Trump accuses Fake News Media of reporting fake poll numbers from his campaign

Yesterday it was reported that Trump’s own campaign shows him losing to Biden in key battleground states:

CBS NEWS – An internal poll conducted by President Trump’s reelection campaign found Mr. Trump trailing former Vice President Joe Biden in some key battleground states in a hypothetical general election matchup, according to two sources with knowledge of the poll.

The campaign also found Biden doing well in states Mr. Trump won in 2016 and would need to win again to ensure reelection to a second term. The poll was conducted by campaign pollster Tony Fabrizio, and its findings were first reported by The New York Times.

The poll found Biden doing well across a broad swath of the country, including Rust Belt states like Michigan, Ohio and Wisconsin, as well as Florida, North Carolina and Arizona.

“findings were first reported by The New York Times”



Trump was not happy about this report and pushed back on Twitter saying this isn’t true:

Even if it was true it’s extremely early to be assessing voter attitudes with much accuracy. We still have a year and a half to go before a general election vote is even held and who knows which Democrat will even be at the top of the ticket by then.

That said, all of the public polls this year so far show Biden beating Trump with an average of +8 points and Sanders beating Trump by an average of +5 points.

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H2O
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Rush talked about that on his show yesterday. I am comfortable with the numbers. They are NEVER accurate this far out from an election. Rush provided examples all the way back into the late 70s. Let the media get overconfident again like they were in 2016 when it was a certainty, that the serial criminal Hillary was going to win. No big deal. Trump hasn’t even concentrated on either of those two hypothetical opponents yet. He would own either of them. Bet on it.

Ronbo
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How sad. Sanders beats Trump. Even if completely not happening, the fact the numbers show this is so disconcerting.

cookiebob
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Unless it’s psych ops.

Sonofagip
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Trump supporters are openly admitting that it doesn’t matter if Trump follows through on border security which means there is no case for Trump’s reelection. Trumpism is now just a cult following, not a political movement.

cookiebob
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There are about 3 people in the entire country who like Trump personally. He is not the guy you want watching your kids or inviting over for games… there is no cult. It is his job performance that is getting him support.

He is exposing the left for the corrupt criminals they are, for that alone we owe him a debt of gratitude. If we get the criminals out of the FBI/CIA/NSA, it will be a better future for us all.

Plus, there has never been this kind of media unfairness, ever. And that alone will earn him a second term. He is doing really well on every issue, and the media treats him like trash. That helps him a whole lot.

Americans do not like injustice. Trump gains the more nutso the left becomes.

cookiebob
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So… the same media who lied for two years, accusing Trump of lies, while they were telling lies, now says this…

Just between us, do any of you know of any actual lies Trump has told? It seems like he is always proved true, but maybe that is my bias, but like they said he lied about Obama spying on his campaign… turns out Obama spied… etc. etc, etc, Has Trump lied? I just don’t remember it.

I actually would appreciate knowing if I’m being too kind to him. What lies has he told?

Right now I’m tending to believe Trump on this.

AT
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Just between us, do any of you know of any actual lies Trump has told?

“I’m a Republican.”

cookiebob
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That’s the best you’ve got? Because he is actually a registered Republican.

I’m not joking. I too believe he has lied. But then I was thinking about it, and can’t think of even one thing that is actually a lie. Some opinions are weird, he uses hyperbole… like Mexico will pay for the wall… but when we aren’t sending so much money to Mexico… they will be… I just can’t find anything that is a lie, a flat out lie. I can see how his hyperbole bothers people, but it’s always a matter of opinion whether it’s wrong or not.

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“I was Vice President under America’s first Marxist President, so I figure my credentials as a Commie are as good as those of any other candidate.”

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Don Sutherland
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Fiscal restraint has long been abandoned. That the fiscal year-to-date deficit is up almost 40% over the comparable figure last year despite strong economic growth is remarkable.

AT
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That’s because the money isn’t real to the people being allowed to spend it. Like teenagers with credit cards.

Thor77
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Finally a reason for Democrats to vote for Trump … yuuuge deficit spending and giveaways of free money. He’s worse than the Dems fiscally

Thor77
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Not sure why this is a big deal. It’s quite possible that Biden beats Trump in the popular vote butTrump wins the electoral college. That is the most likely outcome same as last time

AT
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That’s also the funniest outcome.

Not like in a haha funny but in a facepalm funny.

