UM…The Pope praises new UN status for Palestinians



I thought the Pope was supposed to be a Biblical man? If he is he should know that there won’t be true peace between Israel and the Palestinians and believing in some UN pipe dream for the sake of peace is fruitless. But even more than that he’s revealed that he also doesn’t understand Islam, which at its core wants to destroy Israel. And this is exactly what the Palestinians want.

Sheesh. I’m not trying to dis the Pope, but this is a problem:

TIMES OF ISRAEL – Pope Benedict XVI told Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas Monday that he hopes the Palestinians’ upgrade to nonmember observer state at the UN will hasten the international community into finding a solution to its conflict with Israel.

The Palestinian leader is visiting Europe to thank countries that voted for the upgrade. Abbas met with the Pope to praise him for supporting the Palestinians’ recent bid. All European Union countries except for the Czech Republic either supported the motion or abstained from the vote.

The Holy See is the only other entity to hold the status of nonmember observer state at the UN.

The Vatican had warmly welcomed the vote, and a Vatican statement said that “it is hoped that this initiative will encourage the commitment of the international community to finding a fair and lasting solution” to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Abbas chatted privately with Pope Benedict for 30 minutes and then met with the Vatican’s top diplomats. Abbas gave Benedict a mosaic of the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem — with an inscription saying it was presented by the “President of the state of Palestine.”

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dk_in_tn
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dk_in_tn

The Pope is wrong.

Shannon Collins
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Shannon Collins

I know it’s difficult for “Amen” corner to understand, but not all Arabs are Muslims. Some are actually Christian with many adhering to ancient rituals that connect them with the earliest centuries of the Catholic Church. For decades now, they have been living in an apartheid like environment with walled cities and limitation of movement. Rommola, the very home of the PLO and Arafat, has a sizable Christian population and other cities like Bethlehem used to have far more Christians than Muslims. But then came the Zionist terrorists and the Israeli government and the exodus began, leaving few believers behind in the city of Christ’s Birth. The Israel government, which is utterly secular and Zionist in nature, cares little for these individuals. Some modern Protestants state that helping Israel will bring blessings according to the Bible. But what is the “Israel” spoken of here? Again, is it the Zionist tribe… Read more »

Laurel
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Laurel

He just threw Christians all over the world under the bus.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

How so?

Laurel
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Laurel

Because this will embolden persecution of Christians in the name of a Palestinian state all over the world. Christians are currently being butchered at mach 5 in North Africa and the ME. Syrian rebels have already told the Christians in Syria to convert or be killed.

Don’t get me started on what it does to the Jews and if I believed in conspiracies I would have to say it might have to do with the Pope being a Nazi in his youth….but I don’t believe in conspiracy theories.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

What are you smoking? i want some of it! Cause all he said was that he hopes this speeds up the peace process…. that’s it.

Stop throwing rotten tomatoes at the Pope for the sake of throwing rotten tomatoes at the Pope -_-

Laurel
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Laurel

You are entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. And BTW…the consensus is not with you on this one.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

yeah, because 3 out of 5 people here on this site are protestant and alot of the Catholics here most likely saw the title and skipped over because they don’t want to deal with Pope bashers like you razz

Laurel
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Laurel

Uh huh yes dear…whatever assumptions you want to make dear…whatever you would like to say dear…yes dear….

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Thank you dear! rofl

mikeinidaho
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mikeinidaho

Nice going, Pope! You just threw Israel under the bus. If I was meaner, I would say that you are imitating whichever Pope it was that started the Crusades in the 1100’s!
(Was it Pope Innocent, I don’t remember?)

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Pope Urban

stevenbiot
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stevenbiot

As John Goodman says in the Big Lebowski, ” 10 year olds, dude.”

1endtimes2020
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1endtimes2020

I meant to say SHE (I had written ‘he’)wanted the Bishop to tell the Pope he and the Bishops of the world, were to consecrate Russia to her Immaculate Heart.

1endtimes2020
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1endtimes2020

The Pope and Abbas had a 30 minute discussion, huh? I wonder if the Pope discussed the burning of Catholic churches, the actual crucifixion of Christians, the murders of priests and Bishops and members of the church. CNN won’t communicate this horror, and not even the National Enquirer. The Pope knows the Church was liberalized in the early 60s with Vatican 2. It has gone downhill ever since. It accepted homosexuals as priests who convinced the seminaries they could control their desires best as priests. Yeah, sure. The purpose was to give the Church a bad name and destroy it from within. Now the Pope is under pressure to consecrate Russia to the Immaculate Heart of Mary—yes, the Mother of Jesus Christ and Mother of God. In 1917 she appeared at Fatima, Portugal, to three shepherd children. She told the children to tell the Bishop he wanted the Pope and… Read more »

deTocqueville1
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deTocqueville1

Sadly he is just carrying on the delusional message of his predecessor! The same old belief that the church of Rome will somehow rule over a united Palestine as in the days of the Caesars.

