UM…The Pope praises new UN status for Palestinians

I thought the Pope was supposed to be a Biblical man? If he is he should know that there won’t be true peace between Israel and the Palestinians and believing in some UN pipe dream for the sake of peace is fruitless. But even more than that he’s revealed that he also doesn’t understand Islam, which at its core wants to destroy Israel. And this is exactly what the Palestinians want.

Sheesh. I’m not trying to dis the Pope, but this is a problem:

TIMES OF ISRAEL – Pope Benedict XVI told Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas Monday that he hopes the Palestinians’ upgrade to nonmember observer state at the UN will hasten the international community into finding a solution to its conflict with Israel.

The Palestinian leader is visiting Europe to thank countries that voted for the upgrade. Abbas met with the Pope to praise him for supporting the Palestinians’ recent bid. All European Union countries except for the Czech Republic either supported the motion or abstained from the vote.

The Holy See is the only other entity to hold the status of nonmember observer state at the UN.

The Vatican had warmly welcomed the vote, and a Vatican statement said that “it is hoped that this initiative will encourage the commitment of the international community to finding a fair and lasting solution” to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Abbas chatted privately with Pope Benedict for 30 minutes and then met with the Vatican’s top diplomats. Abbas gave Benedict a mosaic of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem — with an inscription saying it was presented by the “President of the state of Palestine.”

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183 thoughts on “UM…The Pope praises new UN status for Palestinians

  1. I know it’s difficult for “Amen” corner to understand, but not all Arabs are Muslims. Some are actually Christian with many adhering to ancient rituals that connect them with the earliest centuries of the Catholic Church. For decades now, they have been living in an apartheid like environment with walled cities and limitation of movement. Rommola, the very home of the PLO and Arafat, has a sizable Christian population and other cities like Bethlehem used to have far more Christians than Muslims. But then came the Zionist terrorists and the Israeli government and the exodus began, leaving few believers behind in the city of Christ’s Birth. The Israel government, which is utterly secular and Zionist in nature, cares little for these individuals. Some modern Protestants state that helping Israel will bring blessings according to the Bible. But what is the “Israel” spoken of here? Again, is it the Zionist tribe running Tel Aviv? Hardly…the Israel of God referred to by St. Paul refers to the Catholic Church founded in the year 33 AD. The present government of Israel cares nothing for the Holy Bible and the Prophets. They seek a secular messiah and a greater land grab.

      1. Because this will embolden persecution of Christians in the name of a Palestinian state all over the world. Christians are currently being butchered at mach 5 in North Africa and the ME. Syrian rebels have already told the Christians in Syria to convert or be killed.

        Don’t get me started on what it does to the Jews and if I believed in conspiracies I would have to say it might have to do with the Pope being a Nazi in his youth….but I don’t believe in conspiracy theories.

        1. What are you smoking? i want some of it! Cause all he said was that he hopes this speeds up the peace process…. that’s it.

          Stop throwing rotten tomatoes at the Pope for the sake of throwing rotten tomatoes at the Pope -_-

            1. yeah, because 3 out of 5 people here on this site are protestant and alot of the Catholics here most likely saw the title and skipped over because they don’t want to deal with Pope bashers like you 😛

  2. Nice going, Pope! You just threw Israel under the bus. If I was meaner, I would say that you are imitating whichever Pope it was that started the Crusades in the 1100’s!
    (Was it Pope Innocent, I don’t remember?)

  3. I meant to say SHE (I had written ‘he’)wanted the Bishop to tell the Pope he and the Bishops of the world, were to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart.

  4. The Pope and Abbas had a 30 minute discussion, huh? I wonder if the Pope discussed the burning of Catholic churches, the actual crucifixion of Christians, the murders of priests and Bishops and members of the church. CNN won’t communicate this horror, and not even the National Enquirer. The Pope knows the Church was liberalized in the early 60s with Vatican 2. It has gone downhill ever since. It accepted homosexuals as priests who convinced the seminaries they could control their desires best as priests. Yeah, sure. The purpose was to give the Church a bad name and destroy it from within. Now the Pope is under pressure to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary—yes, the Mother of Jesus Christ and Mother of God. In 1917 she appeared at Fatima, Portugal, to three shepherd children. She told the children to tell the Bishop he wanted the Pope and Bishops of the world to consecrate Russia to her immaculate heart, so that Russia would not spread its errors throughout the world. The consecration to Russia,specifically, was never done. Russia was about to become Communist. Russia still spreads its errors. Obama assured the Prime Minister he would be ‘more flexible’ with Russia when he was re-elected. I guess we can expect to experience that flexibility in 2013. Now the Pope is being flexible with Abbas. He, or another Pope will consecrate Russia, and it will convert to Catholicism, just as Mexico did. Then, Mary said, ‘there will be peace for a time’.
    see and start by viewing ‘Heaven’s Key to Peace’.

  5. Sadly he is just carrying on the delusional message of his predecessor! The same old belief that the church of Rome will somehow rule over a united Palestine as in the days of the Caesars.

  6. Response to John3_3.
    I won`t say that Catechism of the Catholic Church as going against the very core fundamentals of the Bible. eg. 14 Those who belong to Christ through faith and Baptism must confess their baptismal faith before men.16 First therefore the Catechism. The profession of faith summarizes the gifts that God gives man: as the Author of all that is good; as Redeemer; and as Sanctifier. It develops these in the three chapters on our baptismal faith in the one God: the almighty Father, the Creator; his Son Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior; and the Holy Spirit, the Sanctifier, in the Holy Church; and the doxology.
    There`re many godly saints in the Catholic church. Who can be in a position to dogmatically say that the catholic catechism is man made doctrine and thus mother Teresa, Pope John Paul II and many other saintly Catholic bishops are not born-again Christians? I know many Catholic brothers and sisters whose lives radiate Christ and outflow the virtues of Christ within them.