OK, also kind of a haha funny.

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Well, I’m not buying these recent Quinnipiac polls. One recent poll had Biden winning white voters by 1% and Trump losing independents by 30 points. Going back many years, the Republican candidate has won the white vote by more than double digits. I don’t see that changing in 2020.

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“According to sources”

Voices in the reporter’s head became louder today, according to an acquaintence with knowledge of his mental state. “Yeah, he won’t take his meds,” we were told, as we asked for more information on the reporter’s supposed “sources.” Apparently the voices claim to know everything about the Trump campaign, and all those working on it.

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Y’know, I’m really at a loss as to what I’m supposed to take from equally audacious claims from two sets of polar opposed consummate liars.

Not that it matters in this case, I suppose, since (as it stands now) I won’t be voting for the Progressive or for the Other Progressive.

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Two presidential elections in a row with liberal Northeastern candidates.

AT
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After eight years of progressivism taking over and settling in.

wolfsbane
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If it turns out to be Trump vs. Biden, their combined ages will be 150 years. Combover vs. plugs.

AT
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Grab ’em by the kitties vs Grab ’em when they’re kiddies.

cookiebob
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Okay you seem like a good one to ask, what lies has Trump told? Maybe I am forgetting, but it seems like all the accusations of lies were proven not to be lies.

I’m not being confrontational, I just can’t think of any lies… help me out.

And can you put it up higher, I”m likely to forget how to find this thread.

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It’s amazing how well Trump has done and how such little credit he’s gotten for it.

Best black economy ever and nothing. Israel’s best friend and nothing. ISIS wiped out nothing. No more rockets , no more food stamps, more jobs than people to work them and little to no credit. Economic growth again and nothing . Really disgraceful.

If Obama got up in the morning and put his pants on correctly he was portrayed as the greatest, most caring president ever.

Rockets were flying, ISIS, absolute hatred for Israel, no economic growth, hatred for law enforcement, Obamacare, cash for clunkers, did jack squat for the inner cities, etc etc…

Imagine if Trump were a D President? Think he’d be popular? On magazine covers? The media would love Trump as a D president. “Greatest job president ever” “one of the best presidents for black Americans.”

Homer
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Come on, give Obama more credit…those pants he managed to put on were perfectly creased razz

Jaime Jimmision
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and well spoken! Racist Joe said

Joe Pein
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That said, all of the public polls this year so far show Biden beating Trump with an average of +8 points and Sanders beating Trump by an average of +5 points.

Who are they asking?

Kenoshamarge
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And “how” are they asking? The way a question is framed often has a lot to do with the answer.

Joe Pein
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As Mark Twain reportedly said: “There’s lies, Damn lies, and statistics”!

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The newsroom….

bigsir74
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Hey CBS,why would sources inside the Trump Campaign release information to CBS that the President is losing badly in key battleground states to Joe Biden,Is this the Poll numbers you were intending to release prior to the Mueller Report.

cookiebob
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Not an honest person inside the campaign that’s for sure.

bigsir74
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Thanks Cookiebob,exactly right.

DemocratsRFubar
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If polls were correct in 2016, we’d be saying Madam President Clinton. Polls-smolls.

Dr. Strangelove
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DemocratsRFubarDemocratsRFubar Presidents Kerry and Gore would agree.

Central Valley
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Trump could really help himself with message discipline. No matter what the media asks, always reply with something positive about the economy.

The media talks Joe Biden or Russia, have a response about how hard he’s working to improve the economy in the inner cities, etc. Don’t pay any attention to the Ds because “ you’re too busy working hard on behalf of the great American people.” Deflect all the media’s gotcha/trap questions.

Talk jobs, black unemployment, Hispanic unemployment, no more Isis, millions not on food stamps.

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I don’t think the president’s Twitter habits are the problem. Personally, I think there were some real shenanigan questions with this poll. Even with his rampaging Twitter fingers Trump has a much better message than either of the dementia divas Biden or Sanders. They are the Bob Dole and John McCain respectively of the Democrat party. Old and decrepit with the same old, same old message of “Promise, promise, promise then do nothing, nothing, nothing” except foist crony socialism on the country. Neither one cares if the USA turns into Venezuela as long as the people’s money goes in their pockets. Their only appeal is to the morally/intellectually challenged, covetous, embittered and jealous. It looks like from another poll that even the blacks and Hispanics are seeing this and abandoning the Democrat plantation. People are seeing for themselves that they are doing better and all the prevaricating by the media… Read more »

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Personally, I think there were some real shenanigan questions with this poll.