Brian Burlingame
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Brian Burlingame

Oh now THIS thread is fun…Popcorn time… Man, if an outsider was looking in or a new site visitor this thread would look really bad.

PhillyCon
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PhillyCon

I know what you mean. Ugh.

PK
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PK

Response to John3_3. I won`t say that Catechism of the Catholic Church as going against the very core fundamentals of the Bible. eg. 14 Those who belong to Christ through faith and Baptism must confess their baptismal faith before men.16 First therefore the Catechism. The profession of faith summarizes the gifts that God gives man: as the Author of all that is good; as Redeemer; and as Sanctifier. It develops these in the three chapters on our baptismal faith in the one God: the almighty Father, the Creator; his Son Jesus Christ, our Lord and Savior; and the Holy Spirit, the Sanctifier, in the Holy Church; and the doxology. There`re many godly saints in the Catholic church. Who can be in a position to dogmatically say that the catholic catechism is man made doctrine and thus mother Teresa, Pope John Paul II and many other saintly Catholic bishops are not… Read more »

John3_3
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Anyone that has faith in the catholic religion and what they teach is not born again according to God’s Word. The very teaching of the catholic church proves this. Their teachings on salvation are in stark contrast to the Word of God’s teachings on salvation. The Bible says: Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; (This says nothing about baptism, communion, confession, church attendance…) Take the false teachings of purgatory for example. If the Bible says that Jesus’ blood cleanses us from ALL sin, why would anyone have to go to place called purgatory to have their sins cleansed? 1Jo 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his… Read more »

Alex
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Alex

I respect people’s religion and if you’re Catholic I respect that if you go by your beliefs. That said there’s something John Hagee said that I would agree with. I’m Protestant.
There’s been people up there in the echelons too aiding illegals and preaching social justice.

John3_3
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John3_3

The catholic belief system goes against the very core fundamentals of the Bible. Why would they start getting it right now?

I used to be a catholic, then I read the Bible. Whenever a religion has another book (catholic catechism) in addition to the Word of God, run away… run far, far away!

Let me remind you what Jesus said:

Mt 15:9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

The catholic catechism is the foundation of the catholic faith. And it is man made doctrine.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Ok, how does the Catholic Church go against the Bible, and have you even STUDIED catechism?

John3_3
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John3_3

I don’t need to study man made doctrine because my Lord and Savior told me that the teaching of man made doctrine is vain. So why would I want to study it? I would rather study God’s Word. I do know quite a bit of what the catechism contains. Catholic church teaches that you have to meet a list of requirements in order to hope to get to heaven. The Bible teaches that you are saved by grace through faith Eph. 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5. The catholic church teaches you that you can’t know for sure that you will go to heaven. The Bible tells us that you can know without a doubt that you can go to Heaven. 1 John 5:13. That catholic church teaches the false doctrine of purgatory. The Bile doesn’t mention anything about purgatory. The catholic church teaches that when you die, if enough money is… Read more »

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Sorry, but if you’re baptized that doesn’t give you a free pass into heaven, suppose you commit a thousand murders? If you believe you’ll be saved…. right? Wrong! “What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him? If a brother or sister is naked and destitute of daily food, and one of you says to them, “Depart in peace, be warmed and filled,” but you do not give them the things which are needed for the body, what does it profit? Thus also faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead.” ~ James 2:14-17 And YES the bible DOES talk about Purgatory, (i just pray that i’ll be able to REACH it when i die lol) “But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[b] shall be in danger… Read more »

John3_3
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John3_3

Baptism has nothing to do with salvation. Did you not read my scripture references? Eph. 2:8-9 and Titus 3:5 Your interpretation of James 2:14-17 is flawed. That is one of the most misunderstood verses in the Bible, probably. He is not saying that you don’t have faith if you don’t have good deeds. He is saying that the faith you have (if you have been born again) is a dead faith because you aren’t allowing Jesus to manifest Himself through you. You still have faith but you aren’t doing anything with it for God. Ro 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law. Matthew 2:22-26 is not talking about the fictitious teachings of purgatory, “judgement” is referring to a civil court. “Hell” is from the greek word Geenna which means ETERNAL condemnation. Rev. 21:27 is talking about those that have not… Read more »

John3_3
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Ro 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Ro 5:1 ¶ Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

Ga 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Ga 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Sorry, thought you were in the “baptism alone and we’re saved!” crowd, you wouldn’t believe how many of them there are -_- yeah, we are only saved by the Grace of God, THAT WE MUST ACT UPON, because “faith without works is dead.” And frankly what you said is correct, and in fact doesn’t really conflict with what we Catholics teach “Jesus to manifest Himself through you. You still have faith but you aren’t doing anything with it for God.” Basically not doing good works means your faith is dead. That’s what the Church teaches. “But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause[b] shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, ‘Raca!’ shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be in danger of hell fire. Therefore if you bring your gift to… Read more »