    1. Anyone that has faith in the catholic religion and what they teach is not born again according to God’s Word.

      The very teaching of the catholic church proves this. Their teachings on salvation are in stark contrast to the Word of God’s teachings on salvation.

      The Bible says:

      Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (This says nothing about baptism, communion, confession, church attendance…)

      Take the false teachings of purgatory for example. If the Bible says that Jesus’ blood cleanses us from ALL sin, why would anyone have to go to place called purgatory to have their sins cleansed?

      1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

      Heb 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

      How about the false teaching that you have to go to a man (priest) that is probably full of more sin than I am or you are to confess our sins and to intercede for us. The Bible says:

      1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

      Read the catholic’s canon 750 and compare that to this scripture from God’s Word:

      Col 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

      Mr 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through your tradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

  7. I respect people’s religion and if you’re Catholic I respect that if you go by your beliefs. That said there’s something John Hagee said that I would agree with. I’m Protestant.
    There’s been people up there in the echelons too aiding illegals and preaching social justice.

  8. The catholic belief system goes against the very core fundamentals of the Bible. Why would they start getting it right now?

    I used to be a catholic, then I read the Bible. Whenever a religion has another book (catholic catechism) in addition to the Word of God, run away… run far, far away!

    Let me remind you what Jesus said:

    Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    The catholic catechism is the foundation of the catholic faith. And it is man made doctrine.

      1. I don’t need to study man made doctrine because my Lord and Savior told me that the teaching of man made doctrine is vain. So why would I want to study it? I would rather study God’s Word.

        I do know quite a bit of what the catechism contains.

        Catholic church teaches that you have to meet a list of requirements in order to hope to get to heaven. The Bible teaches that you are saved by grace through faith Eph. 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5.

        The catholic church teaches you that you can’t know for sure that you will go to heaven. The Bible tells us that you can know without a doubt that you can go to Heaven. 1 John 5:13.

        That catholic church teaches the false doctrine of purgatory. The Bile doesn’t mention anything about purgatory.

        The catholic church teaches that when you die, if enough money is given to the church in your name then you have a good chance of making out of the fictitious teaching of purgatory. This is in the catechism, I looked it up.

        I could write more but don’t want to right now, unless you really want me too. I’m not trying to be mean to anyone, my entire family considers themselves catholic except me of course. And I witness to them and pray they turn to the true Word of God and repent and become born again. John 3:3 and Titus 3:5.

        Thanks for the opportunity for the discussion!

        1. Sorry, but if you’re baptized that doesn’t give you a free pass into heaven, suppose you commit a thousand murders? If you believe you’ll be saved…. right?


          “What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.” ~ James 2:14-17

          And YES the bible DOES talk about Purgatory, (i just pray that i’ll be able to REACH it when i die lol)

          “But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[b] shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.” ~ Matthew 5:22-26

          but nothing unclean will enter it, nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies.” ~Revelation 21:27

          And the money-indulgence scam was taken care of in the Council of Trent over 500 years ago if you actually LOOKED!

          1. Baptism has nothing to do with salvation. Did you not read my scripture references? Eph. 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5

            Your interpretation of James 2:14-17 is flawed. That is one of the most misunderstood verses in the Bible, probably.

            He is not saying that you don’t have faith if you don’t have good deeds. He is saying that the faith you have (if you have been born again) is a dead faith because you aren’t allowing Jesus to manifest Himself through you. You still have faith but you aren’t doing anything with it for God.

            Ro 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

            Matthew 2:22-26 is not talking about the fictitious teachings of purgatory, “judgement” is referring to a civil court. “Hell” is from the greek word Geenna which means ETERNAL condemnation.

            Rev. 21:27 is talking about those that have not been washed in the blood of the Lamb and been born into the family of God will spend eternity in Hell. We become cleansed when we are born again:

            1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

            Concerning indulgences, this is from today’s modern catechism (Yes, I looked):

            Obtaining indulgence from God through the Church

            1478 An indulgence is obtained through the Church who, by virtue of the power of binding and loosing granted her by Christ Jesus, intervenes in favor of individual Christians and opens for them the treasury of the merits of Christ and the saints to obtain from the Father of mercies the remission of the temporal punishments due for their sins. Thus the Church does not want simply to come to the aid of these Christians, but also to spur them to works of devotion, penance, and charity.90

            1479 Since the faithful departed now being purified are also members of the same communion of saints, one way we can help them is to obtain indulgences for them, so that the temporal punishments due for their sins may be remitted.

            1. Ro 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

              Ro 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

              Ga 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

              Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

            2. Sorry, thought you were in the “baptism alone and we’re saved!” crowd, you wouldn’t believe how many of them there are -_-

              yeah, we are only saved by the Grace of God, THAT WE MUST ACT UPON, because “faith without works is dead.” And frankly what you said is correct, and in fact doesn’t really conflict with what we Catholics teach

              “Jesus to manifest Himself through you. You still have faith but you aren’t doing anything with it for God.” Basically not doing good works means your faith is dead. That’s what the Church teaches.

              “But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[b] shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if you bring your gift to the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your gift there before the altar, and go your way. First be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift. Agree with your adversary quickly, while you are on the way with him, lest your adversary deliver you to the judge, the judge hand you over to the officer, and you be thrown into prison. Assuredly, I say to you, you will by no means get out of there till you have paid the last penny.” ~ Matthew 5:22-26

              The explanation of WHY this passage proves hell was done very well from a guy named St. Francis de Sales.

              “It is only the third sort of offence which is punished with hell; therefore in the judgment of God after this life there are other pains which are not eternal or infernal, — these are the pains of Purgatory. One may say that the pains will be suffered in this world; but St. Augustine and the other Fathers understand them for the other world. And again may it not be that a man should die on the first or second offence which is spoken here? And when will such a one pay the penalty due to his offence? . . . Do then as the ancient Fathers did, and say that there is a place where they will be purified, and then they will go to heaven above.” ~St. Francis de Sales.