Allegedly, it was his poll.

Sonofagip
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It is also telling about Trump, that his first instinct is to attack the poll, not improve his job performance to get higher poll numbers.

philliesthoughts
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My understanding was that it was a Quinnipiac poll?

DinoDoc
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An internal poll conducted by President Trump’s reelection campaign…

Texas Chris
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Media: [Stupid question to Trump]
Trump, puts had to ear: “What? I cant’t hear you over the roaring of the economy! Sorry!”

Central Valley
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Exactly… at the end of every press conference tell the media 10 more Americans just fell off the food stamp rolls, then walk away…

Watchman
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They are setting themselves up for more wailing and gnashing of teeth next year.

Texas Chris
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Agreed. They see Trump as the worst president evar, and they’re determined to have an even worse candidate that Cankles.

Joe Pein
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I want another “Scream At The Sky” Night.

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The biggest problem with Trump’s reelection is that his job performance has been too underachieving. He’s had some successes: tax cuts, Gorsuch, and reversing the Iran Deal. But he couldn’t close the deal on Obamacare repeal, has under performed on the border wall (which was 90% of what he ran on in 2016), and illegal border crossings are worse than they were under Obama. In retrospect, the Kavanaugh pick was awful and his constant fawning over Kim Jong-un is disgraceful. His best chance at reelection is to make the Democrat nominee as unpopular as he is. That is easier to do with Hillary Clinton than Joe Biden.

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Historically speaking, 70% of all presidents have gone on to serve a second term, so he has that going for him. The economy is doing great, unemployment is down to near all-time lows. While other presidents have talked about moving our embassy to Jerusalem, he actually did it. Under his administration 39 judges have been confirmed at a record pace. He has rolled back many Obama era regulations. He withdrew us from the Climate Paris deal and Obama’s terrible Iran (non) deal. You say he under-performed on the wall. Well, he’s also facing a lot of opposition, and he’s not a king who can just unilaterally act. It’s also not like he’s not doing nothing. He’s stepped up raid on illegal immigrants, he’s trying to pressure Mexico into stemming the tide from Central America, and unlike the democrats actually supports ICE. As for Joe, the man’s a human gaff machine… Read more »

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The centerpiece of the Trump campaign in 2016 was build a wall and stop illegal immigration. I don’t see how a president who fails on this can be described as anything but an underachiever. Again, Donald Trump had two years with a GOP Congress and never once vetoed a spending bill that didn’t have border wall funding. This was inexplicable on his part. Then Pelosi becomes Speaker and he finally vetoed a spending bill without border wall funding but caved to Pelosi during the shut down. As for border security, he could close the border completely, invoke 8 U.S.C. 1182 (Inadmissible Aliens), or use the Insurrection Act to stop the influx of illegals. Josh Hammer and Daniel Horowitz have written extensively about all the border security tools at Trump’s disposal that he has not used.

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It must be nice to live in a fantasy land where you believe Republicans in Congress would have granted Trump money for the wall or done anything to fix immigration. Republicans are controlled by the chamber of commerce which opposes immigration restrictions and Congress has zero inclination to do anything about it, but its Trump’s fault that he can’t get something done that Republicans refused to do. God I need some of what you’re smoking.

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I’m old school. If you run on BUILD THE WALL! 24/7 during the campaign then you need to find a way to BUILD THE WALL! when you’re president. No excuses!

cookiebob
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There never has been a school like that. Sorry. Presidents are not kings… I guess he could declare marshal law? Our system has never worked the way you describe.

Sonofagip
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Then Trump has clearly failed on his major campaign promise! He has not earned reelection.

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Underachieving? With the amount of obstacles Trump has had, i.e. US Intel weaponized against him, RINOs, et al. it’s surprising he has achieved what he has… and the soaring economy.

As for ObamaCare, the Russia dossier pusher, John McCain, voted against it. His was the necessary vote; the spiteful traitor hated Trump.

As for immigration, you are aware Congress and the RINOs, led by Paul Ryan and McConnell are against the wall. Trump is not a king; plus, Obama judges.

Biden is popular? According to whom? The left-wing lunatics will make sure Biden doesn’t get the nomination; unless the DNC rigs the primaries.