John3_3
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John3_3

You said we still have to pay for our sins. This is why the catholic teaching is wrong!! Jesus paid for all of our sins!! To say anything different is to reject Christ! Please, please understand this! I was where you are right now 9 years ago! Heb 9:12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us. 1Co 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s. 1Co 7:23 Ye are bought with a price; be not ye the servants of You don’t have to pay for anything! Christ paid for your sin in FULL on the cross! Please understand this. Nothing more has to be done, that’s why He cried IT IS FINISHED!! Heb 10:12 But this man,… Read more »

John Bohler
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John Bohler

He has paid the price for admission, but when we die our souls are still to IMPURE and can not see God in his full glory! Catechism: 1030 All who die in God’s grace and friendship, but still imperfectly purified, are indeed assured of their eternal salvation; but after death they undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven. ” 1031 The Church gives the name Purgatory to this final purification of the elect, which is entirely different from the punishment of the damned. The Church formulated her doctrine of faith on Purgatory especially at the Councils of Florence and Trent. The tradition of the Church, by reference to certain texts of Scripture, speaks of a cleansing fire: “As for certain lesser faults, we must believe that, before the Final Judgment, there is a purifying fire. He who is truth says that whoever… Read more »

John3_3
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John3_3

So, you don’t believe the Bible when it says that Jesus paid the penalty for ALL our sins? You quote a lot of man made doctrine, which the Bible warns us about, but you don’t answer the scripture that I share. I have quoted scripture that 100% disputes the catholic teachings, but you seem to ignore that. God’s Word is the final authority. The Bible is given to us from God, not man. We are told to not follow doctrine of men and their traditions. I have shared that scripture with you, but you seem to ignore it and quote more man made doctrine.

Thanks for the discussion and I hope you and your family have a blessed Christmas season!

John Bohler
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John Bohler

i was just quoting what we Catholics teach in the first part, the rest is how the bible confirms it, lol. (also there is that little passage “I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”(~ Matthew 18:18) i think…?) Yes the bible tells us He has paid the price for ALL our sins. but it is still up to US whether or not we accept or decline His saving Grace. After baptism we are wiped clean of all punishment due to sin, temporal and spiritual by the Grace of Christ’s death on the cross. However sin against God afterwards (A.K.A. willful rejection of Grace) leaves a mark (if it isn’t mortal) and has to be cleaned, for “nothing unclean will enter [Heaven], nor anyone who does abominable things or tells lies,” (~Revelation… Read more »

John3_3
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By your own admission, Jesus paid for all sins. 1 John 1:7 tells us that Jesus’ blood CLEANSES us from ALL sin. That being true, why would one have to go to a place called purgatory when Jesus’ blood cleanses us from all sin? Rev 21:27 is talking about eternal Hell, not a place called purgatory. If one has not been clenseed by the blood of Christ (born again) they will be cast into a lake of fire at the Great White Throne Juadgement.

Hebrews (I shared last night) says He died ONCE for ALL.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Rev 21 is talking about how no one who is unclean can enter. “This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live out the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, PURIFIES us from all sin. “If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. IF WE CONFESS OUR SINS, he is faithful and just and WILL forgive us our sins and PURIFY us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word is not… Read more »

Cheryl Fallon
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No, you just believe that somehow the early Christians got it all wrong for 1500 years and then Martin Luther came along and saved the day! Do you really abide but Martin Luther’s beliefs and teachings- I would say not-his love for Mary the Mother of God-his dislike of the Jews-his belief and practice of the Holy Eucharist? Martin Luther was all over the place yet upon his “revelations” the Protestants built “their faith”….it would be far better for you to go back and study church history as taught by the apostles and those that followed them-the early church fathers!

John3_3
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John3_3

I never said anything about Martin Luther. Not sure where you came up with that stuff. I’m quoting Jesus not man.

PhillyCon
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PhillyCon

Very good point about the early Christians.

KenInMontana
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KenInMontana

Ilicet

Non Nobis, Domine, Non Nobis, Sed Nomini Tuo Da Glorium

bjohnson55
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bjohnson55

The Pope is nothing more than a tool being used to bring about a One World Religion along with a One World Government all to use a One World Currency to be used in the One World Economy. He is a tool…

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Now look what you’ve done RS, this page is now at war between Catholics and protestants all because the pope (whose infallibility is spiritual not temporal like SOME protestants claim) said he hopes peace in a war torn land happens soon -_-

John Bohler
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John Bohler

And for the record, he HAS recognize the dangers of Islam, but as the spiritual head of the World he can’t just say “Nuke the ME” (like i’d do “whistles”) but has to go about dealing with Islam using diplomatic means.

The Pope no longer has temporal power to command Europe to face Islam anymore, it’d be best if everyone here recognize it.