              . . . Judas and his men went to take up the bodies of the fallen . . . Then under the tunic of every one of the dead they found sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear . . . So they all . . . turned to prayer, beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out . . . For if he were not expecting that those who had fallen would rise again, it would have been superfluous and foolish to pray for the dead. But if he was looking to the splendid reward that is laid up for those who fall asleep in godliness, it was a holy and pious thought. Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin. ~2 Maccabees 12:39-45
              They prayed for the sins of their friends AFTER they died so that they may have their sins blotted out? Mhmm…..

              And Indulgences are for the removal of temporal punishment, after all your sins are washed away in the grace of God, you still have to pay for your sins, that’s where “pay every last penny” and purgatory come in, you’re saved, but you still have to serve your time to purify yourself before entering into the beatific vision. Indulgences remove temporal punishment, or time off the sentence. Indulgences obtained by coin was justly eliminated at the Council of Trent. Others like mediating on the bible for 30 mins, visit our lord in the Blessed Sacrament for 30 mins, say the rosary publicly things like that do take temporal indulgences away, it is better explained here, and they cite biblical passages.


              Now i REALLY have to go to bed now, lol.

              1. You said we still have to pay for our sins. This is why the catholic teaching is wrong!! Jesus paid for all of our sins!! To say anything different is to reject Christ!

                Please, please understand this! I was where you are right now 9 years ago!

                Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

                1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.
                1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of

                You don’t have to pay for anything! Christ paid for your sin in FULL on the cross! Please understand this. Nothing more has to be done, that’s why He cried IT IS FINISHED!!

                Heb 10:12 But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;

                Heb 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

                Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

                There is no more offering for sin! It’s been done! It’s nothing we can do, it’s been done!

                Please, please read Eph. 2:8-9 and please explain to me what it means.

                1. He has paid the price for admission, but when we die our souls are still to IMPURE and can not see God in his full glory!


                  1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven.

                  1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire:

                  “As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever utters blasphemy against the Holy Spirit will be pardoned neither in this age nor in the age to come. From this sentence we understand that certain offenses can be forgiven in this age, but certain others in the age to come.” ~Pope St. Gregory the Great

                  Why would anyone go to purgatory? To be cleansed, for “nothing unclean shall enter [heaven]” (Rev. 21:27). Anyone who has not been completely freed of sin and its effects is, to some extent, “unclean.” Through repentance he may have gained the grace needed to be worthy of heaven, which is to say, he has been forgiven and his soul is spiritually alive. But that’s not sufficient for gaining entrance into heaven. He needs to be cleansed completely.

                  It is entirely correct to say that Christ accomplished all of our salvation for us on the cross. But that does not settle the question of how this redemption is applied to us. Scripture reveals that it is applied to us over the course of time through, among other things, the process of sanctification through which the Christian is made holy. Sanctification involves suffering Rom. 5:3–5, and purgatory is the final stage of sanctification that some of us need to undergo before we enter heaven. Purgatory is the final phase of Christ’s applying to us the purifying redemption that he accomplished for us by his death on the cross.

                  Christ pays the price for the eternal punishment for our sins. But there is still a temporal punishment, because sin has it’s consequences and leaves a mark on the soul. In 2 Samuel, God forgave David for sleeping with Bathsheba and having her husband murdered, but he still faced the penalty of losing their child as a result. And Revelation 21:27 tells us nothing unclean will enter Heaven. Jesus’s blood does not merely cover us like some “snow-covered dunghill,” but actually works through us to make us holy. However, during our life we resist His grace, so often the final work of making us holy must be done in Purgatory. It is not to be thought of as a ‘third place’ between Heaven and Hell. It can be thought of as the ‘vestibule of heaven’ where should complete the work of being made holy before entering into Heaven.

                  As for Eph. 2:8-9, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast”

                  It is very true, without the grace of God it’d be impossible to enter heaven no matter the works and wonders we do, and His Grace provides guarantee of eternal salvation SO LONG AS we remain in God, and we can fall out of God by MORTAL SIN, and there is LESSER sin in which we stay in God, but we have added a stain to our soul, which then needs to be purified.

                  “If any one sees his brother committing what is not a mortal sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin which is mortal; I do not say that one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is a sin which is not mortal.”~1 John 5:16-17

                  Having Grace alone doesn’t guarantee Salvation, for we can, and do, reject God’s grace when we sin. That is why “Faith without works is dead,” you can believe, and have faith all you want, but you still have to work to allow Grace into you, to work salvation through you, and to keep yourself away from sin which tears you from God and His saving Grace.

                2. So, you don’t believe the Bible when it says that Jesus paid the penalty for ALL our sins? You quote a lot of man made doctrine, which the Bible warns us about, but you don’t answer the scripture that I share. I have quoted scripture that 100% disputes the catholic teachings, but you seem to ignore that. God’s Word is the final authority. The Bible is given to us from God, not man. We are told to not follow doctrine of men and their traditions. I have shared that scripture with you, but you seem to ignore it and quote more man made doctrine.

                  Thanks for the discussion and I hope you and your family have a blessed Christmas season!

                3. i was just quoting what we Catholics teach in the first part, the rest is how the bible confirms it, lol.

                  (also there is that little passage “I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”(~ Matthew 18:18) i think…?)

                  Yes the bible tells us He has paid the price for ALL our sins. but it is still up to US whether or not we accept or decline His saving Grace. After baptism we are wiped clean of all punishment due to sin, temporal and spiritual by the Grace of Christ’s death on the cross. However sin against God afterwards (A.K.A. willful rejection of Grace) leaves a mark (if it isn’t mortal) and has to be cleaned, for “nothing unclean will enter [Heaven], nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies,” (~Revelation 21:27) and sin makes us unclean, and thus we must always work on making our souls as pure as we can, and that’s why we need purgatory to help with the shine.

