read more »

maketcomp
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maketcomp

Fantastic ideas, K-Bob, as usual! I love the idea of having SarahPac in conjunction with the Tea Party be the premier organizations for Conservatives. It is time for Conservatives to band together and have one voice of Conservatism. The problem is where do people like Paul Ryan or Rubio fit in with Conservative ideology? That question still remains. They must be unafraid and articulate in communicating the Constitution and Conservatism. The RINOcrats, of course affectionately called, can then have CPAC and include the Chris Christie, the Mitt Romney’s, and Jeb Bushes of the world because the Conservative message gets watered down and diluted to the point where it becomes ineffective. The left has the Net Roots convention and no one cares what they say and they say a lot of Marxist propaganda in that organization. So we Conservatives should not care what neither the RINOcrats nor the Marxist say about… Read more »

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Thanks! I think Ryan, Rand Paul, and Rubio need to decide where they belong, before we do it for them.

Agree with that last point, too.

maketcomp
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maketcomp

Well K-Bob for Ryan, after 14 years of being in the House, I think we should probably know by now. The jury is kinda out on the last two. Your welcome!

Laurel
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Laurel

Not totally sure I agree with you. There might be something to what you say..somewhat but not totally. AARP went left because because hippies are getting old and retiring. AARP changed because it’s market and demographics changed, and like all advocacy groups it evolved into it’s own business so AARP is insuring it’s survival. AARP makes money, a lot of money, off of it’s insurance programs. What you are seeing within the Republican party and conservative circles is a full scale civil war*. There is a faction of the Republican party that wants conservatives to moderate. Why? Because they are a reflection of moderating morals in our society. Politics is a reflection of the culture. The more morals devolve the more it will be reflected in politics and our laws. The reflection is two fold. You have some things like gay marriage that will pass but you will also have… Read more »

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Oh yeah, AARP was making a boatload of money. But that’s what the pros who were running it were paid to do. Because they are beltway mercenaries, they didn’t care about the actual best plan for seniors, nor what the members wanted.
I think culture does provide pressure, but culture is so many things, and right now it’s a pot on high boil.

Laurel
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Laurel

That is the truth….definitely high boil. I think that is why we are seeing bolder and bolder crimes.

I want you to affix in your mind though that older people are not necessarily conservative. The GG was, but their time is over. We have the new cycle of retirees which are Progressives. Each generation cycles and boomers are no exception. Ironically parents of GG tended to be more liberal…Depression has a way of changing things.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Oh, you’re probably right when it comes to the Northeast, especially. But once you get away from there, and away from some of the bigger cities that are still reasonably vibrant (places like Chicago and Denver, and of course, the left coast), I’m confident that the average senior is fairly conservative. (They don’t necessarily think of themselves that way, they just don’t like what they see happening.)

Laurel
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Laurel

My dear come see me in California, which isn’t the NE and I will show you the world of old hippies. Remember this state is still the most heavily populated and that effects elections.

I actually have a friend who has a degree in this area. She studies the various generations and their demographics and voting patterns. It’s an interesting topic to say the least.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Hey, I did exclude the Left Coast!

I love demographics. And genealogy. It’s what leads folks to realize the march of history isn’t as choppy as most people think of it. For example, looking at genealogy helped me realize just how incredibly long a time it really was between Columbus’ arrival and the signing of the Declaration of Independence. This gets me in all kinds of arguments with people about “what white people did to Indians” and “how many slaveholders were there” and a host of things that most people just never bother to look at.

Laurel
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Laurel

You and I have something in common! I find it fascinating but I am an amateur at it. It’s amazing as well to see slight differences within a few years…but you do see it! My husband is younger than I am and I see it. On a national scene look at Sarah Palin and the difference she projects because she is last year birth year of Boomer/First year of Gen X.

The shakedown’s are always interesting because it shows how one generation effects the next and the life is indeed a ripple effect.

Studying it forces me not to fall into stereotype…although there are times that stereotype does apply.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Indeed.

johnfromjersey
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johnfromjersey

Hi all my friends here. I try and read as much as I can, videos are difficult because of my dsl only cranking out a whopping 80kbs downstream, so I have to be choosey in which I watch. This place, and places like it across the nation are our only defense against the pending disaster ahead. I hate to admit it but I do believe people are going to blow their collective corks when the bottom drops out, and if we continue as is, it will. I go on a lot of blog sites, but I seem to like it here best. There are people here that should be in leadership instead of the ones who’re robbing us blind. I’ve been around a while and shake sometimes at what we’ve allowed America to become. We the people can no longer be the silent majority, we must speak up, loudly! The… Read more »

Reynolds88
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Reynolds88

Right Scoop: You put out a great comprehensive collection of stories and background on this issue. Thank you very much!

MassManny
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MassManny

CPAC is NOT for free speech on all conservative issues. It’s not just the ban on the truth about radical Islam that’s concerning. There’s also little on life issues (so far, I see only one young pro-life leader).
And I see NOTHING about “gay marriage,” or the homosexual & transgender radicalism advancing in our schools. Look what’s happening in Massachusetts now:
“Mass. state education officials release directive to force transgenderism into all schools”
http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen2/13a/trans_school_regs_021513/index.html
&
Obama’s Dept of Education put out a memo in 2010 telling administrators across the country that this is NATIONAL policy. (But they’ll get it rolling in Mass. & Calif. first, to iron out the kinks.)
http://www2.advocate.com/pdfs/dear_colleague.pdf

NJK
Member
NJK

Ted Cruz and Dr. Ben Carson are going to speak there. I’m going to email both of them this article.

K-Bob
Editor
K-Bob

Good idea. Cruz might think about it. I kind of figure Carson is already sick of all the overtures from conservatives at this point. He’s a values conservative who apparently has read very little about political philosophy. So I’m not sure he’s really ready to do much for the movement.

lambfound
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lambfound

Palin and other conservatives should cancel their appearances. Pamela Geller, David Horowitz, and Robert Spencer are the top authorities on the Islam infection and how it has wormed its way into our government. Brennan should be exposed and outed as an enemy within. CPAC is a disgrace. Visit Geller’s web site, Atlas Shrugs, and you will be up to the minute on our enemies.

philip127
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philip127

Man, I thought I was fairly well informed on our networks? This is the first time I’ve heard any of this!

Isn’t David King the CEO of the NRA? It sure looks like the same guy. Yes, Wayne LaPerie (sp) is the spokesman Pres. but I think this David king guy is the CEO.

Boy, I hope Sarah pours gas on CPAC and lights the match, if this is what we have been backing!

GIVE’M HELL SARAH!

lambfound
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lambfound

She should cancel all together.

philip127
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philip127

Your right, I’m still in shock. BUT Sarah should make it very public and announce the reason.

Still not sure, but maybe show up and ask her audience to walk-out and start a new org.? I don’t know, I trust Sarah to do the right thing.

K-Bob
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K-Bob

Once they agree to appear, it’s a contract. I’d bet she won’t be there next year unless CPAC gets a total makeover.

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