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/9/12/123426.shtml

las1
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las1

Well you are certainly correct in one sense. Catholics expect Christians to roll over and accept Catholic claims as legitimate and Biblical. And that is something that orthodox Christians can never do. So every time a Catholic comes here and makes a claim that the Catholic church is the one true church, and that The Pope’s ex cathedra rulings are infallible, don’t expect other orthodox Christians to buy in and expect to be contradicted.

The Pope can express “hope for peace” all he wants. His words are irrelevant. His actions of giving succor and affirmation to the bogus claims of Palestinians is dangerous and flies in the face of Biblical truths.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Las1, how many national conservatives are calling for a one state solution or saying that they hope peace doesn’t come soon? If you can’t expect CONSERVATIVES to demand a one state solution, how can you expect the Pope, who does have to outreach to the Muslim world for conversion, to do so?

las1
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las1

Oh I would definitely agree with you somewhat there on that statement. What we should expect from conservatives is what Allen West, for example, says. He says Israel belongs to Israel, and the so-called Palestinians have a homeland already… it’s called Jordan. Newt Gingrich says exactly the same thing. It would be wonderful if “conservatives” stood for the same truth… but sadly they bought into the “two-state” falsehood which officially began under G.W. Bush… to America’s great shame. What we should not expect is the Pope to compromise scriptural integrity for the land of Israel to appease Islam. He is a Christian spiritual leader pure and simple. His word means something especially regarding Israel. But Islam hates us period! Catholics, Protestants, Jews, even themselves. There is NOTHING the Pope could say to gain their approval. Every demand of Islam is a platform from which to launch new demands. The Pope… Read more »

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Well one can argue that it is the CATHOLIC CHURCH, that has taking up the title of the new “Israel” in the bible (as in God’s chosen people) but how does he go against scripture? What do you expect him to do? Call for the extermination of the Palestinians from Israel? I expect the Pope or any christian leader to deal with Israel just as we would any other solvent nation. Also i would like to point to a certain passage…: “However, no one knows the day or hour when these things will happen, not even the angels in heaven or the Son himself. Only the Father knows.” ~Matthew 24:36 If even JESUS doesn’t know the hour, how can you expect that the answer of when the end times happen, to be in a book? To an extension, how do we know that this Israel is THE Israel from the… Read more »

las1
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las1

Who’s asking for extermination? That’s a straw man. The issue of “the last day” isn’t in question in this discussion. But Catholic replacement theology is in question here. The Promise was made to Israel outside of the Law… 430 years before the law. God’s Promise to Abraham still stands despite Israel’s breaking of the Covenant. The promise was made to Abraham in response to his faith. God can’t lie. He will fulfill his promise. See Gal 3:18 For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. I have no issue with the Pope in terms of him being the the head of the RCC. In that capacity, it is inconceivable that he would league himself and his church to a political stance which would lead to the destruction of the Jewish… Read more »

nexxe
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nexxe

The Pope is a biblical man. He knows that the Old Covenant doesn’t apply to the Jews anymore, since they were supposed to accept Christ with the New Covenant. So assuming that the Pope doesn’t know his biblical knowledge is ridiculous.
Now why is it important that the Old Covenant doesn’t apply anymore? Because in the Old, they were promised their land, but it’s no longer their land because of the New.

las1
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las1

You’ve got a lot of wrong doctrine to sift through there chum.

nexxe
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nexxe

Not according to St. Paul. He debated this very thing with the jews. They refused the new doctrines of Jesus and failed to interpret his teachings, and instead, they wanted to interpret the Old Testament. Read it St. Paul’s epistles. It’s all there.

las1
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las1

Of course the Jews refused Paul’s teaching… because they rejected Messiah. But while the old Covenant law was fulfilled and completed in Jesus’ atoning sacrifice, God’s promises to his people were not nullified. Therein lies the deficiency in your theology. Romans 11:1-2 ” I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not!… God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew.” Yes the age of grace has arrived, and Jesus died once for all sins and the sacrificial system has ceased, but the promises of land still apply and the Church has NOT replaced physical Israel. And your statement, “Because in the Old, they were promised their land, but it’s no longer their land because of the New. is flat out wrong. Start with Joel 3:2 “I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against… Read more »

nexxe
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nexxe

You’re quoting scripture from the Old Testament. Please show me in the New Testament where modern-day Israelis are promised their land.

las1
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las1

That’s a horribly unthinking question. Until you are able to understand that all scripture, both Old and New Testament are intertwined with exegetical application for end days prophecy and it’s application to Israel, then there is very little to discuss. And by the way that question is as foolish as those who advocate homosexuality because Jesus himself in the Gospels didn’t specifically sanction against it.

Frankly… you just have to do better than that to be taken seriously.

Watchman74
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Are you saying they are no longer promised the land? That is replacement theology. The covenant God made with Abraham and his descendants was an unconditional everlasting covenant.

LiveFreeOrDieTryin
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LiveFreeOrDieTryin

BULL
I’ll have to look that one up.
Matter of fact let me send this claim to a priest friend of mine.