                  Tis but simple logic! 😛

                  Anyway, this has been a fun discussion and I hope you and your family have a blessed and very Merry Christmas!

                  I got presents to wrap 😉

                4. By your own admission, Jesus paid for all sins. 1 John 1:7 tells us that Jesus’ blood CLEANSES us from ALL sin. That being true, why would one have to go to a place called purgatory when Jesus’ blood cleanses us from all sin? Rev 21:27 is talking about eternal Hell, not a place called purgatory. If one has not been clenseed by the blood of Christ (born again) they will be cast into a lake of fire at the Great White Throne Juadgement.

                  Hebrews (I shared last night) says He died ONCE for ALL.

                5. Rev 21 is talking about how no one who is unclean can enter.

                  “This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, PURIFIES us from all sin.

                  “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, he is faithful and just and WILL forgive us our sins and PURIFY us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not in us.” ~ 1 John 1:5-10

                  Does that sound like Salvation is an over and done thing just because He died for us? No, He forgives us in His blood IF we confess our sins. And seeing as most people sin throughout their lives, we need to confess regularly and forgiveness/salvation is therefore an ongoing process. His Blood forgives all sins but we have to ask/work for it, to obtain it.

                  And suppose you have a lesser sin unworthy of eternal damnation (1 John 5:16-17) and you die but haven’t confessed yet? “nothing unclean will enter [Heaven]” after all…

                  More over…. how do you protestants confess your sins to God after baptism in the first place? 😛

        2. No, you just believe that somehow the early Christians got it all wrong for 1500 years and then Martin Luther came along and saved the day! Do you really abide but Martin Luther’s beliefs and teachings- I would say not-his love for Mary the Mother of God-his dislike of the Jews-his belief and practice of the Holy Eucharist? Martin Luther was all over the place yet upon his “revelations” the Protestants built “their faith”….it would be far better for you to go back and study church history as taught by the apostles and those that followed them-the early church fathers!

          1. I never said anything about Martin Luther. Not sure where you came up with that stuff. I’m quoting Jesus not man.

  9. The Pope is nothing more than a tool being used to bring about a One World Religion along with a One World Government all to use a One World Currency to be used in the One World Economy. He is a tool…

  10. Now look what you’ve done RS, this page is now at war between Catholics and protestants all because the pope (whose infallibility is spiritual not temporal like SOME protestants claim) said he hopes peace in a war torn land happens soon -_-

    1. Well you are certainly correct in one sense. Catholics expect Christians to roll over and accept Catholic claims as legitimate and Biblical. And that is something that orthodox Christians can never do. So every time a Catholic comes here and makes a claim that the Catholic church is the one true church, and that The Pope’s ex cathedra rulings are infallible, don’t expect other orthodox Christians to buy in and expect to be contradicted.

      The Pope can express “hope for peace” all he wants. His words are irrelevant. His actions of giving succor and affirmation to the bogus claims of Palestinians is dangerous and flies in the face of Biblical truths.

      1. Las1, how many national conservatives are calling for a one state solution or saying that they hope peace doesn’t come soon? If you can’t expect CONSERVATIVES to demand a one state solution, how can you expect the Pope, who does have to outreach to the Muslim world for conversion, to do so?

        1. Oh I would definitely agree with you somewhat there on that statement.

          What we should expect from conservatives is what Allen West, for example, says. He says Israel belongs to Israel, and the so-called Palestinians have a homeland already… it’s called Jordan. Newt Gingrich says exactly the same thing. It would be wonderful if “conservatives” stood for the same truth… but sadly they bought into the “two-state” falsehood which officially began under G.W. Bush… to America’s great shame.

          What we should not expect is the Pope to compromise scriptural integrity for the land of Israel to appease Islam. He is a Christian spiritual leader pure and simple. His word means something especially regarding Israel. But Islam hates us period! Catholics, Protestants, Jews, even themselves. There is NOTHING the Pope could say to gain their approval. Every demand of Islam is a platform from which to launch new demands. The Pope is being played. And he has fallen for equivocation and appeasement. That is what makes this so galling.

          1. Well one can argue that it is the CATHOLIC CHURCH, that has taking up the title of the new “Israel” in the bible (as in God’s chosen people) but how does he go against scripture? What do you expect him to do? Call for the extermination of the Palestinians from Israel?

            I expect the Pope or any christian leader to deal with Israel just as we would any other solvent nation.

            Also i would like to point to a certain passage…:

            “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.”

            ~Matthew 24:36

            If even JESUS doesn’t know the hour, how can you expect that the answer of when the end times happen, to be in a book? To an extension, how do we know that this Israel is THE Israel from the end times? Could it be that the Israel from the end times is CENTURIES away from now after the current Israel is destroyed again?

            I personally believe that this Israel is from the end times, but thats it, a hunch, an opinion, nothing more. I support Israel as the ally of America and the shining example of liberty is a tyrannical land, not because it’s God’s chosen people. And i will not waste time on whether it is or until the “hour” has struck.

            1. Who’s asking for extermination? That’s a straw man.

              The issue of “the last day” isn’t in question in this discussion. But Catholic replacement theology is in question here.

              The Promise was made to Israel outside of the Law… 430 years before the law. God’s Promise to Abraham still stands despite Israel’s breaking of the Covenant. The promise was made to Abraham in response to his faith. God can’t lie. He will fulfill his promise. See Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise.

              I have no issue with the Pope in terms of him being the the head of the RCC. In that capacity, it is inconceivable that he would league himself and his church to a political stance which would lead to the destruction of the Jewish people. And sadly that is what he and other Christian leaders have done. He just has to look to the Hamas Charter Article 7 to understand that.