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Polls don’t mean much and are used to manipulate the public. When it comes to Trump they are completely useless. I think there’s a phenomenon where people vote for him that aren’t reflected in the polls. No one expected Trump to beat Hillary. No one.

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It would be pretty foolish for Trump to get out the big guns at this point in time. Let the Democrats wound each other in the primary process. Then when the nominee is set in stone, blast away.

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By the left’s logic if something happened to Biden and he was no longer in the race it’d be “empty spot” versus Trump winning in key battleground states. Polls are only good for a few things and they’re spelled pole.

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Why would anyone believe these polls? They are authored and concocted by the same outfits that give us Fake News every day.

The only way Trump could lose is by attacking below the belt. Counterattacking in any way necessary is fine. Biden will not be the nominee. He will be exposed like a Stormy Daniels during the Loony Left debates in a few weeks. The Democrats are in full campaign mode while Trump hasn’t even entered the ring.

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If you take the Polls completely out of it- there is a big difference between Hillary and Joe.

Hillary was lazy and didn’t campaign very hard because she believed she had the win in the bag.
Joe will actually get out on the campaign trail and probably won’t assume anything. That makes him a threat.

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Hillary thought she had the campaign in the bag. Now she’s wearing the bag. Somewhere in there is a Bill Clinton joke.

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Lol! “wearing the bag”. Is THAT what they call her outfits? I always hoped she didn’t pay good money for those monstrosities.

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The way Joe is flip flopping he doesn’t seem to be taking it to too seriously.

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Ol’ Joe can power campaign all he wants but if they turn out like they did in Iowa he’s going to lose big time. Even Sanders can pull in more than Biden.

cookiebob
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He had about 200 people in Iowa, that hardly seems like a strong campaign…

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I REALLY hate to say this but if Trump loses, it’s possible that the division and anarchy in America will become dramatically worse. Of course the opposite is true too… to a certain extent. Trump’s ONLY legitimate challenge comes from him defeating the caricature of himself that the damned democrats are trying to portray. Trump’s record (overall) is actually good enough to easily carry him over into a second term. And yes, it IS too early for this.

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Revelation says it’s all coming to an end. America isn’t historically known for giving up its sovereignty. Something has to happen to us to remove us from a superpower. I’ve said that for a long time. Now is the first time I’m thinking an elected democrat says, “Sure! We’ll give everything up and let the president of the UN control everything! (AKA Anti-Christ).

Texas Chris
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We could only hope for anarchy. The problems of no government far outweigh the problems of (currently) too much government.

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Polls are not to be trusted. They’re usually wrong because the pollsters have an agenda.

Ciceroni Excogitatoris
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Soooo… “according to two sources with knowledge of the poll.” Whenever I read “sources” from left-wing publications or outlets, I’m not believing it. Btw, if true, didn’t the MSM learn anything from the polls in 2016?

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Ciceroni ExcogitatorisCiceroni Excogitatoris I think they learned that their lies have to be bigger. Just can’t fix stupid.

Ciceroni Excogitatoris
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The lies will get bigger as the 2020 election nears, P.

PlotEvil
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One could almost say, “According to two strippers who use the poles” and it’d be the same effect. They’re sources with knowledge of poles.

Ciceroni Excogitatoris
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Hahahaha… you’re right, PE.

Paladin
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How stupid does someone have to be to choose a Dem over Trump?! The economy is doing great, and we’re safer and more secure than we were under Obama.
Anyone who’s for Dems is voting solely for feelings and personal popularity, and form over substance.

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The Left has control of most of the information entering peoples homes and minds and it is a entire world away from the truth in many cases. Just as we read here yesterday that Pinterest is dishonestly hiding information, a lot of people don’t even know there is another side to any story.

Ciceroni Excogitatoris
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Ask Bill Kristol, George Will, and the other so-called conservatives, P.

Texas Chris
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“So-called” is right. Sheesh, George Will opposed Ronald Freaking Reagan!

Sentinel
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Well, and for free stuff (at the expense of those of us who work).

Texas Chris
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Not stupid, just wrong.

I know lots and lots of really smart leftists. They’re just wrong about a human nature, cultural norms, and how important emotions are compared to logic and fact.

Paladin
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Texas ChrisTexas Chris You are sooo right about the importance the Left puts on feelings over facts. I think is the thing that constantly sends smart and otherwise good people down the wrong path.

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