BayouCoyote
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BayouCoyote

Let me know what he says but here’s something to watch during the meantime:

http://www.churchmilitant.tv/daily/?today=2012-12-17

All the best.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Oh these guys are AWESOME

BabyMal
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BabyMal

For all of you people who have been decrying how the Pope is a lefty really don’t understand the Church, and you are REALLY clueless as to what the Holy Father believes. First of all, yes, Ratzinger was a member of the Hitler Youth because it was mandatory back then. He was then conscripted when he was older into the ranks (an anti-aircraft artillery unit, I believe) but he deserted as soon as he was able. He was captured by Americans and freed after the war where he went into seminary, and made alliances with several anti-communist Church leaders, including a prominent Polish Cardinal. Since becoming Pope, Ratzinger has been trying to purge the Church of heretics, secularists, and has appointed those who are of like mind into offices of bishop and cardinals. He has allowed for the Tridentine Mass to be openly practiced, he has brought back the Anglicans… Read more »

nexxe
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nexxe

Finally someone who gets it. smile

PK
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PK

A very sad commentary, indeed, about a man who is one of the most highly intelligent and gifted scholars of theology alive today, and among one of the best the Church has ever produced. It calls into question not of his knowledge, or his gifted scholars of theology, but his discernment (or lack thereof) of the spririt of anti-Christ who seeks to destroy the nation of Isreal, God’s covenant people.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

all he said was that he hopes that peace in the Israel happens soon -_-

PK
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PK

Is the pope oblivious of the fact that the Palestinian, P.L.O.’s original Charter called for the destruction of the State of Israel? FATEH’s constitution, Article 19, it still calls for the destruction of Israel.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Doesn’t take from the fact that all he said was that hopefully peace comes soon.

PK
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PK

Just like the old time, false hope of peace, peace, peace when there is no peace. Can you honestly believe that there`ll be peace of mutual co-existence between the two states, when one state is determined to destroy the other and refuses to denounce their constitution which call for the destruction of Israel?

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Of course not, but what else is the Pope suppose to call for or any conservative for that matter. The only way a one state solution will happen is if Israel just takes over Gaza and the west bank and do some massive deportations. If that ever happens all i hope the US doesn’t stand in its way and prevent the world from going to war with Israel.

PK
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PK

Quite the other way around, my friend. Land-for-peace is no solution either, though in 2000, Bill Clinton convened a Camp-David peace summit between Palestinian President Yasser Arafat and Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak. The Israeli PM Ehud Barak offered the Palestinian leader approximately 95% of the West Bank and the entire Gaza Strip. We all know what`s the result? The Arafat rejected the offer and infatida uprising ensued.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

I KNOW ALL THAT! I”M personally in favor of the one state solution. i’m EXPLAINING why it’s unfair to expect the spiritual leader of the world to take sides in a conflict in place of hoping for peace!

PK
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PK

I understand your view point completely. John Paul II, the spiritual leader of Catholic Church, a man of peace, stood with Ronald Reagan for truth against the tyrany of Soviet communism. The Pope helped ordinary Poles and East Europeans banished their fear of Soviet Communism, convincing them that liberation was possible. Ronald Reagan, Pope John Paul II and PM Thacher changed the cause of history and the defeat Soviet communism without firing a shot. A true spiritual dares to stand for the truth, not just political appeasement for the sake UN politics and false peace.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

i agree, but in a case like this, what action can the current Pope take in regards to the situation in Israel? If it’s so obvious, YOU tell ME. The truth being fought over here is temporal, not spiritual.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

And this Pope HAS been taking a stand for Truth, by God he has, he has been waging war against the Leftists INSIDE the Church ruthlessly, has taken HUGE leaps in unifying the Christian world again, Anglicans, Lutherans, and possibly the SSPX (Society of St. Pius Z) back into ONE church with greater unity than at any time for a thousand years with the Eastern Orthodox Churches, (and for it has won the title “The Pope of Christian Unity”) and has stood solid against Social evils like Abortion and Gay Marriage. So excuse him if he doesn’t try to aggravate the Muslim world in an act that most likely would do more harm than good.

PK
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PK

I agree with you, to the credits of the pope standing for the truth, good works and Biblical moral principles against social decay and evil. Certainly appropriate in his role to wish and pray for the world peace. Just find it a bit strange that the Pope praises new UN status for Palestinians which seemed to render credence to the Palestinian`s statehood whose sole purpose is for the destruction of Israel, not mutual peace.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Maybe he just doesn’t see it? His authority is Spiritual, not temporal, and he has to tend to the spiritual well being of over 1 billion people. razz

Conniption Fitz
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Conniption Fitz

The Catholic Church (as well as the Episcopal church and some other mainline Protestant groups) errs in regard to Islam. They are as blind to Islam’s atrocities and human rights violations as the liberals and the UN.

The Catechism (CCC#841) claims Islam is a path to salvation. Wrong.