  11. The Pope is a biblical man. He knows that the Old Covenant doesn’t apply to the Jews anymore, since they were supposed to accept Christ with the New Covenant. So assuming that the Pope doesn’t know his biblical knowledge is ridiculous.
    Now why is it important that the Old Covenant doesn’t apply anymore? Because in the Old, they were promised their land, but it’s no longer their land because of the New.

      1. Not according to St. Paul. He debated this very thing with the jews. They refused the new doctrines of Jesus and failed to interpret his teachings, and instead, they wanted to interpret the Old Testament. Read it St. Paul’s epistles. It’s all there.

        1. Of course the Jews refused Paul’s teaching… because they rejected Messiah. But while the old Covenant law was fulfilled and completed in Jesus’ atoning sacrifice, God’s promises to his people were not nullified. Therein lies the deficiency in your theology.

          Romans 11:1-2 ” I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not!… God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.”

          Yes the age of grace has arrived, and Jesus died once for all sins and the sacrificial system has ceased, but the promises of land still apply and the Church has NOT replaced physical Israel.

          And your statement, “Because in the Old, they were promised their land, but it’s no longer their land because of the New. is flat out wrong.

          Start with Joel 3:2 “I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land.” Does this look like God has taken land away from Israel?

          Joel 3:2 is just one of many scriptures like Isaiah and Ezekiel and Daniel which talk of the Saviour coming to save his people Israel. It will all be centred around His people the Jews in Israel.

          1. You’re quoting scripture from the Old Testament. Please show me in the New Testament where modern-day Israelis are promised their land.

            1. That’s a horribly unthinking question. Until you are able to understand that all scripture, both Old and New Testament are intertwined with exegetical application for end days prophecy and it’s application to Israel, then there is very little to discuss. And by the way that question is as foolish as those who advocate homosexuality because Jesus himself in the Gospels didn’t specifically sanction against it.

              Frankly… you just have to do better than that to be taken seriously.

    1. Are you saying they are no longer promised the land? That is replacement theology. The covenant God made with Abraham and his descendants was an unconditional everlasting covenant.

  12. For all of you people who have been decrying how the Pope is a lefty really don’t understand the Church, and you are REALLY clueless as to what the Holy Father believes.

    First of all, yes, Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler Youth because it was mandatory back then. He was then conscripted when he was older into the ranks (an anti-aircraft artillery unit, I believe) but he deserted as soon as he was able. He was captured by Americans and freed after the war where he went into seminary, and made alliances with several anti-communist Church leaders, including a prominent Polish Cardinal.

    Since becoming Pope, Ratzinger has been trying to purge the Church of heretics, secularists, and has appointed those who are of like mind into offices of bishop and cardinals. He has allowed for the Tridentine Mass to be openly practiced, he has brought back the Anglicans who are fed up with the liberals in their church, the pathway for the Orthodox will soon open, and just last week issued new beatdowns on so-called Catholic charitable organizations which are nothing but leftist fronts. He regularly preaches against secularism, humanism, marxism, socialism, and all other dangerous and ungodly philosophies.

    And the Pope doesn’t know the Bible? Pah-leeze. That’s just sad commentary about a man who is one of the most highly intelligent and gifted scholars of theology alive today, and among one of the best the Church has ever produced. Everyone, Catholic and non-Catholic alike would be well advised to read his Jesus trilogy of books. It is Benedict’s hope that ALL would be converted to Christ–especially those in the Holy Land.

    1. A very sad commentary, indeed, about a man who is one of the most highly intelligent and gifted scholars of theology alive today, and among one of the best the Church has ever produced. It calls into question not of his knowledge, or his gifted scholars of theology, but his discernment (or lack thereof) of the spririt of anti-Christ who seeks to destroy the nation of Isreal, God’s covenant people.

        1. Is the pope oblivious of the fact that the Palestinian, P.L.O.’s original Charter called for the destruction of the State of Israel? FATEH’s constitution, Article 19, it still calls for the destruction of Israel.

            1. Just like the old time, false hope of peace, peace, peace when there is no peace. Can you honestly believe that there`ll be peace of mutual co-existence between the two states, when one state is determined to destroy the other and refuses to denounce their constitution which call for the destruction of Israel?

              1. Of course not, but what else is the Pope suppose to call for or any conservative for that matter. The only way a one state solution will happen is if Israel just takes over Gaza and the west bank and do some massive deportations. If that ever happens all i hope the US doesn’t stand in its way and prevent the world from going to war with Israel.

                1. Quite the other way around, my friend. Land-for-peace is no solution either, though in 2000, Bill Clinton convened a Camp-David peace summit between Palestinian President Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. The Israeli PM Ehud Barak offered the Palestinian leader approximately 95% of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip. We all know what`s the result? The Arafat rejected the offer and infatida uprising ensued.

                2. I KNOW ALL THAT! I”M personally in favor of the one state solution. i’m EXPLAINING why it’s unfair to expect the spiritual leader of the world to take sides in a conflict in place of hoping for peace!

                3. I understand your view point completely. John Paul II, the spiritual leader of Catholic Church, a man of peace, stood with Ronald Reagan for truth against the tyrany of Soviet communism. The Pope helped ordinary Poles and East Europeans banished their fear of Soviet Communism, convincing them that liberation was possible. Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II and PM Thacher changed the cause of history and the defeat Soviet communism without firing a shot. A true spiritual dares to stand for the truth, not just political appeasement for the sake UN politics and false peace.

                4. i agree, but in a case like this, what action can the current Pope take in regards to the situation in Israel? If it’s so obvious, YOU tell ME. The truth being fought over here is temporal, not spiritual.

                5. And this Pope HAS been taking a stand for Truth, by God he has, he has been waging war against the Leftists INSIDE the Church ruthlessly, has taken HUGE leaps in unifying the Christian world again, Anglicans, Lutherans, and possibly the SSPX (Society of St. Pius Z) back into ONE church with greater unity than at any time for a thousand years with the Eastern Orthodox Churches, (and for it has won the title “The Pope of Christian Unity”) and has stood solid against Social evils like Abortion and Gay Marriage. So excuse him if he doesn’t try to aggravate the Muslim world in an act that most likely would do more harm than good.

                6. I agree with you, to the credits of the pope standing for the truth, good works and Biblical moral principles against social decay and evil. Certainly appropriate in his role to wish and pray for the world peace. Just find it a bit strange that the Pope praises new UN status for Palestinians which seemed to render credence to the Palestinian`s statehood whose sole purpose is for the destruction of Israel, not mutual peace.

  13. The Catholic Church (as well as the Episcopal church and some other mainline Protestant groups) errs in regard to Islam. They are as blind to Islam’s atrocities and human rights violations as the liberals and the UN.

    The Catechism (CCC#841) claims Islam is a path to salvation. Wrong.

    Islam has denied the deity of Christ, has no theology of salvation through Jesus Christ’s substitutionary sacrifice. Islam demotes Jesus to minor prophet and places Mohammed above Jesus. (Mormonism errs in a similar fashion). There is no forgiveness and redemption in Islam…just punishment.

    The fruit of Islam is the opposite of the Fruit of the Holy Spirit.

    Islam produces tyranny, injustice, misogyny, violence, racism, aggression, rape, hatred, aggression, bondage, anger, conflict, death.

    The Fruit of the Holy Spirit is Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Gentleness, Humility/meekness, Self-control. Plus, Hope, Faith, Freedom, Forgiveness, Redemption, a changed heart, new life.

    1. Oh my goodness… I just looked it up… it does say that. And Muslims in the first place no less. And it’s ex cathedra… and infallible. More evidence for questioning Catholics.

      841 “The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

        1. Yes… but the real question is do they worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. John 4:24

          In John 4, Jesus corrects the Samaritan woman in verse 22 saying that she worships what she does not know. He didn’t say she worshiped another God. It was her lack of knowledge with God’s true attributes that was the issue. The same applies to Jews today.

  14. As a Catholic convert, and someone who knows the faith pretty well, I don’t know what the Pope is thinking. But, let me go one step further… So many Catholics and others are walking around in the friggin’ clouds acting as though ecumenical ideas and efforts are the answer. Jesus said to love. Ok! But loving someone who has a knife to your throat isn’t realistic. I know what the saints did, but most of us aren’t saints. They’re the enemy and should be treated as such.

    1. To throw away the freedoms that God gave us, the rights He gave us, and to throw away the protections of living in albeit post-Christian societies is a slap to the face of our loving Saviour.

      In the same way, bearing our throats to Muslim savages and calling it Christian charity is a perversion of the Gospel. It’s not Christian… it is telling Jesus that we don’t care about the freedoms He gave us through the groanings of the history of Judeo-Christian Western Civilization, and further it’s telling him we couldn’t care less about the freedom and security that we are expected to pass on to our children.

      So in short, the mealy mouthed language of the Pope and liberal Christians lines up with the previous statement I just made.

    2. The Papacy no longer has temporal power to command Europe to face Islam anymore, his power is merely the spiritual. It’d be best if everyone here recognize it.

  15. Naivety considering the P.A. only want a state so they can take Israel to the International Criminal Court. The misnamed Palestinians are not fit for a state until they recognize Israel and agree to live in peaceful coexistence.

  16. The Palestinians have a state, it’s called Jordan. A greedy bunch, that’s what the Palestinians are. And what so many people don’t seem to understand is, they DON’T want PEACE.. They want the JEWISH nation DEAD…. FOREVER!

    1. He’s being ‘political’… Politically Correct.

      Bad move.

      He had better not start catering to the left or he will have to have openly gay, transgender, lesbian, married and women priests as well as fund abortion and contraception, allow same sex unions, pedophilia and polygamy.

      Many Catholic priests have gone ahead with many of these things, however…despite church canons to the contrary.

        1. Look at this thread title. Just because you’re against gay marriage doesn’t make you a conservative, much less an ultra-conservative. His liberal positions outweigh that by far.
          He’s pro-Palestine, anti-death penalty, and possibly pro-social justice and pro-illegal immigration.

            1. He’s aiding Palestine by giving them quarter and supporting plans against Israel. This UN treaty is meant to marginalize Israel and would make Jimmy Carter proud.

  17. Let’s see where the Lord stands on this dividing of Israel into The Zionist Entityand a Palestinian state.

    “I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land. Joel 3:2

  18. Apparently the Pope doesn’t read the Bible much . But if he decides to educate himself at some point, he might want to start his readings at Joel 3. Dividing up the land of Israel does not make God real happy.

  19. I have always believed that their is a very distinct difference between European Christianity and American Christianity.

    And the difference is that sacred parchment called the Constitution. Period. No other country has it. None. They either want it or want to destroy it. And right now, we are on the road to destruction of it. Pure and simple.

    So call me whatever you will. But I’m a Constitutional Conservative clinging to God, Faith and my Guns!!!! It’s the last vestige of this great nation. It sits at the core of who we are. I will never go down without a fight. And a fight it will be!! I don’t bow to any one man. I won’t sit down. And I won’t shut up! Four years we put up with this crap from both sides. And I refuse to let them win it all the next four!! This is ridiculous.

    Individually we are strong. But together, we are unbeatable. It’s time to KNOW history to not keep repeating it. Those who go against Israel are on the losing end. The Pope wants to test God on this? I don’t believe he chose, wisely? There is peace through strength. I think he has forgotten that?

  20. After this election, I, as a Roman Catholic, completely gave up on the Church (Rome). There should not have been one – NOT ONE!!! – Catholic vote for Obama given what he’s trying to do to religious freedom – particularly the Catholic church, yet he still managed to get over 60% of the Catholic vote.