Islam has denied the deity of Christ, has no theology of salvation through Jesus Christ’s substitutionary sacrifice. Islam demotes Jesus to minor prophet and places Mohammed above Jesus. (Mormonism errs in a similar fashion). There is no forgiveness and redemption in Islam…just punishment.

The fruit of Islam is the opposite of the Fruit of the Holy Spirit.

Islam produces tyranny, injustice, misogyny, violence, racism, aggression, rape, hatred, aggression, bondage, anger, conflict, death.

The Fruit of the Holy Spirit is Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Gentleness, Humility/meekness, Self-control. Plus, Hope, Faith, Freedom, Forgiveness, Redemption, a changed heart, new life.

las1
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las1

Oh my goodness… I just looked it up… it does say that. And Muslims in the first place no less. And it’s ex cathedra… and infallible. More evidence for questioning Catholics.

841 “The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

Do you believe that Jewish people and Christians worship the same God?

las1
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las1

Yes… but the real question is do they worship Him in Spirit and in Truth. John 4:24

In John 4, Jesus corrects the Samaritan woman in verse 22 saying that she worships what she does not know. He didn’t say she worshiped another God. It was her lack of knowledge with God’s true attributes that was the issue. The same applies to Jews today.

TruLevinian
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TruLevinian

As a Catholic convert, and someone who knows the faith pretty well, I don’t know what the Pope is thinking. But, let me go one step further… So many Catholics and others are walking around in the friggin’ clouds acting as though ecumenical ideas and efforts are the answer. Jesus said to love. Ok! But loving someone who has a knife to your throat isn’t realistic. I know what the saints did, but most of us aren’t saints. They’re the enemy and should be treated as such.

las1
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las1

To throw away the freedoms that God gave us, the rights He gave us, and to throw away the protections of living in albeit post-Christian societies is a slap to the face of our loving Saviour.

In the same way, bearing our throats to Muslim savages and calling it Christian charity is a perversion of the Gospel. It’s not Christian… it is telling Jesus that we don’t care about the freedoms He gave us through the groanings of the history of Judeo-Christian Western Civilization, and further it’s telling him we couldn’t care less about the freedom and security that we are expected to pass on to our children.

So in short, the mealy mouthed language of the Pope and liberal Christians lines up with the previous statement I just made.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

The Papacy no longer has temporal power to command Europe to face Islam anymore, his power is merely the spiritual. It’d be best if everyone here recognize it.

Watchman74
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Watchman74

Naivety considering the P.A. only want a state so they can take Israel to the International Criminal Court. The misnamed Palestinians are not fit for a state until they recognize Israel and agree to live in peaceful coexistence.

las1
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las1

To paraphrase Newt Gingrich in one word: Fakestinians.

brendawatkins
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brendawatkins

The Palestinians have a state, it’s called Jordan. A greedy bunch, that’s what the Palestinians are. And what so many people don’t seem to understand is, they DON’T want PEACE.. They want the JEWISH nation DEAD…. FOREVER!

Debby
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Debby

And therein lies the problem with getting people back into the church pews.

Booker T.
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Booker T.

Pope should have take no position. Sheesh.

Conniption Fitz
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Conniption Fitz

He’s being ‘political’… Politically Correct.

Bad move.

He had better not start catering to the left or he will have to have openly gay, transgender, lesbian, married and women priests as well as fund abortion and contraception, allow same sex unions, pedophilia and polygamy.

Many Catholic priests have gone ahead with many of these things, however…despite church canons to the contrary.

las1
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las1

Just be grateful he didn’t get more specific and pronounce his views ex cathedra.

John Bohler
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John Bohler
Alex
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Alex

Look at this thread title. Just because you’re against gay marriage doesn’t make you a conservative, much less an ultra-conservative. His liberal positions outweigh that by far.
He’s pro-Palestine, anti-death penalty, and possibly pro-social justice and pro-illegal immigration.

John Bohler
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John Bohler

Social justice liberal? “holds in laugh” Sorry to tell you, but the Pope recently gave the liberal social Justice crowd a smack down for the history books lol. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERbgGua6vjc

Alex
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Alex

He’s aiding Palestine by giving them quarter and supporting plans against Israel. This UN treaty is meant to marginalize Israel and would make Jimmy Carter proud.

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

Many is a pretty broad brush do you have facts and figures to back up your comment?

las1
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las1

Let’s see where the Lord stands on this dividing of Israel into The Zionist Entityand a Palestinian state.

“I will gather all nations and bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat. There I will enter into judgment against them concerning my inheritance, my people Israel, for they scattered my people among the nations and divided up my land. Joel 3:2

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

The pope is dancing with the devil.Normal for the Catholic church,unfortunately.

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

You don’t know what the Catholic Church says or teaches you are just repeating what Protestants say about it!