    The Church has been in bed with the left for decades. My mother went to Catholic school in NY for 1-12, and she particularly recalls that in high school, nearly every single one of her teacher-nuns was a leftist.

    The Church has embraced left-wing propaganda like amnesty – of course, they say it’s in the name of humanity. I believe it’s because 90% of the illegals are Catholic and the Church is counting all that money that might hit the collection plate every week.

    The Church is quick to lecture us about capital punishment, illegal immigration, social justice (yes, it’s true! SOCIAL JUSTICE!), but that SAME Church will invite a baby-killer like Nancy Pelosi for an audience with the Pope. Are you FRIGGIN’ KIDDING ME?!?!?!?!?!

    I love my Lord and Savior. I am secure in my faith. I pray.

    But I would like to plagiarize, somewhat, Ronald Reagan in saying: I didn’t leave the Roman Catholic Church. The Roman Catholic Church left me.

    1. I wish more Catholics would come to the same realization as you have.They voted for the most pro abortion president in history.What does that say about the Catholic church?

      1. It says that they have, unfortunately, fallen victim to the same brain disease as most American Jews. Liberalism is their religion, and Jewish/Catholic is just some “other” label.

        1. Bull.Hypocrites.Following their political ideology rather than their Christian values.Prove me wrong.

    2. carmen Christ has not left you, and salvation is still there for you.
      I know you angry , so am I .
      You must understand whats happening to the church. Its an organized attack on the bride of Christ by progz. (those voters were NOT catholic in their hearts their religion is progressivism they use the church to advance their agenda)

      social justice started with the church , the progz hijacked the word . It doesnt mean what you think. U can find out the real meaning if you look around on some trad cath sites

      1. As if it wasn’t bad enough knowing our Sunday offerings were being used to pay lawyers/settlements in the countless altar boy abuse cases…

      2. Also Raised a Roman Catholic, no longer attend Church but i do pray to Christ. Have come to believe that most Christian Church’s of all faith’s ,have become infested with marxist and pedophiles by design,to undermine Christianity from the inside. Much as i believe at least 95% of the dems and repubs ( Even though some repubs pretend to be Conservative ) have been undermined by design and with a clear purpose by marxism and pedophillia to destroy it from the inside. You can see that very clearly now, as the repubs lead by Boehner ( And really the Bush crime family above that ) are caving more openly and brazenly on everything with less and less pretense. Same with Catholicism and organized Religion in general.

        1. I was raised Catholic, but I’ve never been happy with the cozy relationship of the Church with the Left..

          1. It’s the whole social justice thing eh? I read that it is the same thing with the Democratic Jewish people as well.

            1. Resounding yes on that front…time and time again I see my family and friends vote against Israel’s interests.

    1. actually only 25 percent of Catholics actually go to mass every sunday, and Romney won those in a landside.

      The 75% who don’t go to mass aren’t real catholics in the first place -_-

    2. Hang tough! It was voter Fraud. There is no way these numbers even come close to making any sense. The turnout in rally’s for even a stiff like MITTEN’S and all the other pre-election indicators had MITTEN’S winning in a landslide yet Obama somehow puleed it off. Yep,it must have been his response to “Super Storm Sandy”. sarc. The Establishment of both parties would like us to believe that the tied has turned and we are no longer a majority of American’s. They are doing that inorder to depress and dispirit us to make it easier to enslave us and it’s all HOGWASH!

      We are still the vast Majority,believe that, not only because it’s important for morale purposes, but because it also happen’s to be true! All you have to do to realize that is to look at the continuing record Breaking Firearms sales and then realize there are atleast 90 million Firearms owners in the United States, possesing over 300 million Firearms and we are to believe that the majority of those people voted for Obama after he mentioned he would like to re-institute an Assault Weapons Ban. Are they Bleeping me? Hang in there we are still the majority!

  21. This is not surprising, but it is disturbing. The Catholic leaders ought to know there will never be true peace between muslims and Israel.
    Marching to the one world religion… the luke warm, “coexisting” Liodecian church.

  22. By following the Bible, the history of the Catholic church, and even better – the history of this pope, one can seemingly conclude that Catholism is not a divine organization that a Christian God would approve. Even this Pope’s history of rearranging pedophiles, ..Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth—as membership was required by law for all 14-year-old German boys after December 1939[10]—but was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings, according to his brother…Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry… – nothing more than a coward and an opportunist …The Bible says not to judge others, that God shall do that, but many of them also overwhelming supported Obama, thus the killing of innocent babies, socialized (communistized) the health system, and the destruction of the USA, and on and on: (Reuters) – Post-election polling shows U.S. Roman Catholics were as likely to favor President Barack Obama as the general population in 2012, continuing the Catholic record as the bellwether of the popular vote.

    Catholics – the country’s largest religious group with one-quarter of the population – have supported the winner of the popular vote in every election since 1972…. But then so did the Jews: Jewish Vote Goes 69 Percent For Barack Obama: Exit Polls

    We’re all screwed, I’m tellin’ ya. .. but continue fighting the good fight!!

      1. Yep. I now live in Hungary and tell my students that they can vote for the US president. They don’t believe me, but I make it clear that I’m not joking. Even their 5 children (which they don’t have) can vote. The whole thing is a joke. I grew up in a Catholic family, but I do now staunch Catholics who voted for him. The Jews, of all people who have lived through the Holocaust – adult and children body count – vote for Obama, who hates Israel, but loves the yearly Holocaust we call abortion, even supports post birth abortions – voted for him, his “Culture of Corruption”, the gun running through Mexican cartels, the supplying Al Queda and other like-minded groups. This Pope, leader of the Catholic denomination – he’s a pathetic sight, but Catholics usually “go with the flow”. Lots of protestants also voted for this baboon. Most of the blacks, even though he is the worst person in the world for them – just look at the wake of destruction he left in Chicago. It’s not logical by any stretch of the imagination, but these are the facts- and one reason I converted to Christianity again. The devil is here. The Gods of the Copybook Headings:

    1. Massive voter Fraud got Obama elected. The number’s don’t even begin to make sense. We are still in the vast majority.

  23. Palestinians do not want their own state. They want Israel’s state, including Jerusalem. They also want the Jews dead. So does Allah. So does Mohammed. So do all of Islam’s true subjects. All others are “hypocrites”. Death to Jews is part of their “religion”. Deal with it. It’s what is known as the truth.

  24. You are naive to think the Pope is “Biblical” or is fair-minded. On the contrary; He is an obvious hater of Jews and Israel. Where was he when innocent Jews were butchered. Now, because “Palestinians” make some noise, the he is for them. The fact that there never was such a “people” before 1963 to him is irrelevant.

    Give honor and respect where it’s deserved, not just because someone holds a title.

  25. This statement is very serious and either the Pope has to give an explanation or his doctor, in the case that he is suffering from Alzheimer’s disease.

    1. I have thought and it is written in Scripture. The Pope needs to rethink his political stance and a little Bible study would go a long way to knowing the Truth of the matter.

  26. Really? He’s forgotten more about the Bible than you or I will ever know. Humility is a virtue you should exercise a little more. Benedict has boldly confronted Islamic violence. His speech at Regensberg was a historically pivotal moment.

    Look it up.

    He’s proved his faith by putting himself in harm’s way many times as did his blessed predecessor. When the Chair of Peter chooses to embrace his enemy and invite him to live in peace is that not Christian?

  27. As a Catholic I am appalled at the Pope for praising this. Doesn’t he know the Bible?????? I guess not. Can’t write anymore, I’m just too angry.

        1. It’s one thing to blindly hope for a solution, but to praise the UN resolution upgrading the status of the Palestinians? They Palestinians don’t want to negotiate for peace because they don’t recognize Israel’s statehood. That’s why they went to the UN.

          The Pope should be in Israel denouncing the UN resolution with Netanyahu.

          1. If you knew anything about the pope you’d know the solution he hopes for is for both sides to accept Christ, ie convert. And as for his knowledge of the Bible; it says nothing about the modern state of Israel, you’re reading it wrong. And as I predicted, this whole thread has become an anticatholic screed by a bunch of ignorant protestants and excatholics.

            1. And if you knew anything about Islam you’d know that the Pope is wrong on this one. Anything but full support for Israel vis a vis the Mohammedans is foolish…….at best.

          2. You’re certainly a good Republican. Avoiding substance and roiling the waters.

            I notice you didn’t bother to respond to my reference to the Regensberg Univ. address or Benedict’s multiple trips to the Mideast.

            I ask again, did the Lord not say to “Love your enemies”? Can St. Peter do less than follow his Lord’s command?

        2. If I may underscore RS’s initial statement “…there won’t be true peace between Israel and the Palestinians and believing in some UN pipe dream for the sake of peace is fruitless.”

          Someone I highly regard once recommended a movie: “Islam – What the West Needs to Know” – I would recommend it to all who believe there can be a diplomatic resolution to the brutal islamic campaign against Israel.

          The only person this movie would NOT help would be a confirmed muslim.

        3. The Pope doesn’t understand that Isreal and statehood aren’t the problem or solution. It’s the Palestinians who are hell bent on destroying Israel that is the problem and always has been. The solution lies with the Palestinians and always has. But they’re not interested. The Pope seems to think that if we just play nice and accept the Palestinians, that everything will be resolved. That’s the height of naiveté.

      1. You’re right and as a Catholic I will back you 100%. The Pope should know better and should have Israel’s back.

      2. You do express some dislike for Catholicism from time to time. You did make fun of holy water on Twitter.

        1. Is that true? I am genuinely disheartened. As a relative newbie to RS, I was under the impression people were united here. It reminds me of those folks who pass out anti-Catholic pamphlets at pro-life rallies. Disappointing.

          1. It usually is united here. This is the first time I’m seeing this anti-Catholic stuff, which is sad, considering we need to stay strong against the strong wind of secularism sweeping our way. And, I’m not even Catholic … but, my Orthodox religion gets the same type of “criticism.”

            1. I am sorry to hear that you, too, have felt criticism among conservatives for your faith. I wholeheartedly agree that this is not only the time but also the opportunity for people of faith to unite against the growing secular culture.

              From time to time I may disagree with a prominent Protestant leader but I don’t then question if he is a “biblical man” as did RS towards BXVI. I also would not make fun of a spiritual practice (as RS apparently did regarding holy water.)

              Overall, I am disheartened (and shocked) by many RS member responses regarding Catholicism. Certainly, I get as discouraged as anyone with regard to the liberal, “social justice” Catholics. But I can assure everyone that devout, orthodox Catholics are many of those leading the charge against this self-serving culture of death and relativism–Pope Benedict, included.

              1. Oh yes, I have heard it many times. They don’t agree with ritual, the priesthood, saints, our way of doing infant Baptism. I have relatives that are now non-denomational/evangelical. They “pick and choose” what family event to come to-infant Baptism no, marriage yes, etc. I can go on and on.

                I have no problem with people disagreeing with Rome and the Pope himself, but what I don’t like AT ALL, are the obvious judgements like “Catholics are not Christians, Satan is the Pope, the Pope is not a Biblical man, etc. etc.” It’s sick to me, and frankly, the posters spewing this stuff have NO clue how ignorant they sound.

                Sometimes, evangelicals need to understand why they get a bad rap. I’m always defending them to the liberals … but, when they do stuff like this, it turns off other sympathetic Christians who would naturally be their allies. This is why Christianity as a whole is in disarray.

                1. Merry Christmas to you as well. Listen to some Handel’s Messiah .. its a great cure to what ails us. 🙂

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