911Infidel
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911Infidel

Apparently the Pope doesn’t read the Bible much . But if he decides to educate himself at some point, he might want to start his readings at Joel 3. Dividing up the land of Israel does not make God real happy.

Spartan
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Spartan

I have always believed that their is a very distinct difference between European Christianity and American Christianity. And the difference is that sacred parchment called the Constitution. Period. No other country has it. None. They either want it or want to destroy it. And right now, we are on the road to destruction of it. Pure and simple. So call me whatever you will. But I’m a Constitutional Conservative clinging to God, Faith and my Guns!!!! It’s the last vestige of this great nation. It sits at the core of who we are. I will never go down without a fight. And a fight it will be!! I don’t bow to any one man. I won’t sit down. And I won’t shut up! Four years we put up with this crap from both sides. And I refuse to let them win it all the next four!! This is ridiculous. Individually… Read more »

Carmen P
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Carmen P

After this election, I, as a Roman Catholic, completely gave up on the Church (Rome). There should not have been one – NOT ONE!!! – Catholic vote for Obama given what he’s trying to do to religious freedom – particularly the Catholic church, yet he still managed to get over 60% of the Catholic vote. The Church has been in bed with the left for decades. My mother went to Catholic school in NY for 1-12, and she particularly recalls that in high school, nearly every single one of her teacher-nuns was a leftist. The Church has embraced left-wing propaganda like amnesty – of course, they say it’s in the name of humanity. I believe it’s because 90% of the illegals are Catholic and the Church is counting all that money that might hit the collection plate every week. The Church is quick to lecture us about capital punishment, illegal… Read more »

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

I wish more Catholics would come to the same realization as you have.They voted for the most pro abortion president in history.What does that say about the Catholic church?

Carmen P
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Carmen P

It says that they have, unfortunately, fallen victim to the same brain disease as most American Jews. Liberalism is their religion, and Jewish/Catholic is just some “other” label.

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

Sad.:(

LiveFreeOrDieTryin
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LiveFreeOrDieTryin

What does that say about the Catholic church?
Nothing!

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

Bull.Hypocrites.Following their political ideology rather than their Christian values.Prove me wrong.

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

Most of America calls itself Christian yet we allow mothers to kill their unborn babies-now what does that say about Christians and America?

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

The battle continues.The evil is in the government.

mark1955
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mark1955

n

sjmom
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sjmom

There are so many of us Carmen. We need to pray.

LiveFreeOrDieTryin
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LiveFreeOrDieTryin

carmen Christ has not left you, and salvation is still there for you.
I know you angry , so am I .
You must understand whats happening to the church. Its an organized attack on the bride of Christ by progz. (those voters were NOT catholic in their hearts their religion is progressivism they use the church to advance their agenda)

social justice started with the church , the progz hijacked the word . It doesnt mean what you think. U can find out the real meaning if you look around on some trad cath sites

Haywoodjbl
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Haywoodjbl

My question is this…..Is the Pope still a Catholic?

sjmom
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sjmom

Good question; mine is do I still want to be a Catholic?

Rocco11
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Rocco11

As if it wasn’t bad enough knowing our Sunday offerings were being used to pay lawyers/settlements in the countless altar boy abuse cases…

LiveFreeOrDieTryin
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LiveFreeOrDieTryin

Yes you do.
Christ would never leave you , dont leave him. Say the Apostles Creed, you’ll feel better.

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

Or go to Mass and enjoy what Christ has given us through the sacrament of the Holy Eucharist!

mark1955
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mark1955

Also Raised a Roman Catholic, no longer attend Church but i do pray to Christ. Have come to believe that most Christian Church’s of all faith’s ,have become infested with marxist and pedophiles by design,to undermine Christianity from the inside. Much as i believe at least 95% of the dems and repubs ( Even though some repubs pretend to be Conservative ) have been undermined by design and with a clear purpose by marxism and pedophillia to destroy it from the inside. You can see that very clearly now, as the repubs lead by Boehner ( And really the Bush crime family above that ) are caving more openly and brazenly on everything with less and less pretense. Same with Catholicism and organized Religion in general.

ernst1776
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ernst1776

He is German, right?

sjmom
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sjmom

It doesn’t matter; he’s left wing. The Church has made a wrong Left turn.

Rocco11
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Rocco11

Great, now I’m a man without a political party, and a religion. lol

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Let Jesus be your religion Rocco. smile He’s a relationship anyway, not a religion.

nibblesyble
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nibblesyble

Exactly!

Rocco11
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Rocco11

I was raised Catholic, but I’ve never been happy with the cozy relationship of the Church with the Left..

nibblesyble
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nibblesyble

It’s the whole social justice thing eh? I read that it is the same thing with the Democratic Jewish people as well.

TitaniumEagle
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TitaniumEagle

Resounding yes on that front…time and time again I see my family and friends vote against Israel’s interests.

American Duckie
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American Duckie

I was raised Episcopalian yikes. Left it long ago.

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

Correctomundo!

American Duckie
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American Duckie

lol. Roger that. smile

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

wink

sjmom
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sjmom

You and me, Rocco..

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

That’s okay.The only Father you need is your Heavenly Father.

serfer62
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serfer62

Now this after 56% of catholics voted for Obummer?

I’m no longer a catholic, just a Christian

LiveFreeOrDieTryin
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LiveFreeOrDieTryin

serfer , stay with the church plz.
those caths are not true caths they are progressives who have taken over parts of the church. We need fighters to help us fight back.

Defend Her

John Bohler
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John Bohler

actually only 25 percent of Catholics actually go to mass every sunday, and Romney won those in a landside.

The 75% who don’t go to mass aren’t real catholics in the first place -_-

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

And you never met hypocrites in Protestant churches?

mark1955
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mark1955

Hang tough! It was voter Fraud. There is no way these numbers even come close to making any sense. The turnout in rally’s for even a stiff like MITTEN’S and all the other pre-election indicators had MITTEN’S winning in a landslide yet Obama somehow puleed it off. Yep,it must have been his response to “Super Storm Sandy”. sarc. The Establishment of both parties would like us to believe that the tied has turned and we are no longer a majority of American’s. They are doing that inorder to depress and dispirit us to make it easier to enslave us and it’s all HOGWASH! We are still the vast Majority,believe that, not only because it’s important for morale purposes, but because it also happen’s to be true! All you have to do to realize that is to look at the continuing record Breaking Firearms sales and then realize there are atleast… Read more »

American Duckie
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American Duckie

This is not surprising, but it is disturbing. The Catholic leaders ought to know there will never be true peace between muslims and Israel.
Marching to the one world religion… the luke warm, “coexisting” Liodecian church.

57thunderbird
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57thunderbird

Islam is the anti-Christ

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Yes.

mediaaccess1
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mediaaccess1

By following the Bible, the history of the Catholic church, and even better – the history of this pope, one can seemingly conclude that Catholism is not a divine organization that a Christian God would approve. Even this Pope’s history of rearranging pedophiles, ..Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth—as membership was required by law for all 14-year-old German boys after December 1939[10]—but was an unenthusiastic member who refused to attend meetings, according to his brother…Ratzinger then trained in the German infantry… – nothing more than a coward and an opportunist …The Bible says not to judge others, that God shall do that, but many of them also overwhelming supported Obama, thus the killing of innocent babies, socialized (communistized) the health system, and the destruction of the USA, and on and on: (Reuters) – Post-election polling shows U.S. Roman Catholics were as likely to… Read more »

sjmom
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sjmom

Not this Catholic who has voted Republican even when they have put forth a RINO.

LiveFreeOrDieTryin
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LiveFreeOrDieTryin

the catholic church is not the largest relegious group in the US, Protest are

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

Yep!

mediaaccess1
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mediaaccess1

Yep. I now live in Hungary and tell my students that they can vote for the US president. They don’t believe me, but I make it clear that I’m not joking. Even their 5 children (which they don’t have) can vote. The whole thing is a joke. I grew up in a Catholic family, but I do now staunch Catholics who voted for him. The Jews, of all people who have lived through the Holocaust – adult and children body count – vote for Obama, who hates Israel, but loves the yearly Holocaust we call abortion, even supports post birth abortions – voted for him, his “Culture of Corruption”, the gun running through Mexican cartels, the supplying Al Queda and other like-minded groups. This Pope, leader of the Catholic denomination – he’s a pathetic sight, but Catholics usually “go with the flow”. Lots of protestants also voted for this baboon.… Read more »

mark1955
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mark1955

Massive voter Fraud got Obama elected. The number’s don’t even begin to make sense. We are still in the vast majority.

Howzah123
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Howzah123

The Catholic Church has been extremely left wing for years

Reject Vatican II

StrangernFiction
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StrangernFiction

It certainly isn’t right wing.

Cheryl Fallon
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Cheryl Fallon

Being right wing won’t save your soul!

Rshill7
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Rshill7

Palestinians do not want their own state. They want Israel’s state, including Jerusalem. They also want the Jews dead. So does Allah. So does Mohammed. So do all of Islam’s true subjects. All others are “hypocrites”. Death to Jews is part of their “religion”. Deal with it. It’s what is known as the truth.

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Sorry Scoop- Don’t mean to post this because it’s not an O/T, but wanted to let everyone know, Special Ops OPSEC has a form to write in your questions on Benghazi for the Congressional hearings this Thursday!! Send in your questions!! http://opsecteam.org/benghazi.html

Janson Smithers
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Janson Smithers

As important as that issue is to this entire nation, thank you for posting it, even if it is off topic.

American Duckie
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American Duckie

Thank you!!

whitewolf2009
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whitewolf2009

This statement gives all us Catholics pause to think… Not knee jerk react…

Brian Skinner
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Brian Skinner

given the catholic church’s history with Jews this is not good.

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